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Bring it on, John (Ollie North)
Townhall ^ | August 27, 2004 | Oliver North

Posted on 08/26/2004 10:25:18 PM PDT by Elkiejg

"Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'" -- Sen. John Kerry

Dear John,

As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.

I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals as they deserved.

This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished."

Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.

But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.

When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities.

On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed."

And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners."

Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of you, John:

Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973.

Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.

John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?


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To: Elkiejg
Thank You OLIVER NORTH

You have said it better than anyone I have heard or read of since the Swifties had their first press appearance on C-SPAN.

The FACT that even today, the portraits of Kerry and Jane Fonda are revered in the War Ramnants Museum in Hanoi, make the quotes of the POW's that much more damning.
An apology would be appropriate, but sadly insufficient, in my opinion. You've NAILED IT, Major North!
41 posted on 08/26/2004 11:09:28 PM PDT by skeptoid
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To: Elkiejg



Positively thee best "dear John" letter ever written.


42 posted on 08/26/2004 11:13:57 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: Elkiejg

Great article. Go get em Ollie! I hope president Bush reads this.


43 posted on 08/26/2004 11:17:48 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: Elkiejg

Ollie is being too kind here. I heard him say that John Kerry personally lied about him (Ollie) in testimony before the Senate. (Iran-Contra)


44 posted on 08/26/2004 11:19:17 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: Elkiejg
Good words by the Colonel.

Now if John Mccain would get behind this it would attract a lot more national attention.

....I still say McCain should be driving a Budeweiser delivery route in Mesa.

45 posted on 08/26/2004 11:28:25 PM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
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To: Elkiejg
"Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

BINGO! Ollie tells it like it is.

46 posted on 08/26/2004 11:29:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Elkiejg

Wow...excellent!


47 posted on 08/26/2004 11:30:32 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: taxesareforever

Kerry calls a press conference to apologize:

"For the past several weeks, I, John Kerry, have been the victim of a cruel, dishonest, and dishonorable smear campaign against my record in Vietnam. This smear campaign was orchestrated by George Bush & Karl Rove, as has been documented by independent and non-partisan organizations ranging from the New York Times to MoveOn.org. There are those who say I should have ignored these scurrilous attacks on my honor and dignity, but if there is one thing I learned as a Swiftboat commander in Vietnam, it is the importance of charging directly into enemy fire. In Vietnam, I was a leader of a band of brothers. Of the millions of Americans who served there, only 254 have joined the so-called Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, and none of those 254 served on my swiftboat for the entire period I was there. None were present on all three occasions when I won purple hearts. I still have shrapnel in my leg from one of those incidents. None were in any position to see absolutely everything that occurred on the occasions when I won my silver and bronze stars.

In addition to the Bush campaign attacking my war record, I have been smeared for my testimony at a 1971 congressional hearing where I defended my band of brothers by exposing what others had said about them. I told the committee that there were allegations that American soldiers cut off heads, burned down villages, and ravaged the countryside like the armies of Genghis Khan. I made it clear at the time that these were allegations made by others, and in any event it was the fault of Richard Nixon if such incidents occurred. Yet, the Republican smear campaign has tried to put words in my mouth. Having fought in Vietnam, commanded a swiftboat under intense enemy fire, led a band of brothers, won numerous awards, including three purple hearts, and still carrying shrapnel in my leg, I know a smear operation when I see one. The Republican smear is ironically similar to one launched against me by the Vietcong. Recognizing my effectiveness as a fighter, and fearing me, they took my speech out of context and broadcasted it to American prisoners of war in a blatant attempt to turn them against me.

I have also been smeared with an allegation that I met in Paris with Vietcong leaders and supported their demand for U.S. capitulation and reparations. In fact, I was visiting Paris on a vacation. As many of you know, I speak fluent French, which was a great benefit to me when commanding a Swiftboat in Vietnam, a former French colony. And, I might add, that during my tenure as a Swiftboat commander, I received a silver star, a bronze star, three purple hearts, and was regarded as a hero by my band of brothers. While in Paris, I learned of the Vietcong meeting and, through my many connections with foreign leaders....who, by the way, support my candidacy because they recognize the dangerous unilateral and un-nuanced nature of the Bush foreign policy.....I found out what was going on and reported it when I came back to America. As with my congressional testimony, I was merely reporting what I had heard. I did this to help the CIA, with whom I had developed a close relationship during secret black ops activities in Cambodia.

Despite all I have done for my country, I find myself under continuous, scurrilous, and....as Senator McCain has called it....dishonest and dishonorable attack. I thus apologize to all those veterans who have been misled about my record. I'm sorry I did not respond sooner to the attacks on my record. Perhaps I should have, but if there's anything I learned during my secret operations in Cambodia, it's that sometimes it's best to remain quiet. Unfortunately, I am now facing an opponent more depraved and ugly than the Khmer Rouge, namely the Karl Rove smear machine.

I hope that with this apology we can now return to the real issues of this campaign, such as how George Bush was AWOL from the National Guard."


48 posted on 08/26/2004 11:30:56 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: Elkiejg
Wow! What an exceptionally eloquent evisceration of Ketchup Boy!

WTG, LTC North!

49 posted on 08/26/2004 11:31:53 PM PDT by SAJ (Today is optimum. Write LBX 460 or 470-strike calls.. About 14% roc with expectation > .94)
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To: SAJ

Am I the only guy who thinks we won the Vietnam War?

US versus North Vietnam was settled right after Tet, where the Viet Cong became an extinct species.

The real war was with Soviet Russia.

A country I can't seem to find on the map anymore.


50 posted on 08/26/2004 11:37:08 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: Elkiejg

BUMP


51 posted on 08/26/2004 11:37:30 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: FairOpinion
Hanoi Jane Fonda did apologize she claimed she was a born again Christian. That is when she said it. But she has given money to Max Cleland, Hillary Clinton and lots more Democrats. So her apologize mean nothing to all the Nam Vets. She is doing the same thing now but with her money.
52 posted on 08/26/2004 11:44:57 PM PDT by ducks1944 (GOD BLESS THE USA ! !)
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To: Elkiejg

Ping Ollie!


53 posted on 08/26/2004 11:49:08 PM PDT by MarineBrat
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To: jeffers
No quarrel at all, at least from a military standpoint.

Perhaps the most accurate assessment might be (just a thought):

We won every battle, but Hanoi Jane and Hanoi John and their fellow-travelling filth ensured that we gave up the war.

As to the late and unlamented USSR (or, CCCP in Russian orthography), gdye-nyebood? Nikogda, nichyevo, tozhe nye vazhno. (I await with great trepidation the correction of my horridly rusty grammar by RussianConservative or others). Nonetheless, ''Bye, bye, baby'' doesn't **really** translate well from American.

FReegards to you!

54 posted on 08/26/2004 11:52:29 PM PDT by SAJ (Today is optimum. Write LBX 460 or 470-strike calls.. About 14% roc with expectation > .94)
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To: puroresu

Great job. I have a little to add:

I hope that with this apology we can now return to the real issues of this campaign, namely if I am elected to be commander in chief will I remember which button to push in case of nuclear war.


55 posted on 08/26/2004 11:52:36 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: taxesareforever

LOL!

I find it hard to imagine Kerry having the capacity to apologize. He's arrogance personified.


56 posted on 08/26/2004 11:55:44 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: Elkiejg

"Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. -- John 8:32"

There is one way for the truth to get out. The Swift Vets need donations to buy more time for their tv ads. We must support them like we support Free Republic with some of our treasure loaned to us by God. The link below can be used for the first or repea donations for the Truth.

https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets


57 posted on 08/26/2004 11:55:53 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Elkiejg

Go Ollie!!


58 posted on 08/26/2004 11:56:47 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Strip mining prevents forest fires.)
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To: puroresu

Kerry, like all liberals consider apologizing a weakness and so they don't do it. In Kerry's case, he knows if he apologizes any chance he had of being elected is history. Therefore he will continue to spend his time demanding a apology from Bush, for anything. I don't think its going to happen. At least I hope it doesn't. Kerry might as well recess to his room and start writing his new book: "My 4 months of Running a Losing Campaign, even though I had a Silver Star,a Bronze Star and 3 purple hearts".


59 posted on 08/27/2004 12:04:06 AM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: kenth
I agree that Kerry will issue a non-apologetic apology (like a non-denial denial) along the lines of "I'm sorry if anyone allowed himself to get offended at anything I said" variety.

Then the media will say "End of story, Kerry apologized." But the Swifties will be madder than ever, and the story will not be over. Even in making this statement, Kerry won't be able to keep from stepping in it again.
60 posted on 08/27/2004 12:12:17 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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