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Germany: HIV infections rise among gays
FAZ ^ | 07/09/04 | Peter-Philipp Schmitt

Posted on 07/09/2004 7:15:36 AM PDT by Pikamax

HIV infections rise among gays More and more young homosexuals forget about the risks of AIDS

By Peter-Philipp Schmitt Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung

The test had been long overdue. But Tim decided to have it done once he realized that he had another problem anyway. “I only went because I had contracted syphilis,“ he says. The results were not the news Tim wanted to hear: He had HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Around Germany, increasing numbers of young German homosexuals like Tim are learning that they, too, are carrying around the deadly virus. While the number of new infections has remained stable during the past few years in Germany, at around 2,000 per year, the total has risen among young gay men, especially those living in large cities. In Munich, the number of positive AIDS tests more than doubled from 17 to 38 in a short period of time.

The shift is occurring at a time when public efforts aimed at blunting the spread of the disease are seeing their funds cut, interest in their work drop and a generation gap evolve between today's uninhibited gays and yesterday's gay crusaders. Tim's story offers some insights into the shifts sweeping through the homosexual community. And one of these changes is a swing in attitudes toward the dangers of AIDS.

“I knew the rules,“ says Tim, a 27-year-old Frankfurt resident who asked that his name be changed for this article. “But I also have friends who have been living with AIDS for almost 20 years now.“ As a result, he says he didn't think that much about using condoms. “If I had realized that contracting HIV could mean dying within two years, I would have always used a condom,“ he says.

The first person to whom he spoke about his infection was one of his best friends who co-founded the group 20+pos. in Frankfurt, a self-help group supported by Deutsche Aids-Hilfe (DAH), a German non-governmental organization. Until he tested positive, Tim had nothing to do with the group's representatives, usually males from the gay movement in the late 1970s and early 1980s. “After all, they are from a totally different era and know little about what's going on today,“ he says.

The managing director of the DAH in Bremen says he has been watching this estrangement develop between the generations for years. Young homosexuals “often only use the gay community to get quick sex, while we, the older representatives, built it up or at least grew up in it so that we could be there for each other, to make friends,“ says the managing director, Thomas Frenkl. Instead, today's young gays like to turn to drugs and places like techno parties for their good times, he says. “They completely let down their guards,“ says the 43-year-old Frenkl.

Studies also have shown that men who have sex with men have changed the way they deal with risks - in Germany as well as in all large western European and American cities. The epidemic spread of syphilis and the sharp increase in other sexually transmitted diseases are signs of this development. At the same time, the sale of condoms in Germany fell from 207 million in 2000 to 189 million in 2003.

In Frankfurt, the local DAH office faces another problem as well - the decrease in funding. Once founded as a gay self-help group, Germany's largest DAH office will celebrate its 20th anniversary next year. The past few years have been tough: Public funding has been cut. Most of the 100 full-time employees are working as much as before but will again have to do without a Christmas bonus in 2004.

Things used to be different. In the mid-1980s, when AIDS filled people with fear, the Federal Center for Health Education spent 50 million German marks ($31.4 million) on AIDS public-service campaigns each year. Since 1998, it has spent only EUR9 million ($11 million) a year. It doesn't come as a surprise then that only 30 percent of Germans consider AIDS to be an extremely dangerous disease. “Those who were born after 1980 only experienced the tail end of AIDS education at best,“ Tim says. Jul. 9


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gaydisease; grid; hiv; homosexual; homosexualagenda; prisoners; riskybehavior

1 posted on 07/09/2004 7:15:36 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Even in death, Ronald Reagan is terrorizing people.


2 posted on 07/09/2004 7:18:08 AM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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To: Pikamax
“After all, they are from a totally different era and know little about what's going on today,“ he says.

Unh, homosexual behavior has changed?

Part of the problem here is that these guys are stupid ~ totally stupid ~ ineducable as well. The only difference in statements made by the young homosexuals and the older ones is that the wild guys in the 1980s are ALL DEAD!

No doubt the wild guys in the 2000s will soon be as dead.

It's beyond a mental illness ~ homosexuality is clearly a case of brain damage!

3 posted on 07/09/2004 7:21:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Pikamax

Ever hear the one about the 2 gay guys who started their own machine shop? They called it Suck Tool & Die.


4 posted on 07/09/2004 7:24:04 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance ( "Stay safe in the "sandbox", cuz!)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - who or what is giving homosexuals AIDS? Could it be other homosexuals? So who is doing the killing? Who is causing the harm?

Duh.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


5 posted on 07/09/2004 7:27:22 AM PDT by little jeremiah ("You're possibly the most ignorant, belligerent, and loathesome poster on FR currently." - tdadams)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

LOL or the one about the two gay sergeants who went to have a beer and talk about their privates?


6 posted on 07/09/2004 7:36:04 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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To: Pikamax

At some point these "gays" will understand that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is not an urban legend. Unfortunately this understanding will be after they have died of the disease(s) contracted through their poor choice of behavior.


7 posted on 07/09/2004 7:37:05 AM PDT by NCjim
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To: SirLurkedalot

Or about the Irish guys Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael


8 posted on 07/09/2004 7:46:57 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance ( "Stay safe in the "sandbox", cuz!)
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While the use of condoms is helpful, I wish the govt and medical authorities would be more forthcoming about condom failures.

Condoms prevent pregnancy only 86-98% of the time when they are used correctly. And that is with the knowledge that most women only ovulate once per month with only a few days window in which they can get pregnant.

With STD's, you can contract it every single time you have sex. If the failure rate for pregnancy prevention is 86-98%, I wonder what the true failure rate for "safe" sex" is?

9 posted on 07/09/2004 7:48:51 AM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Pikamax
Dang, no Christmas bonus from public funds. And yet, the article trumped that by spiraling even further out into cluelessness.
10 posted on 07/09/2004 7:56:53 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Pikamax
Gee, where might this have been reported before? Let'see...

“In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”   –Romans 1:27, emphasis mine

Yep, knew I'd seen this story somewhere!

11 posted on 07/09/2004 8:05:51 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (Proud to be a part of the Reagan Generation. God Bless America!!)
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To: muawiyah

Then there's the bug chasers.


12 posted on 07/09/2004 8:14:10 AM PDT by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK...AND I USE IT TOO.)
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To: TNdandelion

What is a condom failure? Is that just when the thing breaks into shreads?


13 posted on 07/09/2004 8:15:59 AM PDT by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK...AND I USE IT TOO.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Then there's the Scotsmen Ben Dover and Phil MacCrevice.


14 posted on 07/09/2004 8:33:31 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: TNdandelion

The Aids virus is much smaller than the natural pores in a condom....no use at all in prevention, claims to the contrary notwithstanding.


15 posted on 07/09/2004 8:52:00 AM PDT by Banjoguy
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To: Pikamax

The drug, Trinoasitol, has proven to be very effective in stopping the spread of AIDS.


16 posted on 07/09/2004 9:29:24 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Pikamax
The past few years have been tough: Public funding has been cut. Most of the 100 full-time employees are working as much as before but will again have to do without a Christmas bonus in 2004.

Oh my, that's just awful.

17 posted on 07/09/2004 10:59:49 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: muawiyah

The fascinating thing to watch is that more and more of the public television programs are openly pro-gay and work story-lines into shows, movies, etc. Germany is already forecasted to get the first gay M-TV network. The amusing thing is that whenever AIDS is worked into shows or movies...its always a sadly-told story with a push for government funding of medicine and research. I've lived in Germany for ten years and find the situation almost a joke. Most Germans out in the rural parts of the country simply aren't buying the acceptance idea...its a surburban type thing.


18 posted on 07/09/2004 11:13:38 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Pikamax

Oh!!!. what a shock that is.


19 posted on 07/09/2004 3:09:42 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: TonyRo76

I've got a feeling the "gay" churches don't spend much time studying the Book of Romans.


20 posted on 07/10/2004 1:30:02 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

LOL


21 posted on 07/10/2004 1:31:29 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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To: SirLurkedalot

No, I think they just use a long list of show tunes instead.


22 posted on 07/10/2004 1:36:47 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

No doubt.LOL


23 posted on 07/10/2004 1:47:58 AM PDT by SirLurkedalot (God bless our Veterans!!! And God bless America!!!)
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To: SirLurkedalot
You're probably quite correct. I bet they also don't spend much time teaching on sin, repentance or judgment either :-I
24 posted on 07/10/2004 12:26:05 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (Proud to be a part of the Reagan Generation. God Bless America!!)
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To: Pikamax

Well, now here's some breaking news.


25 posted on 07/10/2004 12:28:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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