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Immigrants Face Loss of Licenses in ID Crackdown
NY Times ^ | 8/18/04 | Nina Bernstein

Posted on 08/18/2004 9:20:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: asmith92008
I am proud to be a paleo-con in the Teddy Roosevelt tradition,

You mean "National parks" environmentalist Teddy, anti business Teddy, USDA government regulation Teddy, Let's elect 'rat Wilson Teddy, or invade sovereign nations Teddy? Pfffttt! You know nothing of history either.

41 posted on 08/18/2004 11:18:31 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: skip_intro
We also had no welfare state magnet and no social services. There was no incentive to remain here if there was no work, and there was no tax burden on the general population to support the families of immigrants.

I guess the "conservatives" at FR accept the welfare state and the tax burden...it's just the recipient who don't "deserve it" that bothers them, huh? Nobody deserves to get money, or health care, for no work. Instead of fighting the problem you fight the straw dog. Pathetic.

42 posted on 08/18/2004 11:25:25 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: GarySpFc
She stole a right which belonged to either a citizen or a legal immigrant.

Who did she steal the right to drive from smart guy?

43 posted on 08/18/2004 11:26:53 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler
I guess the "conservatives" at FR accept the welfare state and the tax burden...

Speak for yourself, pal.

44 posted on 08/18/2004 11:30:42 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: Once-Ler
Who did she steal the right to drive from smart guy?

Did I say anything about stealing the right to drive? Learn to read. The illegal immigrant is stealing the rights of citizens, legal immigrants, and legally intended immigrants. Anytime you give benefits to those breaking the law you are stealing from those who keep the law.
45 posted on 08/18/2004 11:35:16 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: skip_intro
Speak for yourself, pal.

I do speak for myself. My posts have been clear of thought and meaning. I have nuked every argument offered and I find the PaleoCon's intellectual abilities lacking. I feel like I'm arguing with children, retards, and lunatics. I will never convince them that "Liberty is not America’s gift to the world, it is God’s gift to each and every person," but I thank God that he gave us President George W Bush.

46 posted on 08/18/2004 11:37:18 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler
"Those losers are pathetic and only good for baking macaroni casseroles to pass around at the Constimatushunalist Party convention."

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"We affirm the integrity of the international borders of the United States and the Constitutional authority and duty of the federal government to guard and to protect those borders, including the regulation of the numbers and of the qualifications of immigrants into the country.

Each year approximately one million legal immigrants and almost as many illegal aliens enter the United States. These immigrants - including illegal aliens - have been made eligible for various kinds of public assistance, including housing, education, Social Security, and legal services. This unconstitutional drain on the federal Treasury is having a severe and adverse impact on our economy, increasing the cost of government at federal, state, and local levels, adding to the tax burden, and stressing the fabric of society. The mass importation of people with low standards of living threatens the wage structure of the American worker and the labor balance in our country.

We oppose the abuse of the H-1B and L-1 visa provisions of the immigration act which are displacing American workers with foreign.

We favor a moratorium on immigration to the United States, except in extreme hardship cases or in other individual special circumstances, until the availability of all federal subsidies and assistance be discontinued, and proper security procedures have been instituted to protect against terrorist infiltration.

We also insist that every individual group and/or private agency which requests the admission of an immigrant to the U.S., on whatever basis, be required to commit legally to provide housing and sustenance for such immigrants, bear full responsibility for the economic independence of the immigrants, and post appropriate bonds to seal such covenants.

We demand that the federal government restore immigration policies based on the practice that potential immigrants will be disqualified from admission to the U.S. if, on the grounds of health, criminality, morals, or financial dependence, they would impose an improper burden on the United States, any state, or any citizen of the United States.

We oppose the provision of welfare subsidies and other taxpayer-supported benefits to illegal aliens, and reject the practice of bestowing U.S. citizenship on children born to illegal alien parents while in this country.

We oppose any extension of amnesty to illegal aliens. We call for the use of U.S. troops to protect the states against invasion.

We oppose bilingual ballots. We insist that those who wish to take part in the electoral process and governance of this nation be required to read and comprehend basic English as a precondition of citizenship. We support English as the official language for all governmental business by the United States."
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It seems to me that the "Constimatushunalist" Party's only sin is shaming the larger ones.

Someone pass the casserole.

47 posted on 08/18/2004 11:40:53 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (http://www.numbersusa.com makes a difference!)
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To: GarySpFc
The illegal immigrant is stealing the rights of citizens, legal immigrants, and legally intended immigrants.

You can't back that up with fact. The number of legal immigrants is static. It doesn't change if their are 1 million illegals entering the US or zero. Try again genius.

48 posted on 08/18/2004 11:41:16 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler
I do speak for myself. My posts have been clear of thought and meaning

They're nothing of the kind. You accuse others of making statements they didn't make and attack them personally because they disagree with you.

You're Michael Savage's alter ego.

49 posted on 08/18/2004 11:42:05 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: Once-Ler
But Gloria, a Colombian woman who has lived in Queens since 1991, said she had not driven since the January day when her license was confiscated at the Whitestone motor vehicle office.

Cry me a river --- there are buses these people can take or they can ride bikes. They chose to come here illegally because waiting in line with those who choose to come here legally was just too much to ask. They don't want to fix up their own countries and we can't have the entire world move to the USA.

There is a legal process, there are millions of people who want to come here so there is a long long line. These people are actually arrogant and believe they should be rewarded for breaking the law and given preference over those who patiently obey the law.

50 posted on 08/18/2004 11:45:31 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: skip_intro
You accuse others of making statements they didn't make and attack them personally because they disagree with you.

Please elaborate.

51 posted on 08/18/2004 11:46:15 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
We oppose the provision of welfare subsidies and other taxpayer-supported benefits to illegal aliens,

As I wrote before "I guess the "conservatives" at FR accept the welfare state and the tax burden...it's just the (illegal immigrant) recipient who don't "deserve it" that bothers them, huh?"

52 posted on 08/18/2004 11:49:29 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler
The number of legal immigrants is static. It doesn't change if their are 1 million illegals entering the US or zero.

Not really. For someone trying to come here legally, it is often necessary for there to be a job available and some evidence that the job is difficult to fill --- so someone else steals a social security number and commits felony document fraud to obtain that job and takes the would be legal's chance away.

53 posted on 08/18/2004 11:51:51 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Once-Ler
Reagan never disassociated himself from his stance on immigration.

Total B.S. Read his farewell address to the nation when he left office. If you're to lazy to look it up, I'll find it (again) and post it.

When he granted amnesty, he wanted crackdowns on employers. Predictably, he ended up with the amnesty, but Congress rejected the other half. Remember the "shining city on a hill" part of his farewell address? The next sentence goes on to say "and if the city has to have walls..." (paraphrasing). It then goes on to say, that there should also be doors (obviously for legal immigrants).

Since you've called other people on this post "retards" among other things, genius, do you think he was talking about walls on the Eastern and Western seaboards?

He recognized the problem, tried to solve it, got screwed over, and realized the only solution.

54 posted on 08/18/2004 11:54:55 PM PDT by garandgal (Lord; please let our country survive the "worthless generation.")
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To: FITZ
They chose to come here illegally because waiting in line with those who choose to come here legally was just too much to ask.

As I wrote before, there are about 50,000 mexican immigrants granted visas each year. Their are over 10 million illegals mostly from Central America in the US. The businesses want them. They want to be here. It is only the knuckle dragging PaleoCons that prevent supply meeting demand. They are already here and working and supporting our system. All they want is a job. I have sympathy for them and I like the cheap labor. They are happy - I'm happy - It is a win win situation...except for the people who hate wetbacks.

Every argument I read for the "conservatives" is that the illegals are sucking up the milk from the government teat which rightfully belongs to legal leeches like me." Cry me a river now.

55 posted on 08/18/2004 11:57:21 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: All

Please send a polite email to the NYT's public editor and suggest they help Nina Bernstein improve her reporting skills:

1. These aren't "immigrants," they're illegal immigrants.

2. Why was this written from a pro-illegal immigration perspective?

3. Why did she get an interview with Margaret Stock, but not with, for instance, one of the Florida sheriffs who helped stop Jeb Bush's plan ( http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/001210.html ) or with the Commisioner of Minnesota's Department of Public Safety ( http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/000717.html )

4. Why didn't Nina Bernstein find one of those people whose SSNs had been used and present a sympathetic portrait of them?

5. Check out another one of Nina's magnum opies: "From Immigrants, Stories Of Scrutiny, and Struggle" http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=3744

That older story contains the following: "longtime immigrant workers who cannot prove that they are working legally"

This story contains this: "200,000 immigrants who cannot prove that they are here legally"


56 posted on 08/18/2004 11:59:02 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: NormsRevenge

Excellent!!!! The country club Republicans love this new class of imported serfs, their cheap labor. So let's keep them serfs.


57 posted on 08/18/2004 11:59:14 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: All

The NYT's public editor is at: public@nytimes.com


58 posted on 08/19/2004 12:00:26 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: Once-Ler
Congratulations. You have successfully regurgitated the idiotic mantra of the open borders crowd.
59 posted on 08/19/2004 12:01:04 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: garandgal
Total B.S. Read his farewell address to the nation when he left office. If you're to lazy to look it up, I'll find it (again) and post it.

I already posted an except from Reagan's farwell address in post 14, Einstien. I even bolded a section just for you.

Please do look it up again, and this time READ IT!

60 posted on 08/19/2004 12:01:12 AM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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