Skip to comments.ATTN KERRY CAMPAIGN : Edwards COULD have served during Vietnam BUT didn't.
Posted on 09/04/2004 9:52:57 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Kerry continued the assault Friday at a rally in Newark, Ohio, slamming Cheney for avoiding military service during Vietnam.
He told the crowd, "I'll let you and the American people decide whether five deferments makes you more 'unfit' than two tours of duty."
John Edwards COULD have served during Vietnam BUT didn't.
Instead he went to college from '70-'74
"...A proud product of public schools, John became the first person in his family to attend college. He worked his way through North Carolina State University where he graduated with high honors in 1974, and then earned a law degree with honors in 1977 from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. .."
1) Are you going to dump Edwards as your VP
because he didn't serve when he could have?
2) How's Al Hubbard now-a-days?
Is he getting ready to hit your campaign trail?
3) Is it true Jane Fonda is coming out to?
LOL Graphic is a howl!!
"I'll let you and the American people decide whether five deferments makes you more 'unfit' than two tours of duty."
GRIDLEY Crew members (67-68) say Kerry exaggerated in TOUR OF DUTY
"...John Kerry and I were shipmates in the guided missile cruiser USS
Gridley (CG-21) in 1967 and 1968. He served as First Lieutenant, the
officer in charge of the deck division, and I was Executive Officer,
or second in command..."
"...But there is also no doubt in my mind that his anti-war
activities while our troops were still fighting, dying and being
tortured in filthy Vietnam prisons were despicable.
For that reason, even aside from his anti-defense voting record in
the Senate, he is one ex-shipmate that I could never support as
commander-in-chief of the armed forces."
J. F. Kelly, Jr.
USS Gridley (CG-21) Executive Officer in 1967 and 1968.
GRIDLEY Website page on John Kerry
Other crew members speak about John Kerry
(Looks like Kerry's shipmates, who did serve with him,
say he lied and told whoopers about his time on the GRIDLEY.
Remember these are not Swift Boat Vets,
BUT Kerry's crewmates who served with him on the GRIDLEY)
"As everyone must surely know by now, John F. Kerry came on board
GRIDLEY as a boot Ensign when we returned from our 1967 Westpac
Cruise. He remained on GRIDLEY through the 1968 cruise. Politics
aside, shipmates of the time who have read TOUR OF DUTY, the
authorized campaign biography, will have something to say about the
chapter on GRIDLEY. "
1. Kerry never talked about his time on GRIDLEY. He says on page
74 that it is because nothing much of note happened while
onboard. He uses words like monotony and tedious, when, despite
being a boot ensign he was given every opportunity for responsibility
by Captain Slifer and Commander Kelly (XO). He came aboard
designated for Electrical Officer (80100), a grunt position in the
Engineering Department and spent four months in that position. He
was assigned duty as First Lieutenant, as Commander Kelly recalls,
because of his knowledge of seamanship and his experiences with small
boats and sailing. Besides being responsible for the decks of the
ship, the First Lieutenant is also responsible for the ships
boats. He also was assigned collateral duties as Public Affairs
Officer. Despite all the responsibilities he was given, he gives the
impression that serving on GRIDLEY was somehow beneath him. He
certainly had less of an opportunity to collect gongs there.
2. Page 78 motivate 400 swabbies The First
responsible only for the personnel of 1st Division, not the entire
crew. 1st Division had a roster of about 30 in 1968. To the extent
that other divisions had responsibility for deck space, their
officers would have been responsible for motivating them.
3. Page 87 has Kerry shuttling sailors and provisions
GRIDLEY and KITTY HAWK in a small motor whaleboat out in the Gulf of
Tonkin. The regular method of travel between the two ships was via
helo. That is how I went over to the KITTY HAWK. If such an event
did occur, it would have been unusual and hardly a shuttle.
4. Later on page 87 Kerry talks about Olongapo in the Philippines.
He talks about bloated corpses floating in the river and starving
women with babies dying of malnutrition. Now Olongapo was a wild and
wooly town that existed solely for the entertainment of the US Navy,
but in over three years of calling there, I never saw a single
instance of either thing happening. Kerry uncovered this in his
first visit. If this was from his letters home then he was certainly
writing for dramatic effect. Balderdash.
5. The trip to Danang GRIDLEY went into Danang for briefings
before going to Northern SAR. This section is so full of hyperbole
that the urge to giggle is almost uncontrollable. The panic and
pressure onboard GRIDLEY, strapping on a .45, wondering if I would
have to use it, B-52s howling overhead. A B-52 over Danang
have been so high that only contrails would have been visible, cloud
cover permitting. David Simons confirmed my recollection that during
our brief stay in Danang Harbor, the sky was overcast to the point of
More seriously, no one can remember John Kerry going ashore. I was
part of the shore party that went to Monkey Mountain. We were taken
in a screened in truck (to protect against grenades being tossed in)
and made to unload our .45s. The driver said that he did not
us newbies to shoot anyone by accident.
Neither Commander Kelly nor LCDR Rueckert (Kerrys immediate
can recall approving a trip ashore for Ensign Kerry. The author uses
remarks of David Simons IC2 as a lead in to the Danang section. I
spoke to David and he has no personal knowledge of Kerry going ashore
at all. He did talk to a researcher and made some generic remarks
about Danang but had never discussed Danang with Kerry. He recalls
arguing with the researcher because he tried to put the
words cowboy in his mouth, which ended up in the book.
There is no mystery about the gruesome site of a pile of dead
We saw no sign of anything like this. However, our escort to Monkey
Mountain did tell us how the VC bodies were stacked up on the
after the TET Offensive, which had been several months before.
Ensign Kerry would have been told this story by members of the shore
If, indeed, he got to the pier, because he was in charge of the
motor whaleboat, it certainly would not have been within his purview
to wander Danang, eating dog meat and drinking beer in a bar (under
arms). It also seems amazing that he had all these observations on
Vietnam in such a brief visit.
6. In command Again with the hyperbole. Kerry makes much
being in charge of the ship after the Captain and XO. The
in charge of the operation of the ship during his four hour watch but
hardly in charge of the ship. Kerry qualified almost immediately as
OOD(P), in port OOD but that is a given. For much of his time
onboard he would have been Junior Officer of the Deck when underway.
Although his fitness report as of 22 March says "he is qualified as
OOD(I) now" (Independent steaming with no ships or land
near) , only OOD(P) is listed under duties. His Fitness Report from
July 1968 lists two months as OOD(I) which would mean he qualified
after leaving the war zone.
I'll bet when Kerry was in school he never did any homework.
He keeps attacking on topics that require homework, like
the Bush 7 minutes (vs. the Kerry 40, and the Roosevelt
18), and the Cheney/Edwards deferments.
This is either more of the narcissism (any idea I have is
a foolproof great idea), or the Clinton-supplied saboteurs
are feeding him booby-trapped suggestions (and snickering).
Any word on how Edwards' college scholorship fell through??
Oh and as for Cheney .. isn't he older then Kerry ??
I don't have the answers to your questions.
BUT I know that the Vietnam war was going on in 1970,
when Edwards went to college.
Remember Kent State?
Although Kerry voted against the "motion", I think it's noteworthy enough that the American public should know that he was involved with a group that considered this heinous act.
Maube it's a combination of A + B LOL
Thanks for the ping!
"Thanks, Tonk! Didn't even think about Breck girls potential non-service to our country!"
To be perfectly honest I looked up Edwards bio on the net
and there it was.
Kerry "homework" is equivalent to Kennedy "homework". Someone else always does it for them.
"4) When is the mainstream media going to get the facts out there about Kerry's connection with the VVAW, in relation to their meetings and agenda to assassinate 6 US Senators??"
Now lets be fair, only one or two "bomb shells" at a time! LOL
PS There is plenty of "ammo"
Yep. Good catch.
Edwards could have served the last 2 years, even longer than Kerry had served.
According to Kerry, he's not fit to be commander either. So, if anything were to happen to Kerry, the country would have no president. That leaves Kerry/Edwards off the ticket as viable candidates - according to Kerry.
Yes I know .. my oldest brother graduated from high school in 70
plus Kerry, and Hubbard "negotiating" in Paris...
Tonk's right...lots of ammo. Keep hammering Tonk.
ABC is the source. How can this be? I thought Kerry had them in his pocket. 8-)
Let's see if I can keep this straight...
George H.W. Bush -- WWII vet-- So what
Dan Quayle -- National Guard -- Bad
Bill Clinton --Draft Dodger --Good
Al Gore -- military journalist -- So what
Bob Dole -- WWII vet -- So what
George W. Bush -- National Guard --Bad
Dick Cheney -- Draft Dodger --Bad
John Kerry -- confessed war criminal -- Good
John Edwards -- Draft Dodger -- So what
I have a headache.
You know what Tonk, I am amazed that this one slipped by me, or for that matter, virtually everyone. Now that you brought it up, it seems so obvious. What was Edwards doing between 70-74?
Actually, he's going to be in my small hometown (Chillicothe, Ohio) on Tuesday. If can make it from work in time to make it to his "courthouse appearance", I might have to pull off a one woman FReep to ask Breckboy where he was during those years...:)
The upside is that President Bush will be here Friday to clear the air.
Can you point me to the information about Roosevelt?
You and me both......
But on the upside, would we even be having this conversation if not for FR? The truth is out there, and for so many years we have been considered "the silent majority".
Well, I guess we're not so silent anymore.
Yes, Edwards could have served. I joined the Army in Sept. 73 and I am a Vietnam Era Veteran who served 3 years in South Korea. I am also from North Carolina with a son in Iraq, and I think the Kerry attack on Cheney should also include why Mr. Edwards did not serve.
That's what I'd like to know, too.
The "band of brothers" sKerry denigrated his former comrades in arms and his nation with no doubt far out number Rasmussen-the-fag-beater and the other few guys he's given several months of free travel to in order to exploit them for his personal ambition.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Thanks for your service to our country.
The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.-Albert Einstein
> Can you point me to the information about Roosevelt?
Not yet. In a couple of days, the FR articles with that
content should be detected by Yahoo/Google, and you can
The limited title search on FR was no help.
John Kerry : You paying attention?
Many, Many ghosts have been awaken and have come to haunt you.
The Fallen Brothers and Sisters that you helped the VC kill
and the Fallen Brothers and Sisters who helped commit suicide
and/or die from injuries you caused are calling you.
Listen Closely John, Listen Closely!
Repent now and save your soul!
This is your last chance. to save your soul.
Remember the person you used to be.
Remeber when you knew what honor was.
OR YOU WILL HEAR THEIR VOICES FOREVER!
Every time one of these "Band of Brothers" shows up some place to shill for him, somebody should be asking if they witnessed the war crimes Kerry claims they committed. We will see one of four results:
1. "Yes, we destroyed innocent villages." A lie, a 2004 attack on the Viet vets (goodbye "35 years ago" argument) and when the other Swifties counter, the SBVFT get more free pub.
2. "No, but [fill in excuse for kerry to stab our troops in the back here]." Contradicts Kerry, highlights and debunks '71 testimony.
3. "You don't get to ask me that, or question Kerry's patriotism, you weren't in Vietnam, yada, yada, yada..." Pathetic, and exactly what has gotten Kerry in trouble. Makes the hole in the hull a little bigger...
4. "I'm bailing." If the BoB have to stand with the war crimes testimony, they may jump ship. Who needs this crap, and if they were in it for something noble, they wouldn't be backing Kerry.
Somebody needs to ask Rassman: "The Kerry campaign now says your rescue by John Kerry didn't happen as you said it did. Do you feel your honor has been slighted by Kerry after you did so much to help his campaign? Do you feel that he has metaphorically left you to sink or swim on your own?"
How about a few other little comparisons.
Bush spent ONE YEAR training
Kerry spent 1 month
Bush got rave reviews for being a leader - all his superiors wanted to fly with him
Kerry got less than stellar reviews - superiors didn't like his arrogant attitude - one guy (can't remember his name) refused to work with Kerry - saying he was incompetent
Bush had to sign up for SIX YEARS in order to fly jets
Kerry was only required to spend 1 year in Vietnam - but he only lasted 4 months - getting his 3 purple hearts and bugging out.
... questions to be asked...
Take a look at these three short video clips, especially the last one. You will walk away with a heavy heart.
-Here-- is a link to page full of video and audio links.
"Stolen Honor" is at the top.
Al Gore--Military Journalist w/military babysitters in attendance
"Any word on how Edwards' college scholorship fell through??"
Edwards played high-school football and went on to become the first person in his family to go to college.
He enrolled at Clemson University but dropped out in his first year, after a football scholarship fell through (to slow as a player) and he didn't have the money to continue. The next year he started at North Carolina State, graduating in 1974. That was quickly followed by a law degree from the University of North Carolina in 1977 and marriage to feloow lawyer Elizabeth Anania.
And how is Adam Walinsky? Can't forget about him! And Jan Crumb/aka Jan Barry.
Have you seen this petition? Maybe you could ping it???
It wouldn't help at all.
We need to let him sink on Nov 2
That toast is in a jam...or that jam is toasted
Or something like that. Either way, that is a great graphic!
From what I've understood, Edwards' father wasn't blue-collar in that mill. He sure seems to want to portray him in that light.
Any lie for mileage.
Edwards DOB: 10 Jun 53
RESULTS FROM LOTTERY FOR MEN FACING THE DRAFT IN 1973
The lottery drawing held February 2, 1972, determined the order in which men born in 1953 were called to report for induction into the military.
This lottery was conducted for men who would have been called in 1973; however, no new draft orders were issued after 1972.
Oh yeah. If the way he wind surf's is any indication, he's gonna sink quickly! :)
Cheney- born 1/31/1940