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Early (Ancient) Hair Sample Raises Questions
Indian Country ^ | 726-2000

Posted on 07/14/2004 8:21:37 PM PDT by blam

Early hair sample raises questions

Posted: July 26, 2000 - 12:00am EST

WOODBURN, Ore. (AP) - Under a small Woodburn city park may lie the answer to who are the earliest Oregonians yet discovered.

Scientists have found an ancient strand of hair in Woodburn's Front Street Park - a human hair that may have been left behind before modern American Indians settled in North America a few thousand years ago.

The hair, found in a core sample during a June 1999 dig, could be one of the oldest found in the Western United States, said Alison Stenger, director of the Institute for Archaeological Studies.

"We came out with a dirt clod and inside the dirt clod was a human hair 14 inches long," she said. "It was so old there was no pigment."

While scientists have yet to determine its age, the layer of soil it was in dates back 11,000 to 12,000 years.

The soil beneath the park is part of an ancient buried wetland, one of three being studied by Stenger and scientists from the University of Oregon and Oregon State University. The other sites are Mammoth Park, adjacent to Woodburn High School, and Legion Park, near Highway 214.

The hair raises the question of just who peopled North America first.

Some scientists are beginning to believe the first people may not have genetically resembled American Indians.

"I'm absolutely convinced that there were multiple populations here and the hair represents one of those populations," Stenger said. Those populations could have been here long before modern American Indians appeared, she said.

Given current theories that all humans migrated from elsewhere, the term "Native American" could be an oxymoron, said Cleone Hawkinson, a physical anthropologist with Friends of America's Past.

And the fact that a population lived in the New World once doesn't mean their descendants exist today. "The hardest thing for people to understand is how long ago this was. There was a high probability that groups would die out," she said.

Within weeks, scientists will know whether the hair is related to modern Native American gene types, said Lori Baker, doctoral student in anthropology who specializes in ancient DNA testing.

"There are five founding haplotypes among Native Americans. A haplotype is a type of DNA pattern," she said. "What I'm doing now is trying to determine if this hair has any of those (patterns)."

There a chance, however, the hair could have come from a lost civilization - off the DNA map. "It could be that we had other people in the Americas that weren't related to modern Native Americans at all," Baker said.

Because she has to essentially destroy the hair to extract its DNA, she has to be selective about how many - and which - DNA patterns she can test for. "What I'll do first is compare them to ones most likely - ancient Asian haplotypes," she said.

Scientists have long known Woodburn may hold treasures of the past. In the 1950s, a scientist by the name of E.J. Packard began to recognize the Mill Creek flood plain near Woodburn High School as a paleontological gold mine because of the buried network of ancient wetlands. The anaerobic bog has a neutral acidity level, which preserves otherwise perishable remains such as strands of human hair, Stenger said.

But the site remained untouched until 1987, when a utility trench uncovered scores of bones from animals that lived thousands of years ago - bones of sloth, mammoth, horse, bear, giant bison and dire wolf from thousands of years ago.

Scientists believe the Woodburn area may have among the best preserved ancient layers of soil in the Pacific Northwest.


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To: blam
Kennewick Man's DNA points to the Ainu in Japan in origin

Ainu it, Ai just nu it.

21 posted on 07/14/2004 9:30:53 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: blam
an ancient buried wetland

Corps of Engineers might be interested in who filled these wetlands if it was done without a permit 12k years ago.

22 posted on 07/14/2004 9:34:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Coyoteman
"Last I heard, they were unable to obtain any DNA from Kennewick Man. Maybe with the new studies they will. Would be interesting to compare with Arlington Springs Woman, but so far they have no DNA there either."

I expect Arlington Springs Woman, Kennewick Man, Spirit Cave Man and Buhl Woman are all from a common group.

What do you make of the 8,000 year old bog mummies (Windover) found in Florida? Last I saw was a TV special covering the discovery and some PhD said the DNA indicated they were Europeans. (Whatever European means?)

23 posted on 07/14/2004 9:39:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I didn't mean to indicate that the skull was destroyed, only the site.

A Canadian friend taped some CBC tapes which had a very good pro and con discussion about examining the skull, and IMHO, the pros came out miles ahead. The antis used mostly emotional arguments (where have we heard that before?).

I was glad to see the jufges decision. There's a lot of evidence that indicates someone other than Indians were here a long time ago and it ticks me off when this kind of history is hidden/destroyed for Political Correctness.


24 posted on 07/15/2004 8:16:46 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: Bernard Marx

We have some DNA results.


25 posted on 07/15/2004 8:30:38 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Maybe if they keep digging they'll find a casino.


26 posted on 07/15/2004 8:37:43 AM PDT by Nick Danger (spammersharvestthis@127.0.0.1)
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To: blam

Interesting how little publicity the finding generated -- NOT!! Thanks for the update. Political Correctness will do us all in.


27 posted on 07/15/2004 9:20:03 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Is Karl Marx's grave a Communist plot?)
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"Interesting how little publicity the finding generated.

I'm suprised the Sasquash ("Big Foot") folks didn't jump on this. There's their proof that something 'strange' was trekking around Oregon.

28 posted on 07/15/2004 9:28:42 AM PDT by blam
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Thanks Blam, another older topic that never made it in.
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29 posted on 10/05/2004 11:10:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam
I'm suprised the Sasquash ("Big Foot") folks didn't jump on this. There's their proof that something 'strange' was trekking around Oregon.

I was thinking the same thing. Hair from a Gigantopithecus ought to be fairly similar to our own.

-ccm

30 posted on 06/15/2005 11:45:14 PM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: ccmay

Is there a local contact in Woodburn about this site? I'm sure like to see the place, I'm nearby in Molalla.

My email is leeper@molalla.net


31 posted on 09/04/2005 10:45:05 AM PDT by Jarhead1
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Consider yourself spanked!

OK, it was funny but older than dirt. :)

32 posted on 09/04/2005 10:46:49 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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33 posted on 01/20/2006 9:22:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: blam

The one that really blows the mind is the Bat Creek stone found in Tennessee. This one is quietly ignored, even though the ramifications are huge.

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html


34 posted on 01/20/2006 9:49:03 AM PST by frgoff
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To: Rennes Templar
Don't know but there is other research that has been supressed by orthodox archeology that show there were ancient civilizations on the continent up to a half-million years ago.

You're aware that there is no evidence of homo sapiens prior to 200,000 years ago and that the oldest evidence of any civilization anywhere only goes back about 10,000 years?

I don't suppose you have a link???

35 posted on 01/20/2006 9:58:00 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/


36 posted on 01/20/2006 10:14:12 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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