Posted on 07/16/2004 3:40:56 PM PDT by Willie Green
The convoluted legal fight for Kennewick Man's bones -- the remains found along the Columbia River almost eight years ago that make up one of the oldest, most complete skeletons found in North America -- is likely over.
Four Northwest tribes seeking to bury the 9,300-year-old bones indicate they will not take their fight to the U.S. Supreme Court after losing in lower federal courts to scientists who want to study the remains. The bones now await a formal study plan by the scientists.
The U.S. Justice Department, which early on had sided with the tribes, declined Thursday to say whether it would file its own appeal to the nation's highest court by a Monday deadline. But Rob Roy Smith, a Seattle attorney representing the Colville Tribes, said he assumes the federal agency also won't continue with the case.
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This is great win for science. The tribes did not want a study of Kennewick man because he has Caucasiod features which would challenge their tradition that they were the first true native Americans.
Its about time!
This was a ridiculous debate. I'm glad it's over.
For sure!
Exactly. The real tragedy is how Bruce Babbit had the Corp of
Engineers destroy the site where the remains were found.
LOL!!!
Yeah, perhaps I should've posted it in "Breaking News"!!!
I remember reading about that. What a loss!!
"PORTLAND, ORE. -- In a stunning defeat to both scientists and five tribes in the Pacific Northwest, a federal judge has ordered the heavily disputed remains of Kennewick Man be repatriated to his true and rightful descendant: award-winning English actor Patrick Stewart."
Ping!!! The similarity between Kennewick man and a European man is the reason the tribes were so adamant about preventing the research from being done. The Kennewick man might rewrite the history of the migration to North America destroying the claims and myths of native Americans.
"This is great win for science. The tribes did not want a study of Kennewick man because he has Caucasiod features which would challenge their tradition that they were the first true native Americans."
And what would happen to the politically correct farce that gets thrust on students from elementary school to college? You know, the one that goes like this: The Americas were a pristine, Eden-like paradise and the indigenous peoples lived in harmony with nature and one-another....until the "evil" Europeans came and brought war and disease with them.
Too bad the Clinton Administration in the name of political correctnes over science decided to bulldoze the site and buried it under several tons of dirt.
I agree, who cares, he is dead anyway
You do not need Kennewick man to debunk that. There was a NOVA special about fires in the West and the commentators mentioned the natives made extensive use of fire, slash and burn farming, to dramatically alter the ecology of the US. By the time the Euros arrived North America was a much different place because of the natives.
FReegards,
FMCDH(BITS)
"Bruce Babbit had the Corp of
Engineers destroy the site where the remains were found."
If Babbit had lived in Afghanistan he would've approved of the destruction of the giant Buddhas. Can't have any pesky truth messing up our revisionist history.
Yup. Some think the Great Plains was forested until the Indians burned it so many times chasing out the animals.
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Excellent News.
The Indians didn't want this to go to the supreme court because this is a case they know they can't win and don't want that loss on the record as an example for future cases...this example will be a set-back for all the NAGRA craziness anyway.
great news for truth
Radiocarbon dating.
Heads up to blam; you were beaten out on posting this one!
Now maybe we'll finally get some mtDNA. That should be interesting!
The left is always trying to portray "aboriginal" people as so much more pristine and in tune with the natural elements...anecdotally we know from sources such as Laura Wilder in her Little House series, that the Indians left behind everything they didn't need at their encampments.
When you've got thousands of acres as far as one's eye can imagine....Slash and burn farming would simply mean moving on to the next viable piece of earth. I followed a PBS program some years ago about early tribal movements in Jordan, and how these people really were our earliest litter bugs...they'd move on to a new location whenever the old one was washed up.
Prediction:
* 23% Ainu
* --% Polynesian
* and so on...
Those of the very reasons that Clinton ordered, after campaign contributions came in, the area the bones were found buldozed.
You can't take land from someone who says they do not own it. (IOW the indians thought they ripped off the dutch)
Oh, no....Next think you'll tell me is that "THE INDIANS KILLED OFF THE BUFFALOES AND THE EAGLES!!"
You misspelled circus.
While on my RIF last year to Utah to check out a place to bring up my Blond/Blue kids where they won't be considered an "Ethnic Minority," I spoke with several Mormon Church "Elders" about this. They didn't seem that knowledgeable or interested.
I really quite surprised that the LDS are not all over this considering how the Book of Mormon portrays the B.C. North American culture mix.
Likewise, but, heck, even a blind squirrel will find an acorn every now and then.
While on my RIF last year to Utah to check out a place to bring up my Blond/Blue kids where they won't be considered an "Ethnic Minority,"
** Why's that? Brown haired people don't have cooties ya know.
Absolutely. That was criminal, in my opinion. Gave new meaning to the phrase "government cover-up."
They were working on it. When the heavily populated Siouxian nation tribes filtered out of MN & WI onto the plains in the early 1800's and got horses , it was all over.
I know, it's Bigfoot!
That's right!
They say it's human hair...do you think Big Foot is human?
"How do they know their tribe was around 9300 years ago?"
I read a good deal about this "man" when this quarrel first started. The Indians make claims based on pure myth, such as: what our traditions teach us, what our legends are, etc. (I'm paraphrasing of course, but I hope I'm getting the idea across). And the same folks who want to practically lynch people for wanting alternative theories to Darwinism taught, respect these ideas when put forth by "native americans" who certainly have no historical records going back 10,000 years. And really who does, except the Chinese maybe? I found that the most frightening aspect of the whole situation, the pure racism.
The same people who would scream bloody murder if some Bible Fundamentalist wanted to stop research on dinosaur bones were siding with American Indians who wanted to stop research on human bones. The left is a truly scary place.
As human as a few of my friends on a Friday night!
Wow ! DO you have a reference?
Nah. I read that so many years ago I can't begin to remember where.
Four Northwest tribes seeking to bury the 9,300-year-old bones indicate they will not take their fight to the U.S. Supreme Court after losing in lower federal courts to scientists who want to study the remains. The bones now await a formal study plan by the scientists."
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This is FANTASTIC news. I'm deliriously happy.
Native Americans had three powerful technologies: fire, the ability to work wood into useful objects, and the bow and arrow. To claim that people with these technologies did not or could not create major changes in natural ecosystems can be taken as Western civilization's ignorance, chauvinism, and old prejudice against primitivism--the noble but dumb savage. There is ample evidence that Native Americans greatly changed the character of the landscape with fire, and that they had major effects on the abundances of some wildlife species through their hunting
Native Americans have occupied the Southeast for more than 10,000 years, but their influence on ecosystems and species varied considerably through time (Delcourt et al. 1993). Shifting agriculture on bottomlands and alluvial terraces became dominant during the Woodland Period (3,000 to 1,200 years B.P.). The wide use of maize as a staple crop plant marked the period of maximum cultivation in the Mississippian Period (1,200 to 500 years B.P.). In this period, productive floodplains and lower river terraces were extensively cleared and large settlements were created whose influence included the harvest of wood for fuel and building materials in peripheral areas (Delcourt et al. 1993). Native American populations declined sharply after 1500 because of the spread of European diseases and displacement by European settlers.
The general lack of trees suggests that this is a land of little moisture, as indeed it is. Nearly all of the Great Plains receives less than 24 inches of rainfall a year, and most of it receives less than 16 inches. This dryness and the strength of sunshine in this area, which lies mostly between 2,000 and 6,000 feet above sea level, create the semiarid environment that typifies the Great Plains. But it was not always so. When the last continental glacier stood near its maximum extent, some 12,000-14,000 years ago, spruce forest reached southward as far as Kansas, and the Great Plains farther south was covered by deciduous forest. The trees retreated northward as the ice front receded, and the Great Plains has been a treeless grassland for the last 8,000-10,000 years.
Thanks for the input...seems reasonable.
One of the big beefs I had with the Bush admisnitration is that they continued Clinton's policy of siding with the tribes. Let's hope they finally find some sense and let this drop.
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