Was Jesus a libertarian?

FountainofTruth ^ | May 19, 2001 | Doug Newman

[Cindy]

"Was Jesus a libertarian?"

No.
Jesus was always right.

[Cindy]

No discussion of abortion?

Jesus did not want ANYONE to hurt children.
He addresses that specifically in the Bible.

[familyop]

Schaffer for the Senate.

[xp38]

I seem to recall the harshest of judgement as well.

[Remember_Salamis]

"No discussion of abortion?

Jesus did not want ANYONE to hurt children.
He addresses that specifically in the Bible."

The authoer took out abortion because he was adressing a libertarian audience and didn't want to lose any of them before making his points.

[familyop]

"No discussion of abortion?"

That's what she said, apparently. You see, the speech presented "libertarian with a small _l_," which is a recent trend in Libertarian writing targeted to readerships outside their own. The speaker was at the "Convention of the Colorado Libertarian Party." Here's a link to the Libertarian Platform. The abortion issue is there. A close look at the religion issue in the platform is also a good idea (see "separation of church and State," "parents" and "children").

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/preamble.html#toc

And "heresy" (posted column above)...? The NIV is heresy.

  The NIV, in Deuteronomy 23:17, says, "No Israelite man or woman
is to become a shrine prostitute."

  The KJV says in Deuteronomy 23:17, "There shall be no whore of
the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."
"Sodomite" is a word that I haven't found in the NIV.

  A feminist lesbian named Virginia Mollenkott helped to write the
NIV.  Here's some info on Mollenkott.

The New International Version - 1978
http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index1/kjv/mouth4.htm#niv

  Let's read something else Ms. Mollenkott had to say.

     {2}Virginia Mollenkott wrote, in a letter to Christian
     Century (March 7, 1984, p. 252), "I am beginning to
     wonder whether indeed Christianity is patriarchal to its
     very core. If so, count me out.  Some of us may be forced
     to leave Christianity in order to participate in Jesus'
     discipleship of equals."

  I saw that on the following book page.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cbmw/rbmw/chapter26.html
"Charity, Clarity, and Hope: The Controversy and the Cause of
Christ"
John Piper and Wayne Grudem

"Two New Organizations: Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
Christians for Biblical Equality"

(Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
A Response to Evangelical Feminism
Wayne Grudem and John Piper)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  And that's the older NIV, by the way--not the new "gender
inclusive" version.

  Evangelical feminists have some new bible verses to use as
weapons against the family.  Take the verse, "I commend to you
our sister Phoebe, a servant[ 16:1 Or deaconess] of the church
in Cenchrea" (Romans 16:1, NIV or New International Version).

  So "Phoebe" was given unprecented authority, according to
the NIV revisionists.  Here's some info from study on that
issue.  And remember that one prevalent feminist tactic is to
make statements with little or no existing documentation to
either prove or disprove them.

  Now look at the verse in the KJV (King James Version).  "I
commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the
church which is at Cenchrea:" (Romans 16:1, KJV).

  ...some more in-depth study of "Phoebe."

The Biblical Vision Regarding Women's Ordination
By the Rev'd Dr Rodney A. Whitacre
http://www.episcopalian.org/cclec/paper-whitacre.htm

  ...and for information on the word, "diakonos,"

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1249&version=kjv

[ActionNewsBill]

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[BigSkyFreeper]

Libertarians say Jesus was Libertarian

Democrats say Jesus was Liberal

Republicans say Jesus was Conservative

That's how it's always been. Each political party picks and chooses what they agree with and run with it. Mystery solved.

[Common Tator]

"Was Jesus a libertarian?"

His Goal was to be crucified!!!

[A CA Guy]

Jesus wasn't a illegal drug taking anarchist, there is no relation.

No way Jesus was a libertarian, and if a libertarian ever was in contact with Christ, they would chastise Him for pushing His ethics upon their immorality and vices.

[A CA Guy]

Not me, I'm a conservative and I say Christ was a Savior!

[LS]

Talk about selective and HIGHLY flawed use of scripture.

Read in context, Rom. 13 makes it CLEAR that Christians are to be odedient to government except when it directly contradicts God's commands; but CHRISTIANS are not under the "Ten Commandments" or the Old Covenant. They are under the New Covenent, as established by Jesus and outlined by Paul, Peter, et. al. Paul makes it VERY clear that "The state does not bear the sword in vain [i.e., for nothing] but to execute wrath.." In other words, government is to administer justice so that individuals DO NOT engage in vendettas---as occurs in much of the Middle East.

No, God's best plan was NOT for the people to have a king: it was "worse" in the eyes of the Libertarians---to have a THEOCRACY. Can you really imagine these people supporting having, say, Jerry Falwell or John Paul II actually governing society?

Jesus Himself explicitly sanctioned paying taxes. He did not establish what was a "reasonable" level, although personally I think one can infer that if God only requires 10%, that should be the state's limit, too.

Timothy was referring to people getting welfare from the CHURCH, not the state. (No, I don't support government welfare, but this is still a total distortion of what Tim. was talking about). He was saying that if the CHURCH was going to support you, you had to work, too.

Finally, as most everyone will point out, to not address abortion and drug use is so convenient as to be funny. Jesus would slam modern-day Libertarians for elevating their own freedom and liberty above obedience to God.

Finally, it is interesting that Jesus so KEPT the civil laws that the Jewish leaders had to distort what He said and threaten Pilate with civil rebellion OF THEIR OWN in order to get him to crucify Jesus.

[LS]

Yah, but there's a problem. One of them may be right, because there IS a right and wrong. Just because "everyone has an opinion" doesn't mean there is no truth.

[agneyen]

Christ is Order. Whole Bible can be summarized in one sentenance i.e. God Created Order. He also gave free will to every being which off course is a sin as this free will have a capacity to not to follow GOD's order.

As we observe in today world we see sodomy which is against the order.It will soon happen on altar. We see terrorism which is against the order. It is happening at our home and work place..... and so on

[atomicpossum]

Wow. An entire rhetorical/religious house of cards built on a foundation of jello.

[Atlas Sneezed]

No discussion of abortion?

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Many libertarians oppose abortion as they oppose infanticide: because it is the unjustified initiation of force against another human being. To these libertarians, the liberty of the mother does not outweigh the life of the baby.

[BSunday]

Jesus told several people "Go and sin no more"

I would think that automatically disqualifies Him as a Libertarian.

Besides, I object to the question because Jesus Christ was totally unique among humans. The Son of God defies our puny little categories, does He not ??

[freeeee]

Jesus told several people "Go and sin no more". I would think that automatically disqualifies Him as a Libertarian.

Actually, he would have to have said "Go and sin no more or I'll have you arrested." to offend libertarians.

[aruanan]

Was Jesus a libertarian?

No. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law not to do away with it. He also said that people should obey the priests of the law and "do everything" they are told because they sit in the seat of Moses even though those priests are not living as they should be living.