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Terrorists attempt fresh wave of US hijackings ("MUST READ" describes recent attempts)
Scotsman ^ | July 23, 2004 | JAMES HALL

Posted on 07/22/2004 10:47:47 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Key points • Terrorists thought to have targeted at least two US flights in dry-run attacks • 9/11 Commission warns attack worse than Twin Towers 'probable' • Cameras caught 9/11 terrorists setting off security alarms prior to hijacking

Key quote "Every expert with whom we spoke told us an attack of even greater magnitude is now possible and even probable. We do not have the luxury of time" - Tom Kean, chairman 9/11 commission

Story in full DEVASTATING new evidence has emerged that terrorists are preparing another attack on the United States, with air marshals and flight crews reporting a series of dry runs for attacks on aircraft in mid-air.

At least two flights are thought to have been targeted so far by groups of Middle Eastern men who appear to be forming a plan of attack.

On one flight an air marshal reportedly broke into an onboard toilet to find that a mirror had been removed and that a Middle Eastern man was trying to break through a wall to the cockpit.

One air marshal told the Washington Times newspaper yesterday: "No doubt these are dry runs for a terrorist attack."

The revelation came on the day a major US report into the 11 September attacks warned that another attack was likely.

The commission recommended an overhaul of the country’s intelligence services to prevent al-Qaeda launching more deadly plots against America.

Warning that an attack "of even greater magnitude" than the one that killed almost 3,000 people in 2001 was "probable", the commission accused the Clinton and Bush administrations of failing to have sufficient imagination to have envisaged al-Qaeda’s lethal plot.

Tom Kean, the chairman of the commission, said: "Every expert with whom we spoke told us an attack of even greater magnitude is now possible and even probable. We do not have the luxury of time.

"We must prepare and we must act. The al-Qaeda network and its affiliates are sophisticated, patient, disciplined and lethal."

Airline staff and passengers have catalogued repeated incidents that suggest new attacks are in preparation.

"It’s happening and it’s a sad state of affairs," one pilot said.

On one flight last month, 14 Syrian men on a flight between Detroit and Los Angeles boarded the flight, sitting apart. They pretended to be strangers, according to those on board, but once airborne they started filing in and out of the plane’s toilets. When the plane was about to land, the men shot up to different toilets, arousing the suspicions of air crew, passengers and air marshals.

However, air marshals who monitored the incident said there was no "legal basis on which to take enforcement action".

In another incident, the Washington Times revealed, a flight attendant reported a passenger using a long lens to take photographs of the cockpit door.

Earlier this year, it was revealed that Islamic militants had found a new way to circumvent security systems at airports. Instead of trying to take bombs onto aircraft, they would place the components on board, which they can then assemble in mid-flight.

Security sources told newspapers that the tactic had already been tried out, again in dry-run form, on flights between the Middle East, North Africa and western Europe.

As early as November, the FBI was warning that "terrorists are considering the use of improvised explosive devices assembled on board to hijack an aircraft".

Security agencies around the globe are now trying to track down the militants that have been trained to carry out such attacks.

The activities are a terrifying echo of the meticulous planning of the hijackers involved in the 11 September plot, which was comprehensively detailed in yesterday’s report by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

The 567-page final report issued by the ten-member commission pointed to "deep institutional failings" and missed opportunities to thwart the hijackings carried out by al-Qaeda operatives.

"Terrorism was not the overriding national-security concern for the US government under either the Clinton or the pre-9/11 Bush administrations," the report said.

It said that on at least nine occasions, chances were missed that might have led to the uncovering of the plot.

Overnight, US television networks broadcast a newly released surveillance video from Washington’s Dulles International Airport on the morning of the attacks that investigators view as one of the missed opportunities.

The video shows five hijackers passing through security checkpoints. Four of them repeatedly set off alarms but were quickly cleared to board the flight that later crashed into the Pentagon. It was not clear what set the alarms off.

The commission was sweeping in its recommendations for change.

It proposed the appointment of a national intelligence director and the creation of a national counter-terrorism centre to better co-ordinate and share information about future terrorist threats.

"The national intelligence director should oversee national intelligence centres to provide all-source analysis and plan intelligence operations for the whole government on major problems," the report said.

The commission also said the US government must do more domestically to guard against future terrorist attacks, including measures such as setting national standards for issuing drivers’ licences and other identification, improving "no-fly" and other terrorist-watch lists and using more biometric identifiers to screen travellers at ports and borders.

Other recommendations included declassifying intelligence spending, upgrading the computer technology used by US intelligence and reorganising congressional oversight.

Given new warnings about al-Qaeda’s desire to strike again on a mass scale, James Thompson, commission member, said all US leaders would be wise to take the commission’s findings to heart.

"If it happens and we haven’t moved, then the American people are entitled to make very fundamental judgments about that," he said.

The commission’s vice-chairman, Lee Hamilton, a former Democratic congressman, appealed for political unity at the heights of America’s power. A "shift in mindset and organisation" within the US intelligence apparatus and a smoother transition between presidencies were also necessary, he said, to ensure "that this nation does not lower its guard every four or eight years".

"The US government has access to vast amounts of information but it has a weak process, a weak system of processing and using that information," Mr Hamilton said. "Need to share must replace need to know."

However, it will be months if not years before such recommendations can be implemented. Yet many terrorism experts fear that al-Qaeda is planning a terrorist attack in the next four months, in the run-up to the November presidential elections.

"They [the 11 September hijackers] penetrated the defences of the most powerful nation in the world," Mr Kean said. "They inflicted unbearable trauma on our people, and at the same time they turned international order upsidedown."

Mr Kean said the US was "faced with one of the greatest security challenges in our long history".


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; aliens; catholiclist; muslims; napalminthemorning; terrorintheskies; wot
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To: GEC

Whatever time is it where you are subtract 3 hours and tell me if anyone ever really knows what time it is. :-)


21 posted on 07/22/2004 11:11:09 PM PDT by bd476
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To: NYC GOP Chick

"As for Woods, have the alleged hijackers on his plane ever been identified as any of the 19 from September 11? Why are you so sure that the suspicious men on that flight were 9/11 hijackers?"

You really should read the interview.
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FOX%20NEWS_transcript%20-%20Actor%20James%20Woods.htm

WOODS: So they came in. And I said, "Look, I'm dying to know, were these the guys? And he said, "Well, we've had 36,000 tips in one day. And there's two of us and we're going to be at your house all this morning. So you can do the math, but we can't tell you." You know, so since then, I have identified for sure two of them as two of the terrorists.

O'REILLY: Really?

WOODS: Who actually were not on Flight 11, but one was on flight 175 and one was on flight 77. And I've been told unofficially, not by the FBI, but by someone else in a -- actually a higher level of government, believe it or not, just through a coincidence, through a mutual friend, that all four of them were terrorists involved.

O'REILLY: That is -- so it was basically a rehearsal, what these guys were doing?

WOODS: Right.

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I am not saying that every suspicious person is a terrorist -- but when suspicious persons act in a way, that is consistent with them being potential terrorists, they most certainly should not be ignored.

If the FAA would have taken the suspicious people Woods saw and reported, it would have prevented 9-11.


22 posted on 07/22/2004 11:11:28 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: John Valentine

Please stop being reasonable and making sense. That's just not going to go over well tonight.


23 posted on 07/22/2004 11:11:52 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: FairOpinion

It's 2 in the freaking morning, and I don't feel like reading the entire article.

Obviously, it's imperative to thoroughly investigate and deal with any and all possible terrorist activity, but let's stop assuming that every single instance of weird behavior is an impending attack, OK?!


24 posted on 07/22/2004 11:14:21 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Nope, not true. Turned out to be a group of musicians on their way to a show.

That's their story and you're stickin' to it.
25 posted on 07/22/2004 11:14:43 PM PDT by jaykay
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To: NYC GOP Chick

You could move to CA, where it is only a little after 11 pm -- early! ;)


26 posted on 07/22/2004 11:15:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: patriciamary

13 People in a band? Some must have been back ups? Oh, roadies, thats it. Yeah...ummm..ok. If I am a terrorist attempting to get a large group of ME men on an aircraft in the US post 9/11, I am going to have a reason to be all together. We are in a band, we are going to a soccer tournament...something to calm suspicions should some "alert" screener notices 12 ME men are getting on the aircraft...maybe I should ask some questions. If I am a passenger on that aircraft, and I notice that many ME men...I am getting off in a heartbeat.

Still no explanation as to why they were acting so suspicious///maybe they were practicing there dance routine?


27 posted on 07/22/2004 11:16:37 PM PDT by JohnthePatriot
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To: jaykay

Well, as someone whose immediate neighborhood has been *twice* hit by these bastards and who lives with incessant warnings/alerts/whatever, I long ago learned to be sane and rational about this, or go mad.


28 posted on 07/22/2004 11:16:49 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: FairOpinion

THanks, but I'm a native of this loveable fun city! :)


29 posted on 07/22/2004 11:17:07 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: FairOpinion
However, air marshals who monitored the incident said there was no "legal basis on which to take enforcement action".

It is despicable that the passengers said and did NOTHING. Who the hell cares about the Air Marshalls. This is OUR NATION. And if you see a group of foreigners acting suspiciously...YOU DAMN WELL SAY SOMETHING!!!

30 posted on 07/22/2004 11:17:42 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: ladyinred
Calgon take me away!

The most prudent post so far, for it IS the agenda of the terrorist to terrorize us all into submission, which would achieve a well sought after goal of Al Qaeda to disrupt our society and our monetary foundation, and even better yet for them, if we allowed this to happen without a physical attack on their part.

31 posted on 07/22/2004 11:19:44 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: montag813

But when passengers say something, they are labeled paranoids and ignored.

See story about the 14 potential terrorists/musicians and James Wood's observation and reporting of the suspicious terrorists.

I bet if those 9-11 terrorists Woods saw, had been shaken down, the authorities wouldn't have found anything -- until they murdered 3000 Americans.

That is the flaw of the "legal" approach. By the time you have legal cause, many of us are DEAD.

Pre-emption is the only thing that works against terrorists.

When a few terrorists can kill thousands of innocents, you can't afford to take chances.


32 posted on 07/22/2004 11:21:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Accepting a possible/probable cover story is not that sane and rational. If being suspicious is madness, I'm a raving lunatic.


33 posted on 07/22/2004 11:23:13 PM PDT by jaykay
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To: JohnthePatriot

And why did they act as if they didn't know each other before boarding, and acting as if they know each other well, when they are in flight?


34 posted on 07/22/2004 11:23:45 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: FairOpinion
Pre-emption is the only thing that works against terrorists.

Well said FO!!

Spread that insightful fact around, With FERVOR!!

35 posted on 07/22/2004 11:24:35 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: montag813

If you want to look, I think there is a link above to the story about the flight with the 13 musicians. If not you can search FR, as the story has been posted about 20 times.

If you read the passenger's first hand account, you will discover that the passengers DID do something. They reported it to the flight staff. The flight staff assured the passengers that the situation was being monitored and that there were air marshalls on board.

Now, if you think the passengers should have done something more, I'd like to know just what you think they should have doen, or more to the point, what YOU would have done.

You want to tackle the zouri player, take him to the carpet and break his filthy Syrian fingers?

Man, you'd be working for his family for the rest of your life. That is, after you got out of jail.


36 posted on 07/22/2004 11:24:38 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: FairOpinion
And why did they act as if they didn't know each other before boarding, and acting as if they know each other well, when they are in flight?

That, sir, is one passenger's take on their behavior. I would give it very little credit. It puts the passenger in the position of a mind reader, a talent I doubt she had.

37 posted on 07/22/2004 11:26:31 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: FairOpinion

The threat of terrorism is exaggerated


38 posted on 07/22/2004 11:27:33 PM PDT by Stallone (Make love not war! ~ Lynndie England)
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To: jaykay

"Hire paranoids. Even though they have a high false-alarm rate, they discover all plots."
(Herman Kahn)


It's one of Rumsfeld's Rules.

Today, we can't afford the luxury of NOT being paranoid.


39 posted on 07/22/2004 11:30:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: John Valentine

I would like to refer you to my post 14 & 22.


40 posted on 07/22/2004 11:33:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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