Anti-DNC Protest Action Outside Fleet Center in Boston -- Latest Photos, Tuesday After Action

That's rich, calling anti-socialists who have not hesitated to get out into the streets at one point or another in their lives, like Walesa and Reagan (back in the 1950s), closet admirers. It did cost more when protesters were shot dead by socialist filth in Latvia, Rangoon, Beijing, Tbilisi, Yerevan, Moldova, Bucharest, Prague, and on and on, and others were sent to the GULAG after the protests of 1968 swept Eastern Europe, or Poland throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Here, there is no such risk, but then the contemporary generation of bums have retreated to a smug isolation behind their computers and televisions. From Sons of Liberty (1765-1773) to protesters in Poland, Romania, Latvia, Armenia, Rangoon, Beijing, you name it, those tactics have worked and rallied hundreds of millions to the cause of liberty republican-style. Millions in the streets of Poland, hundreds of thousands in Berlin and Riga. I WAS THERE, and so were a lot of other AMERICANS supporting their causes with money, bodies, and more. Where were you? Are you calling them all secret admirers?

There is a lesson here about "power." It is the power to energize people to ACT for their values. It is not that the street is the only tactic that means anything, but rather it is a reflection of a deeper ability to "mobilize." The GOP hasn't been able to mobilize anything since Reagan -- you may not even be old enough to remember the street rallies by YAFers and even the local GOP from 1968 through 1988. I was in street actions (signs, counter-protests, etc.) ORGANIZED BY THE GOP ITSELF back then. Not today - it is run by wimps trading favors for cash and "media buys." For that matter, how many people have the Republicans actually RALLIED (that is, new voters, not just living off the Reagan legacy) in the past decade while they shovel weak-kneed drivel behind media buys(last I checked they lost the popular vote the last time, and continue their slide into oblivion [if it weren't for 9/11, this election would already be long over, and the GOP marginalized, while this "war bounce" will NOT last forever]). Consider that Bush is running against Dukakis' old LTGOV and a borderline communist sympathizer (right up there with Hanoi Jane) -- and he can only generate a dead heat? PATHETIC> Reagan, even Goldwater, would be running away with this election. If the GOP (state and local levels) had any spark and organizational talent this race would be long over.

On the Boston Common I met an MIT grad from China involved in a protest of America's "free hand" given to Communist "state terrorists" in China say how much he admired Reagan, and wondered whatever happened to the GOP. I had to tell him the sad truth, the Republican revolutions of 1980 and 1994 were history, because the party had been taken over by self-satisfied money-grubbing parisites who don't even know what they stand FOR, let alone AGAINST.

It did cost more when protesters were shot dead by socialist filth in Latvia

Oh course that's relevant because there's a chance those Greens you were around outside the DNC were armed. Get over yourself.

Millions in the streets of Poland, hundreds of thousands in Berlin and Riga. I WAS THERE, and so were a lot of other AMERICANS supporting their causes with money, bodies, and more. Where were you? Are you calling them all secret admirers?

No just you. Protesting's great, when there is something specific to do so. There hasn't been at the conventions in a long time, its just a huge mess of different Leftist factions ranting about things that don't matter to average Americans. I know, happened to be at the one in 2000 in LA.

It is the power to energize people to ACT for their values.

This of course is brilliantly illustrated by comparing Ashcroft to Kerry? I know the Leftists love to talk about all these rights lost because of that evil religious zealot, but I have never heard of A SINGLE VERIFIABLE right that Americans have lost because of that guy, he's just a punching for the Left, so when I read you defend that ugly woman's infantile little sign, you bet your a$$ I am going to suspect you are a secret admirer of the Leftists because you sound like them.

The GOP hasn't been able to mobilize anything since Reagan -- you may not even be old enough to remember the street rallies by YAFers and even the local GOP from 1968 through 1988. I was in street actions

I was old enough, yet never heard of it, could it be that it amounted to absolutely NOTHING?

Not today - it is run by wimps trading favors for cash and "media buys." For that matter, how many people have the Republicans actually RALLIED (that is, new voters, not just living off the Reagan legacy) in the past decade while they shovel weak-kneed drivel

That is all true, don't forget how they've sold us out to Cheap Labor interests so that we have to deal with a Mexican invasion that they will do nothing to stop.

Consider that Bush is running against Dukakis' old LTGOV and a borderline communist sympathizer (right up there with Hanoi Jane) -- and he can only generate a dead heat? PATHETIC> Reagan, even Goldwater, would be running away with this election. If the GOP (state and local levels) had any spark and organizational talent this race would be long over.

No arguements here, Bush was a bad nominee, another case of the party big wigs triangulating by running somebody who has a last name we recognize no matter how inarticulate he is. (I'm still voting for him in November to stop Kerry.) But I still don't see what walking around with signs in a cage in Boston is suppsed to do about it?

On the Boston Common I met an MIT grad from China involved in a protest of America's "free hand" given to Communist "state terrorists" in China say how much he admired Reagan, and wondered whatever happened to the GOP.

Well, its the Cold War 2, but this time we are fighting someone who uses capitalism to fund their empire. The GOP won't say anything because the are getting part of the cut. However, this has nothing to do with a circle jerk of 20 people holding vague, innarticulate signs and ranting to each other. Protests only matter when they are about specific hot button issues that matter to regular folks getting by in life, you are appealing to the activists and its going to get you nowhere and make you miserable. Just pick a single cause and market it. You are taking on the world and its going to stomp you.

Yeah, right, "amount to nothing..." There is no sense of scale in that comment. Here in MA, the difference between Celucci winning a few years back was only a few thousand votes. We had enough folks with signs to remind people to vote that it probably made all the difference in that election. Sometimes every little bit helps. Over time, it adds up. Especially at younger ages, when folks respond more (with lifetime consequences) to signs of LIFE in a party or behind an idea.

By the way, "over myself" was an insult not to me, because coming from you it doesn't amount to anything, but it was to the folks I met who DIED in protests against socialist dictatorship in Latvia, and others I knew who were put into or came out of prisons for long terms just for saying "anti-Soviet" things. Just because you live in a small world doesn't mean others live behind the remote, too. You obviously take for granted what could easily be lost the way we are headed...Kent State wasn't that long ago or in some other country. Here's the rub...In the past 15 years, the United States has allowed in more than 5 million immigrants to come here from communist or formerly communist nations and dictatorships. How can you be certain they will all "buy in," and won't support the tyrannical Left in imposing similar systems? Now that the social compact has broken down, and borders are broken, mass immigration (combined with the tyrannical segments of society already here) make anything seem possible over the next decade. Hence, the need to resist the institutionalization of policies and practices that Hillary Clinton might use in 2008. Who knows?

Better yet, it's great to see all the activity on this site for such maligned tactics connected to the GOP Convention in New York...e.g., titles...
Pre-GOP Convention report:NYC Sign Painting Event 7/31/04
Get Involved!

You embrace them? That's some sad little corner..

You mean the general population? Regular America has its problems to be sure, but it is a much happier place than ugly middle aged women with vague, innarticulate (idiotic) signs like "Ashcroft = Kerry"

I'll stay thanks for asking.

You still are avoiding how stumbling around holding signs like "This is the 1984 Utopia" make the slightest bit of difference to any citizen but a handful of kooks and extremists. How does that change a single policy? Hey I pity your position, I think there is some truth in a lot of what you are saying, what I'm trying to reason with you is that when you cry wolf by being outraged about everything you hurt the important causes. To make vague innarticulate catch-phrase signs mean something there has to be a well known movement BEFORE a protest so that people can see a sign like "Abortion is Homicide" and go "oh yeah, anti abortion people, I know what they want, here they are representing-I guess they are everywhere."

Now you compare that with the knucklehead you are defending making some kind of weird point about Ashcroft and normal people just go "huh? Looks like another kook." and then your whole group-even the antiabortion ones or the free speech ones all get lumped together. You need to realize your credability has been shot at that point.

Focus.

The following is my report of Night 4 of the DNC in Boston.
FYI, I'm a right-wing single republican, so forgive the
testosterone fueled narrative.
-tesco

- parked the motorcycle in charles river park. walked over to the loonie bin.
they had opened it up a bit, and now the anarchists controlled canal street.
someone was piping a lousy version of "we shall overcome" over loudspeakers...
it sounded like a coven of 60s braless lesbians. i went through them with my
"hope is on the way" sign, with a picture of edwards in a mercedes, chasing
an ambulance. the anarchists hate everybody, so they liked the sign.

- walked down to new chardon street to catch the delegates before they entered
the fleet. I had a sign that said "you KNOW you want dean! kerry's a loser".
i cant even tell you how many of them said "that's right, but what can we do now?"

- saw a bunch of rabble-rousers walking down from bowdoin. turns out they were the
"vietnam vets against kerry". so i took out my sign that said "when the vc needed
a stooge, john kerry said 'send me!'", and joined them. we marched through the
loony bin chanting "ho ho ho chi kerry" and "kerry lied, good men died". then we
marched up to his mansion on the hill and the vets threw ceremonial medals (gum)
over the police gate as an "F You" to kerry.

- left the vets. while walking to faneuil hall i ran into the lyndon larouche people.
one was an absolutely smoking hot blonde, so naturally i took a seat and was
instantly curious about larouche. this chick sat next to me and started showing
me the larouche doctrine from some pamphlet called "Satan's Children III".
No mater, as she was talking about the gold standard, neocons and nazis, i had
a great view of her hooters. this went on for like an hour, and then she asked for
my number so she could call back for more indoctrination. So i asked for
HER phone number so i could take her to dinner. at that point she waved a cheap-ass
engagement ring at me, told me she was married and 10 weeks pregnant. doh!
so now the freaks have my phone number and i have no crazy hot chick.

- walked to faneuil hall. msnbc was there live with "Hardball". barnicle was
on the panel, and some drunk next to me kept yelling "hey barnicle you suck!".
i got behind chris matthews but couldnt get a sign on the air. but soon
chris matthews left and so did the crowd. 5 minutes later joe scarborough
started the show again and i had a front row spot. many times i got
"kerry betrayed his 'nam buddies" on the air, as well as "W kicks terrorist ass",
which scarborough signed. i'm proud of the work i did there for the vast
right-wing conspiracy.

- at one point two hot northeastern girls, three sheets to the wind, were walking by.
i told them to stand next to me so they could get on TV. so the conversation
goes something like this:
"who's that guy? he has a great ass"
"that's scarborough"
"hey scarborough! i love your ass!!" "hey scarborough, take us to your
hotel room!" "i love cocaine, whoo!" "hey scarborough fair, are you
garfunkel??" "how about a lap dance scarborough"
so one sees a few kerry stickers that the dems put on a sign of mine, and
she says she wants to put one end on her boob, and the other end of the sticker
on her friend's boob, so they'd be stuck together. i said only if i could
do it. no problem! so i pull off the sticker, and pat it, many more times
than necessary, right smack on their bazookas.
"hey scarborough, we're glued together! take us both scarborough"
"hey scarborough, we'd love a Hardball" (ok i prodded that one out of them).
when it fell off, one of the girls wanted my other sticker all for herself,
so she moved her hooters over to me and i got about 5 pats and 3 honks out
of her that time.

- coke girls leave. two hot but dignified girls take their place. they're
from wellesley and surprisingly one is a republican. the republican seems
interested! she saw my W sign and wanted to see them all. she was getting
good laughs out of them until she came to the one that i wrote just to piss off
all the lesbians hading out "keep abortion legal" stickers. it said, in big
font, "PRO-CHOICE", and then in small font, "chicks are easy". Well, you
can take a girl out of wellesley, but even a republican wellsleyan has no
sense of humor about the issue. struck out.

- to top the evening off, Triumph the insult comic dog made an appearance
and i got to rub his rubber head, which sounds odd now but it was cool
at the time.

At this late date it is clear you still haven't even bothered to read word 1 of what the Ashcroft-Kerry connection means (it was posted on freerepublic). It is clearly what animates you, beyond all reason. The short version is that the camp that was created was done so at the direct advice/order based on "intelligence" provided ex parte by a District Attorney (over the objections and criticism of a REAGAN-era appointee to the Federal bench, in commentary that read like Scalia's stinging dissent against the Bush Administration in Hamdi). By the way, the term "camp" comes from the Federal Judge (Reagan appointee) at the center of the controversy who called it a "concentration camp." Now THAT would be over the top -- the sign is TIMID by comparison with commentary in conservative papers in New Hampshire and elsewhere. The connection is that Kerry's buds in the Boston City Council worked to pull permits for protests and signs, etc. for practically every single conservative group in the region (targeting especially anti-abortion protesters), thus forcing them into the "pen" -- while the filthy communists got the streets.

The "speech zone" idea was the creation of Leftists (see www.thefire.org) and institutionalized as law enforcement policy under Reno starting with the 1996 conventions. A federal judge tossed it in 2000, so they backed off that year. However, under Bush they have been implementing them virtually everywhere he goes -- the same PC Left-wing nonsense that animates Horowitz, Savage, Buchanan (running critiques of the speech zone policies in American Conservative), and so on. That's the point -- the Justice Department and Kerry have something in common -- PC commitment to socialistic regulation of non-elite political activity and speech under the Orwellian title of "speech zones." Now get a grip. The "focus" here is on the real problem that Rush and Savage complain about repeatedly, that Clintonistas are peppered throughout the top ranks of Justice, DoD, FBI, Marshals, etc. When Carter, Reagan, and Clinton came to power there was a clean sweep of the bureaucracies. NOT under the "bipartisan government" of Bush 43>>>If that's a marginal issue to you then we have different interests, but certainly nothing warranting the mindless vitriol you spew.

That woman, by the way, told me she worked on the Safeguard ABM system [targeting China, by the way, not the Sovs], while you were chewing gumballs. You can see her hanging out in one photo with the guy holding the anti-abortion sign (who was a vet from Korea). What the hell have you ever done for the cause except spew venom on a site for back-benchers?

At this late date it is clear you still haven't even bothered to read word 1 of what the Ashcroft-Kerry connection means

Exactly right, which is why I said you take on too much. Just because some post on FR is talking about it, does not mean the outside world knows about it. Hell I read FR, am right wing and I think you 2 are crazy-not much hope Joe 6 Pack. Its this kind of inflamatory, vague sign that is so foreign to the average American that is asserted rather than explained that gets you labeled EXTREME.

The short version is that the camp that was created was done so at the direct advice/order based on "intelligence" provided ex parte by a District Attorney

Lets get to the even shorter story, cuz I could care less how this "camp" was created (I assume your non sequitar is about how the Gitmo camp was created. Are you against detaining the terrorists there? The Bill Of Rights is not a suicide pact.)

The "speech zone" idea was the creation of Leftists (see www.thefire.org) and institutionalized as law enforcement policy under Reno starting with the 1996 conventions. A federal judge tossed it in 2000, so they backed off that year. However, under Bush they have been implementing them virtually everywhere he goes

How is it Bush's fault that this happened at the DNC?

PC commitment to socialistic regulation of non-elite political activity and speech under the Orwellian title of "speech zones." Now get a grip. The "focus" here is on the real problem that Rush and Savage complain about repeatedly, that Clintonistas are peppered throughout the top ranks of Justice, DoD, FBI, Marshals, etc.

I don't see any "focus" from you and your lady friend at all---that's your problem! None of this is explained by your equation of The hated AG and the Demo candidate.

When Carter, Reagan, and Clinton came to power there was a clean sweep of the bureaucracies. NOT under the "bipartisan government" of Bush 43>>>If that's a marginal issue to you then we have different interests, but certainly nothing warranting the mindless vitriol you spew.

I asked you repeatedly what 20 people ranting in a cage accomplishes? You failed to answer. I can see why you call that spewing because its a pretty impossible question to answer from the extreme political set. That is because not only are you not gaining converts from the handful of people that might pass by to join you, I would go so far than when you make vague, scattershot attacks on everybody that have no meat to them, you end up turning more people off that on. I for one am against your position and I am a right winger who thinks Bush has been too bipartisan. Its just your selfrighteous extremism is a major turn off for the average person. I have little problem with Gitmo as it exists, and I think discouraging Ashcroft is reckless, irresponsible, and "kookish"

That woman, by the way, told me she worked on the Safeguard ABM system [targeting China, by the way, not the Sovs], while you were chewing gumballs.

That is, if she was telling the truth, which is unlikely.

You can see her hanging out in one photo with the guy holding the anti-abortion sign (who was a vet from Korea). What the hell have you ever done for the cause except spew venom on a site for back-benchers?

First of all, I am not a part of your kookish cause. (You sound like some 60s radical talking about "the cause" like everybody's gonna know what you're ranting about.)Quite simply I have been an educated, successful, informed, reasonable American voter. Something you and her, undoubtedly throwing your vote away on some 3rd party failure, are not.

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