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Immigrants Face Loss of Licenses in ID Crackdown
NY Times ^ | 8/18/04 | Nina Bernstein

Posted on 08/18/2004 9:20:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Malesherbes
"I had no idea that denying drivers licenses to illegal aliens endangered national security."

Just listen to the liberals. You will learn something new every day. < /sarcasm >

21 posted on 08/18/2004 10:18:08 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: TheLion
We all want that....its the massive illegal migration we are against.

The US allows about 50,000 legal Mexican workers in the US. We have over 10 MILLION illegals in the US...mostly from central America. Do the math. The US has the jobs. Business wants the workers. Only the knuckle dragging PaleoCons who fear they will be excluded from their life long career in toilet cleaning are stoping Dubya from giving "illegal" workers with long histories of paying Social Security the chance to continue paying taxes.

22 posted on 08/18/2004 10:21:50 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Still, Luis said, there is no going back. In Ecuador, he and his wife were so desperate for work to support their children that they left them behind and walked much of the way to the United States.

FReepers, illegal immigration tears our nation apart, and tears illgal aliens families and marriages apart. No good comes from bad actions. Sooner or later they will need to get their home countries under control, (same as we do) and the sooner they begin - the better. For us; ditto.

23 posted on 08/18/2004 10:22:17 PM PDT by Libertina (Kerry: Unreliable in Vietnam, unfit for the White House.)
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To: All
Sigh. Where to begin?

Ms. Stock, who is also a lieutenant colonel in the military police of the Army Reserves, said there was a better chance of tracking a terrorist with a driver's license than one without.

So, naturally, terroists won't bother getting a license, like they didn't bother to learn how to land an aircraft.

Yet thousands of illegal immigrants denied driver's licenses will continue to drive, she said, and probably add to the number of hit-and-run accidents and uninsured drivers already on the road.

Has anyone actually proven this? Illegals with licenses won't hit and run but those without licenses will?

24 posted on 08/18/2004 10:22:45 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: asmith92008
They can get insurance in Mexico. That's just a BS excuse.

I agree. They can also get driver's licenses in Mexico.

25 posted on 08/18/2004 10:28:14 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: asmith92008
You are a criminal.

But Gloria, a Colombian woman who has lived in Queens since 1991, said she had not driven since the January day when her license was confiscated at the Whitestone motor vehicle office. She had been a licensed driver for 11 years, she said, selling Mary Kay cosmetics from her car to help support her daughter, an American citizen by birth, while working weekends as a baby-sitter for a family of lawyers living on Sutton Place in Manhattan.

"I feel humiliated because I think there's no reason to take it from me," she said. "I was a good driver; I never got a ticket for a red light or passed a stop sign. I always had insurance."

Death is too good for this criminal!!!

...and that is really the saddest thing about PaleoCons. They think the people who clean their toilets and pick their food are less than human when it is really the PaleoCons who have no human feelings for others. So guided by ideology they forgot how to feel.

I will not pray for you.

26 posted on 08/18/2004 10:29:29 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler
Only the knuckle dragging PaleoCons who fear they will be excluded from their life long career in toilet cleaning

So your real objective is to condemn these people to a lifetime of toilet cleaning? Or are you implying that these illegals will remain toilet cleaners if Bush would just grant them amnesty?

27 posted on 08/18/2004 10:30:28 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Designate - Infiltrate - Annihilate // Read my lips: More new taxes - John Kerry)
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To: VeniVidiVici
So your real objective is to condemn these people to a lifetime of toilet cleaning?

Way to twist my words. I don't look down on people who do hard work for little pay.

28 posted on 08/18/2004 10:32:16 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler

I didn't twist your words. That's what you said.

Basically, if these people remain illegals, toilets is about the best they can do. If they get amnesty, then they move up the economic ladder - albeit by ruining the chances of more deserving immigrants from across the globe.

Which means that these so-called "PaleoCons" may have an argument, correct?


29 posted on 08/18/2004 10:38:24 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Designate - Infiltrate - Annihilate // Read my lips: More new taxes - John Kerry)
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To: Once-Ler
Only the knuckle dragging PaleoCons who fear they will be excluded from their life long career in toilet cleaning are stoping Dubya from giving "illegal" workers with long histories of paying Social Security the chance to continue paying taxes.

Illegal aliens are working in many different fields of employment besides toilet cleaning. The majority of Americans don't believe in rewarding people who have violated our immigration laws. There are millions of foreigners around the world who are patiently waiting for their turn to legally immigrate to the United States. These are the people who should be rewarded with a green card, not the illegal aliens who have no respect for our laws.

30 posted on 08/18/2004 10:39:33 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Once-Ler
I never said that she should die. She should simply go to her own country instead of breaking the laws of our nation.

If I had my driver's license taken after stealing your car or some other crime, I doubt you would be so sympathetic. Why is it that some "conservatives" view illegally entering our country as a joke? Or whatever crimes would you wink at sine you have not forgotten how to feel?

I am proud to be a paleo-con in the Teddy Roosevelt tradition, when conservatism meant something other than being a puppet for business interests even at the expense of the national interest.
31 posted on 08/18/2004 10:41:27 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: Once-Ler

I don’t care if Regan did say it, he is wrong, The United States the result of English Colonization. You could say that we were started by immigrants, but we are not a county of immigrants, and have not been since approximately 1780. Did you not notice that the Constitution says that you have to be born here to be President? 90% of the people here were born here. We are a sovereign nation being INVADED by immigrants, to say other wise is liberal communist propaganda.


32 posted on 08/18/2004 10:51:03 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: VeniVidiVici
Basically, if these people remain illegals, toilets is about the best they can do.

They seem perfectly willing to accept low paying jobs. Do you fear a non-English speaking immigrant will take your job? If so I feel sad for you.

I think you're upset because I quoted Reagan and Reagan said the one issue illegal immigrant hating troglodytes are wrong. He gave amnesty to 6 million hard working illegals and didn't do anything to protect the losers who lost their jobs to uncultivated, unskilled, non-English speaking refuges from a 3rd world. Those losers are pathetic and only good for baking macaroni casseroles to pass around at the Constimatushunalist Party convention

33 posted on 08/18/2004 10:51:16 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler

Reagan also signed a quite liberal abortion bill in California that he later deeply regretted. He was a man and could be wrong. Quoting any politician like scripture makes you seem like the macaroni baking loser.


34 posted on 08/18/2004 10:58:29 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: Exton1
You could say that we were started by immigrants, but we are not a county of immigrants, and have not been since approximately 1780.

You know nothing of history. The Chinese built the railroad in the mid 1800's. Africans built much of the South. Texas and California were owned by Mexico until the mid 1800s.

For the first 100-125 years of America we had no INS or border security. Anyone who wanted to come here and get a job was welcome. About 100 years ago, in the middle of a global Great Depression, people like yourself became paranoid about the Chinese over running America and demanded limitations. Since that time the INS has regulated immigration. Not on the basis of need for workers, but which ethnic group we like the least.

35 posted on 08/18/2004 10:59:56 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler
Way to twist my words. I don't look down on people who do hard work for little pay.

However, you do look down and have contempt on those who spend years attempting to follow the law and get into this country legally. Every day tens of thousands of individuals are turned downed at American consulates around the world when they apply for an immigrants visa. They spend years waiting, and doing so legally. I know, I have a Russian wife who cries at night waiting for her daughter and grandsons right to immigrate. I know how she felt after waiting all day outside of our Moscow consulate attempting to secure a student visa. She saw over 500 people come out crying because of visa denials that day. My wife and I continue waiting while you cry crocodile tears for those who break our laws. I served six years on a Special Forces A-Team during Nam fighting for what is right, but you keep telling us about how illegals are treated harshly. Forgive me if I have contempt for your feelings.
36 posted on 08/18/2004 11:00:57 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: asmith92008
Reagan also signed a quite liberal abortion bill in California that he later deeply regretted.

Reagan never disassociated himself from his stance on immigration.

He was a man and could be wrong.

Sometimes he was right.

37 posted on 08/18/2004 11:01:52 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: asmith92008
If I had my driver's license taken after stealing your car or some other crime, I doubt you would be so sympathetic.

She didn't steal a car. She worked for a living and supported her mother and daughter you ****. Learn to read.

38 posted on 08/18/2004 11:04:24 PM PDT by Once-Ler (Proud Republican. and Bushbot.)
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To: Once-Ler
For the first 100-125 years of America we had no INS or border security

We also had no welfare state magnet and no social services. There was no incentive to remain here if there was no work, and there was no tax burden on the general population to support the families of immigrants.

39 posted on 08/18/2004 11:10:54 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: Once-Ler
She didn't steal a car. She worked for a living and supported her mother and daughter you ****. Learn to read.

You are the one who needs to learn how to read. He specifically said, "or some other crime." She stole a right which belonged to either a citizen or a legal immigrant.
40 posted on 08/18/2004 11:11:23 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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