Posted on 07/11/2004 4:03:45 PM PDT by lulu21
I just wanted to make a statement regarding Kerry's views on abortion. I wanted to find out what his opinion was, so I came to this website. I found article talking about how he supposidly 'opposes' abortion. Then the same author discusses how in other statements, he has said it is the woman's right. Now, he is being criticized for having contradicting statements. I just wanted to clear this up.
His actual words in saying he opposed abortion were, "There is something called freedom of conscience in the Catholic Church. I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life begins at conception. But I don't take my Catholic beliefs, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant, on a Jew, or an atheist who doesn't share it. We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."
I don't think that people understand what he is saying. He is saying that he does NOT like abortion. He PERSONALLY doesn't want it. However, he cannot make a law against something just because his religion does not believe in it. He talks of separation of church and state. That is what we are supposed to have in America. This is why we cannot have organized prayer in schools. It is also why you cannot ban gay marriage on the account of your 'religion' being against it. I am Catholic as well. I also study medicine. I don't like abortion, either. I wish it was illegal. However, I do understand his point that he cannot make it illegal because he doesn't like it. That would be unconstitutional and totally against 'American' values. I hope everyone can understand that.
Furthermore, all important legislation is a reflection of morality. Liberals believe guns should be kept away from private citizens and they legislate accordingly.
I'd love to hear why you think abortion is particularly a matter of religion while slavery and segregation are not.
I smell ozone.
C'mon, this is such a strawman, it's a gift to us.
"There is something called freedom of conscience in the Catholic Church. I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life begins at conception. But I don't take my Catholic beliefs, my article of faith, and legislate it on a Protestant, on a Jew, or an atheist who doesn't share it. We have separation of church and state in the United States of America."
If you believe that life starts at conception, then abortion is murder. It is not a matter of opposing abortion personally and then condoning it because you don't want to legislate it for others. Besides the basic, provable, biological fact that the fetus is a living organism inside the womb, there is the moral issue which cannot be neatly separated into personal and public. Your stand, like Kerry's, is a cop out meant to take both sides of an issue. We don't buy that moral relativism here.
Most of us are sane.
If one believes that life starts at conception, one must believe that taking that life is murder. Is it only Catholics who dont believe in murder ? How can one say in good conscience that murder is ok because they dont want to press their faith on others?
Now Lulu you can make this statement that Kerry is following his conscience all you want , but the fact is Kerry is following his party in opposition to his religion.
As expert as Kerry is at BS'ing liberals by voting both ways, [he has made a career of it] he cant have this one both ways, in spite of his lying statements.
Trying to make excuses for him doesnt cut the Mustard,er ketchup, er pickles---whatever theres 57 variety's and Kerry will use them all to get elected.
Lulu, your reasoning is that of a 21 year-old. Sincere, but sincerely wrong. You cite abortion as being a "religious" matter. True, many people of faith decry the murder of innocent life because that is what it is: life. That is not a matter of "religion". It is a fact that human life begins at conception. "Choice" does not trump life.
Those who are beating the drum of gay "marriage" are attempting to redefine the most basic of all human relationships and institutions. In fact, they are forcing their own personal view on every American. Does that not sound a bit like this is their version of "religion"? It does to me.
2. Christian morality is NOT a matter of liking or not liking. It is a matter of what is right and wrong. Abortion CAN be made illegal because it is, even by Mr. Kerry's standard, the taking of an innocent human life. It is wrong.
Separation of church and state has absolutely nothing to do with outlawing abortion. Even some atheists have come to the conclusion that it is immoral and should be made illegal.
There is NO world religion that says that abortion is always acceptable.
Kerry has, in the recent past, not only said that he won't make abortion illegal, he has intimated that he will adopt the agenda of radical feminists and make certain that more abortions take place.
From a speech that Kerry made to the anti-life group NARAL in January 2003:
Notice how Kerry did not mention his "personal" stance. Think it was just an unfortunate omission? I suspect that you are a troll, lulu, but if you are not, and survive your first post here, I would appreciate your reaction to this Kerry speech, and whether or not saying that he opposes abortion personally jibes with these quotes.
As I said 18 years ago in my maiden speech in the U.S. Senate: "the right to choose is a fundamental right . . . neither the Government nor any person has the right to infringe on that freedom." If I get to share a stage with this President and debate him . . . one of the first things I'll tell him is: "There's a defining issue between us. I trust women to make their own decisions. You don't. And that's the difference." So it's time we said to this President: "we're not going to let you turn back the clock."No overturning Roe v. Wade
No packing of the courts with judges hostile to choice
No denial of choice to poor women
No outlawing of a procedure necessary to save a woman's life or physical health
No more cutbacks on population control efforts around the world
John Kerry believes in John Kerry. For him, everything else is negotiable.
If you claim that you do, then you have been blinded to evil. How sad.
Accept whatever rationalizations you wish to. Kerry is representative of the culture of death.
The silence of LULU tells me that she was a drive by troll.
However, the discussion is great.
Kerry is the perfect example of an amoral person. He says like me because I believe life begins at conception and abortion is wrong. However, if you disagree with me, you can kill that life and it does not affect me and you can still like me.
Leaders take positions and live by and defend those positions. If you believe ife begins at conception, the purposeful taking of that life after conception is murder. There is only black and white, there is no gray area.
It's starting to reek of troll.
To be against the killing of babies and then prostitute your morality in order to gain political power is reprehensible.
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