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Kerry's Cambodia account challenged by ex-commander
Knight Ridder ^ | 08/15/04 | Scott Canon

Posted on 08/15/2004 5:51:33 AM PDT by Pikamax

Kerry's Cambodia account challenged by ex-commander

By Scott Canon Knight Ridder Newspapers

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — John Kerry's repeated claim that he spent Christmas Eve of 1968 upriver in Cambodia — against official United States policy — has drawn harsh criticism from anti-Kerry veterans.

Roy Hoffmann, a retired admiral who was a Navy captain in command of Kerry's unit at the time, said the candidate's Cambodia statements can't be true.

"I think he just outright lied," said Hoffman, a founder of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. "He never was there."

Over the years, Kerry has referred to spending Christmas or Christmas Eve 1968 in Cambodia and coming under fire. At the time, Cambodia was considered a neutral nation presumably off-limits to U.S. troops.

"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia," Kerry said in 1986 at a Senate committee hearing during a debate on U.S. policy toward Central America. "I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared — seared — in me."

A few years earlier, the Massachusetts senator had talked with the Boston Herald about "the absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops."

Nixon had been elected by Christmas 1968 but didn't take office until the next month.

The Kerry campaign has since said that the presidential candidate's recollection was imprecise — that his runs into Cambodia came in the early months of 1969. A June 2003 article in The Washington Post quotes Kerry talking about a mildewy and faded-green camouflage hat he carries in his black attaché.

"My good-luck hat," Kerry told the Post. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

The book "Unfit for Command," put out by members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, contends "all the living commanders in Kerry's chain of command ... indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialed had he gone" to Cambodia.

Yet the Kerry campaign said it was far from rare for American forces to pursue Viet Cong over the border.

"Swift Boat crews regularly operated along the Cambodian border from Ha Tien on the Gulf of Thailand to the rivers of the Mekong south and west of Saigon," Michael Meehan, a senior adviser in the Kerry campaign, said Friday. "Boats often received fire from enemy taking sanctuary across the border. Kerry's was not the only United States riverboat to respond, inadvertently or responsibly, across the border."

"Many times he was on or near the Cambodian border and on one occasion crossed into Cambodia at the request of members of a special operations group operating out of Ha Tien" on the Gulf of Thailand, Meehan said in his statement.

Hoffmann, the retired admiral, said he was leery of Kerry's claim to have ventured into Cambodia in early 1969 to deliver CIA operatives or special-forces soldiers.

"I was always properly informed. The whole time I was there, I don't recall" such a mission, Hoffmann said.


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1 posted on 08/15/2004 5:51:33 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
"My good-luck hat," Kerry told the Post. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

"Hahahahaha! Of course they don't realize I've been hosing them all along, son! They're LIBERALS -- !"

2 posted on 08/15/2004 6:00:21 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Pikamax

"I WAS IN CAMBODIA BUT I WAS NEVER WITH JANE FONDA" quote John Kerry.


3 posted on 08/15/2004 6:05:39 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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To: Pikamax
Well. A retired admiral is calling Kerry a liar.

The idiot liberal smear machine better hope there's only one. That way, they can give him the Benton K Partin treatment.

4 posted on 08/15/2004 6:27:54 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Pikamax
"My good-luck hat," Kerry told the Post. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

Did he get a secret decoder ring too.

What a moron.
5 posted on 08/15/2004 6:30:25 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

LOVE your movie graphic!!


6 posted on 08/15/2004 6:56:09 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Very Subtle.com)
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To: Pikamax

This man was in Vietnam for 4 months and he can't remember where he was on Christmas Eve ?? The web of lies continues to get bigger just wating to snag the Kerry bug.


7 posted on 08/15/2004 7:14:55 AM PDT by lonerepubinma
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To: lonerepubinma

Great point. Amazing no journalist has picked up on that.


8 posted on 08/15/2004 7:18:56 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Gunrunner2

And the CIS "guy" just happened to have an extra hat to give to Kerry. What did he wear into the jungle ??


9 posted on 08/15/2004 7:19:18 AM PDT by lonerepubinma
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To: Pikamax

>"Many times he was on or near the Cambodian border <
...
Somebody, demand that Kerry speak


10 posted on 08/15/2004 7:22:54 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: Pikamax

Thanks for posting this story, but the link doesn't work.


11 posted on 08/15/2004 7:22:59 AM PDT by PilloryHillary (flushthejohns.com)
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To: Pikamax
"My good-luck hat," Kerry told the Post. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

Yeah, but where's he keeping the head of Col. Kurtz? This guy is way too old to be having fantasies about being a secret agent...
12 posted on 08/15/2004 7:53:36 AM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Pikamax

The Night Before Christmas (Cambodian Version)

Twas the night before Christmas and we were afloat
Somewhere in Cambodia in our little boat.
While the river was lightened by rockets red glare
No one but the President knew we were there.

The crew was all nestled deep down in their bunks,
While the Spook and I watched the sampans and junks.
Our mission was secret, so secret in fact,
No one else would remember it when we got back.

When out on the water there arose such a clatter
I leaped down from the bridge to see what was the matter.
The incoming friendly was starting to flash
And I knew that the ARVN's were having a bash.

The snap of friendly fire on the warm tropic air
Convinced me for sure no one knew we were there,
On a clandestine mission so secret it's true
That I'm still convinced only Tricky Dick knew.

While I huddled for safety in the tub on the bow,
I thought of a title, "Apocalypse Now."
To give to the films I was I making each day
To show all the voters when I made my big play.

As I sat there sweating in my lucky flight jacket,
Spook said, "Merry Christmas!" and tossed me a packet.
And what to my wondering eyes did appear,
But a new lucky cap, which I still have right here.

I keep it tucked here, in this leather brief case,
Just sharing with the press its secretive place
As I regale them again with my senate refrain,
That Christmas in Cambodia is seared into my brain.

Don't bother to quibble with history my friend,
By pointing out Johnson was President then.
Don't listen to Swiftees who try to explain,
For I tell you that night is seared into my brain.

Down Hibbard, down Lonsdale, and you too O'Neill,
So you don't remember? Well it's something I feel.
I don't need all you Swiftvets to support my campaign,
Cause Christmas in Cambodia is seared into my brain,

Into my brain, into my brain, into my brain...

Russ Vaughn
2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Division
Vietnam 65-66


13 posted on 08/15/2004 8:01:21 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner

Brilliant!


14 posted on 08/15/2004 8:08:51 AM PDT by JennysCool (The Clinton Legacy: Sandy Berger's Pants)
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To: Pikamax; WOSG; wretchard
Thomas Lifson -- The American Thinker

Twilight of the Press Gods

The genie is out of the bottle. The best efforts of the mainstream media to blockade the story of Kerry’s lies about Cambodia, and the charges by the vast majority of men who served with him in the Swift Boat operations, have failed. Glenn Reynolds prints a telling letter from a reader who requests anonymity. Read the entire entry, but here are the key sentences:

...last night I was talking to a friend who is a hardcore liberal Democrat and is, in fact, a first cousin of a very well-known Democratic Senator. He was very upset about the Kerry-Swift Vet-Cambodia controversy. He blamed Kerry for the whole thing, saying he had set himself up for this problem by making Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. Two things struck me about this. First, this is a guy who gets all of his news from the biggies - the NYT, NPR, and CNN - and yet he knew all about the story. That means the Big Media filter isn't preventing the story from reaching people. Second, he had concluded that Kerry deserves the criticism and is lacking in credibility. This is a guy who, if there were any yes-but talking points in defense of Kerry, surely would have stuck to them. This says to me that if Big Media is in the tank for Kerry, they may actually have hurt him by not covering this story. They've abdicated coverage of a story that is negative to Kerry to the Blogosphere, thus resulting in more damage to their favored candidate than if they'd reported on the story, but with an eye toward knocking it down. They can pretend the story isn't there, but they can't make blogs go away.

Glenn adds:

...they're damaging themselves as more and more people notice that they're ignoring it.

Just so. Credibility, once lost, is difficult to re-establish. Ask Bill Clinton.

In April, I used the metaphor of a driver stuck in snow, who presses the accelerator, and finds the spinning wheels only melting more snow, making traction all the more difficult. The current efforts of the press to define Kerry’s lies as a non-event are destroying their own traction. The media eruption over far less serious charges about Bush’s National Guard service is too fresh in the recesses of most peoples’ minds. And, of course, Bush didn’t choose to run for re-election on the basis of his honorable, even brave service as a jet jockey, a highly dangerous occupation.

But it is summer now. So let me switch metaphors. The establishment press is facing its Gottedamerung – the twilight of the gods. For decades, god-like figures handed down their version of the truth from corporate Valhallas like the New York Times and CBS News. The public credulously accepted their writ on what is important and what is not important.

But god-like pretensions are dangerous, indeed, often fatal. Especially when combined with mono-maniacal convictions on the need for their point of view to prevail. Post-modernity, a concept beloved of the bien pensants, cuts two ways. The public is skeptical of anyone who pretends to be an authoritative gatekeeper of knowledge. Kerry, who has never cut much of a figure as a genuine, warm, empathetic human being, is an ideal target for citizen skepticism.

The establishment press is coming across as every bit as pompous and conniving as the man who married two centi-millionaire heiresses.

They are, in fact, destroying themselves. Their industry is in serious trouble. Circulation scandals have hit major newspaper publishers, while the scandal-free press can take little comfort in their declining readership. Network TV news is a shadow of its former self, and its future is very limited. CNN’s monopoly is shattered, and it boasts a poor fraction of the viewership of Fox News, the only cable news outlet fully covering Kerrygate with the same seriousness accorded Bush’s National Guard service questions.

The blogosphere is the camel whose nose, and now a good part of its neck, is under the tent. Leadership in coverage of the self-destruction of the Kerry Campaign is in the hands of Instapundit, Hugh Hewitt (guru to many of us), Powerline, Captain’s Quarters, Just One Minute, and many other bloggers.

Nobody had ever heard of Bob Woodward until Watergate. Afterward, he became a powerful brand name, and his and Bernstein's work inspired generations of new journalists. The same phenomenon is taking place today, and journalism will never be the same again. The big difference is that this time around, there is a technological revolution compounding the destructive force operating on the old media. Hurricane Charley has nothing on the winds of change now blowing away the old media practices and economics.

Future historians are going to find this election deeply significant for not just War on Terror policy reasons. This is a transformative election for the structure of political information.

15 posted on 08/15/2004 12:19:05 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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The blogosphere, talk radio and Fox News have forced the MSM to start covering the Cambodian Candidate and the Swift Boat veterans. If Lifson is right, this is the beginning of the end of Left-Liberal domination of the electorate's sources of information.
16 posted on 08/15/2004 12:29:15 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: jrlc; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

ping


17 posted on 08/15/2004 12:31:30 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Gunrunner2

No, but he still has the Double-Secret Squadron stick-on he got off a jar of Ovaltine. He had two but he put the other on his rifle.


18 posted on 08/15/2004 12:33:27 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

FUNNY!


19 posted on 08/15/2004 12:56:28 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Mrs Zip

ping


20 posted on 08/15/2004 12:58:12 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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