Posted on 08/27/2004 2:01:17 PM PDT by Cincinna
November 2001 plane crash (A A flight 587) Queens, NY was AL QAIDA operation
Stewart Bell National Post ( CANADA)
August 27, 2004
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.
The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."
The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."
Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.
The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.
"Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."
Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.
EgyptAir flight 990, October, 1999 - out of Kennedy airport. Which was the destination for the Pan Am flight which blew up over Lockerbie. The two crashes are connected.
Of course there were not any Navy ships nearby that carried missiles capable of shooting down an airliner but facts never seem to get in the way of a good TWA-800 conspiracy. (If there had been, someone on the ship would have talked sooner or later, even if it was anonymously to some reporter.)
As for why there could have been fire near the tail, the A300-600R carries fuel in the tail. A leak from a punctured tank could have ignited or just a stream of fuel alone could appeared to be smoke coming from the aircraft.
If I recall correctly, there were eyewitnesses that said before the crash they saw a ball of fire, or something like that!
Agreed.
R4E, you are correct. Also, Flight 587 went down in Queens a little over a week after Mike Moran said on stage at the NY Tribute to the Firefighters and police, "Hey, Osama, I live in Rockway, Queens, you can come kiss my royal Irish a**" or at least that's pretty close from memory.
That was the conspiracy until 9/11, and then basically instantly and without comment, the conspiracy nutters all universally changed the conspiracy from the Navy accidentally shooting it down to a terrorist missle shooting it down.
There was an eyewitness to the crash in the plane that took off after AA 587 that saw no fire and explosion; the idea that all the eyewitnesses saw a fire and explosion is false; it's just that the various sites like Wingnut Daily and the like only focused on certain ones.
Also, there wasn't a scrap of floating debris from the cabin (seats, luggage and luggage contents, etc.) in Jamaica Bay; had there been a cabin or cargo hold bomb explosion that stuff would have been all over the place.
The first thing to fall off, and the thing closest to the airport debris-wise, was the tail.
I'm not sure why it was taped..perhaps due to that legless cleric that was visiting Osama that day.
I remember it happening to some plane in ... Chicago? In the 70s? Somebody got a picture of it right after, and before it reached the ground -- you could tell by the attitude (orientation) of the plane in the photo that it was in big trouble...
What do I know about bombs...I stand corrected..thank you!:)
Yes! You're right! It's on the CD "Concert for NYC".
The one in Detroit you're talking about I'm assuming was Northwest flight 255 which crashed just after takeoff. The cause of that crash was easily determined. The crew did not set the flaps and slats for takeoff. The result was that the aircraft could not achieve enough lift to climb and struck several light poles and finally a building. Only one person, a 4 year old girl, survived the crash.
The crash in Newfoundland was Arrow Airways flight 163, a DC-8-63. While it might seem absurd that someone in such a place a Newfoundland could have either forgotten to deice the aircraft, or did a crappy job, icing had caused more than just that crash. Usually it has been in places where ice is a common problem but people simply got careless.
Many air disasters have been caused by human error, usually simple carelessness.
And what kind of missile would that be?
And don't say Stinger as TWA800 was almost out of effective range of the Stinger and its warhead would have at most blown off an engine.
When we could know for sure, why this endless speculation about these plan crashes?
Just about every store you walk into has a camera on a recored loop. Why don't they put these in the airliners? They would have there answer with no guess work.
I believe that was long after the war in Afghanstan.. actually I believe it was in one of the video's after Tora Bora.. one they used to claim Osama was still alive.
This has been the only American plane to crash since 9/11 and it occurred only a month later before most of the new security measures were put into place
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