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Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers
WinterSoldier.com ^ | September 6, 2004 | Scott Swett

Posted on 09/06/2004 8:32:59 PM PDT by Interesting Times

My name is Steve Pitkin, age 20, from Baltimore. I served with the 9th Division from May of '69 until I was airvaced in July of '69. I'll testify about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel, destruction of villages, indiscriminate use of artillery, the general racism and the attitude of the American GI toward the Vietnamese. I will also talk about some of the problems of the GIs toward one another and the hassle with officers.

-- Steve Pitkin, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971.

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Steve Pitkin never intended to speak at the Winter Soldier Investigation. He agreed to come to Detroit with John Kerry and Scott Camil in January of 1971 mostly to support his fellow veterans, but also to see David Crosby and Graham Nash perform and hopefully meet a few girls. He didn’t really have any place else to go.

Unlike most members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Pitkin had seen combat in Vietnam. He was caught in a mortar attack shortly after arriving in country as a Private First Class, and suffered minor wounds to both legs. During the months that followed his injuries became infected and "jungle rot" set in. He was eventually medivaced to an Army hospital in Okinawa, where the doctors gave him anti-fungals and antibiotics, and managed to save his feet. Specialist Pitkin would leave the Army with a Purple Heart, an honorable discharge, and a lifetime case of hepatitis C from the transfusions.

Back in the States, Pitkin did not receive a hero's welcome. At Travis Air Force Base in California he was showered with feces thrown by anti-war protestors. Later, while he waited in his Class A uniform for a plane at San Francisco International Airport, people stopped to snarl obscenities and occasionally spit. Even a World War II veteran paused to come over and call him a coward. He went back home to Baltimore, but it wasn’t home any more. Steve Pitkin was 19 years old.

"I was in bad shape," Pitkin recalls. "My family was against the war, and so were all my old friends. I had things I wanted to say, but there was nobody to listen. I was angry at our government which should have known better than to let us die in a conflict it had no intention of winning, and I was furious at the American media for making us out to be baby-killers and telling lies about what they saw."

Confused and depressed, Pitkin signed up for classes at Catonsville Community College outside of Baltimore. There he met Scott Camil, who was talking up a new organization he described as a "brotherhood" of Vietnam veterans. Pitkin started going to Vietnam Veterans Against the War meetings at the campus, hoping to find some people he could talk to about his experiences. Pitkin says he "had no inkling" that VVAW leaders were meeting with North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives, or that the VVAW consistently supported their positions. He thought the VVAW was just an alternative to older organizations such as the VFW, where so many Vietnam vets felt unwelcome.

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In January of 1971, Pitkin was invited to go to Detroit for the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation," a national conference intended to convince the public that American troops were routinely committing war crimes in Vietnam. "I was just going to show support for the guys who were already picked out to testify," said Pitkin. "Fighting in the war was terrible enough -– I shot people -- but I never saw any atrocities against civilians. The Vietcong hung up tribal chiefs and disemboweled them in front of their own families –- they did that to their own people. I never saw Americans do anything like that."

The Baltimore contingent met up with other VVAW members in Washington, where they were loaded into rental vans with no back seats. It was freezing cold in Pitkin's van, and Kerry and Camil -– the two former officers -- were in the front where all the heat was, which made for a long drive. Pitkin was unimpressed with the tall, aloof Kerry, who rarely spoke to anyone other than the organization’s leaders, and tagged Kerry with the nickname "Lurch" after the Addams Family TV character. The ragtag group eventually made it to Detroit, got lost for a while, and then spent the night at somebody's house. The conference was held at a Howard Johnson’s motel, in a room Pitkin remembers as having big concrete posts and no windows, with press lights glaring down on the participants. An entourage of VVAW leaders and reporters always surrounded John Kerry, who, Pitkin thought, looked like he was running for President.

Pitkin watched for a day or so while his fellow VVAW members told stories about horrible things they claimed to have done or witnessed in Vietnam. He noticed other people, civilians, going around to the VVAW members and "bombarding them, laying on the guilt," as they told the veterans they had committed unspeakable crimes, but could make amends by testifying against the war.

On the second day of the conference, Pitkin was surrounded by a group of the event's leaders, who said they needed more witnesses and wanted him to speak. Pitkin protested that he didn’t have anything to say. Kerry said, "Surely you had to have seen some of the atrocities." Pitkin insisted that he hadn't, and the group's mood turned menacing. One of the other leaders leaned in and whispered, "It’s a long walk back to Baltimore." Pitkin finally agreed to "testify." The Winter Soldier leaders told Pitkin exactly what they wanted -– stories about rape, brutality, shooting prisoners, and racism. Kerry assured him that "the American people will be grateful for what you have to say."

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Many of the vets, particularly the vets participating in this panel, have expressed the fact that they could go on and on for a long time, talking about various instances of brutality, torture, rape, everything that's been talked about here for the last two days. But one thing they felt was very important and which hasn't, in a sense, been done by many of the veterans was to say why this happened. What happens to them that this happens and how these things came about. Steve Pitkin in particular felt the need to try and express something about how these men become animals in a sense. I know several of the other vets on the panel want to mention it very briefly. So Steve why don't you start off?

-- Moderator, Miscellaneous Panel, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971 [Note: the moderators for this session were VVAW founder Jan Crumb and Executive Committee member John Kerry]

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Pitkin appears several times in the documentary film "Winter Soldier," where he comes across as vague and somewhat stunned, especially while being questioned by John Kerry in a preliminary interview. He seems overwhelmed at having to relive his harrowing experiences in Vietnam. But Steve Pitkin says today that what the film actually shows are his efforts to avoid answering Kerry’s questions at all.

During the formal hearings, Pitkin started to slam the press for misrepresenting what GIs really did in Vietnam, but a woman he believes was Jane Fonda shot him an astonished look and started to stand up. Steve could see other members of the group getting ready to cut him off, so he changed course and made up a few things he thought they would be willing to accept. "Everything I said about atrocities and racism was a lie. My unit never went out with the intention of doing anything but its job. And I never saw black soldiers treated differently, get picked out for the worst or most dangerous jobs, or anything like that. There were some guys, shirkers, who would intentionally injure themselves to get sent home, so I talked about that for a while. But the fact is I lied my ass off, and I'm not proud of it. I didn't think it would ever amount to anything."

After the 3-day conference ended, everybody piled back into the vans and headed home. Nobody had much to say to Pitkin. A month or two later he was contacted by a reporter for Life Magazine who asked about war crimes and atrocities. "I didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear," said Pitkin. Nothing he said was included in the final story.

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In April, Steve Pitkin went down to Washington to check out the VVAW's weeklong "Dewey Canyon III" protest, where he "ran into a lot of guys who couldn’t answer questions about what unit they were in." At one point he met up with leftist icon Jerry Rubin, who was wrapped in a Vietcong flag. Pitkin told him to take it off. Rubin shrugged, dropped the flag, and walked away. Pitkin and two or three like-minded veterans formed a patrol, confiscating Vietcong flags and T-shirts from protestors and daring them to start something. Nobody took them up on it.

Pitkin was present for the infamous "medal toss" event on Friday, where VVAW members yelled obscenities and threats against the government into a microphone, then threw military decorations and papers over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. A guy with long hair stood nearby holding a bag filled with military ribbons and a few medals, handing them out. Pitkin noticed that most of the decorations weren't right for Vietnam combat veterans -– some, in fact, were from the Korean War -– and overheard remarks that the VVAW had cleaned out the local Army-Navy stores the day before. Disgusted, he grabbed a handful of ribbons and threw them, not at the Capitol, but at the throng of reporters crowding close to the microphone, and stalked away.

After Dewey Canyon III, Pitkin was no longer invited to VVAW meetings or events, which was fine with him. He soon went back into the military, joining the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, and graduating from paratrooper "jump school" with honors in 1976, but was unable to get back on full time active duty in the Army. Pitkin joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until his retirement in May 1997.

Steve Pitkin wants to apologize to Vietnam veterans for what he did and said at the Winter Soldier Investigation. "The VVAW found me during a difficult time in my life, and I let them use me to advance their political agenda. They pressured me to tell their lies, but that's no excuse for what I did. I just want people to know the truth and to make amends as best I can. I'd hate to see the troops serving today have to go through what Vietnam veterans did."

Scott Swett
September 6, 2004
WinterSoldier.com

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Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

Steve Pitkin DD-214

Steve Pitkin WSI testimony

Steve Pitkin WSI video clips -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB)


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Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam during the 1971 Winter Soldier Investigation.
1 posted on 09/06/2004 8:33:00 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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Kerry and the Vets pingaroo...


3 posted on 09/06/2004 8:36:04 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: secretagent

Your own personal ping.


4 posted on 09/06/2004 8:36:41 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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mega-ping


5 posted on 09/06/2004 8:36:44 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


6 posted on 09/06/2004 8:38:52 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Pinger lists if you may...major news!


7 posted on 09/06/2004 8:39:03 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Interesting Times
KERRY’S VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR WERE IN DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NORTH VIETNAMESE AND VIET CONG COMMUNISTS COORDINATING ANTI-WAR ACTIVITIES IN AMERICA

Kerry and his ilk were in direct communications with the Communists and coordinating anti-war activities in America. Go here FBI FILES and check out pages 21 through 25 for proof.

Kerry betrayed America, he betrayed his fellow Vietnam Veterans, and he betrayed our POW’s and their families.

KERRY also went to Paris and met with the Communist North Vietnamese and the Communist Viet Cong representatives to discuss how America should surrender. KERRY then came back to America and went on TV to spew the Communist’s propaganda. KERRY IS A TRAITOR TO AMERICA.

8 posted on 09/06/2004 8:39:41 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: Interesting Times
Even a World War II veteran paused to come over and call him a coward.

There is a special place in hell for that man.

9 posted on 09/06/2004 8:40:14 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (If the Cambodia "lie" 100% discredits John O'Neill, what do 50 Cambodia lies do for Kerry?)
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To: Interesting Times

10 posted on 09/06/2004 8:40:30 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Yes, there's still time to buy my book.)
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Amazing story here!


12 posted on 09/06/2004 8:43:03 PM PDT by Rabid Dog (Make a difference in your community - Join your local Free Republic Chapter!)
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To: Interesting Times

This is a bombshell!
Finally, someone that was there is coming out and telling another side of this story.

Thanks IT for getting it out there.
Thanks to Steve Pitkin for coming forward. He is a brave one.


13 posted on 09/06/2004 8:44:01 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Interesting Times

I have a dream that one day, after this election and Kerry loses, we can put the Vietnam Era to rest with Honors. And John Kerry can move to France never to be heard from again.


15 posted on 09/06/2004 8:44:52 PM PDT by rineaux (hardcore for W04)
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To: Interesting Times

His is a really sad story. He was rejected by his family and friends- even by strangers. It is awful to think about the way Vietnam vets were treated on their return. No wonder so many of them have had problems.
I applaud his apology, though. He can't undo the cruelty shown to him but he can correct the misstatements made years ago through VVAW.


16 posted on 09/06/2004 8:45:34 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Interesting Times

I believe him, but if he gets traction, Kerry & Co. will say that no one should trust an admitted liar.


17 posted on 09/06/2004 8:45:47 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: Bahbah; Utah Girl; Howlin; PhiKapMom

Look what Interesting Times has dug up!

Please pass on as you see fit.


18 posted on 09/06/2004 8:45:53 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: Interesting Times
Kerry said, "Surely you had to have seen some of the atrocities." Pitkin insisted that he hadn't, and the group's mood turned menacing. One of the other leaders leaned in and whispered, "It’s a long walk back to Baltimore."

This bears repeating..

19 posted on 09/06/2004 8:46:22 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Bizzy Bugz; Apple Pan Dowdy; Bush_Democrat

Don't miss Interesting Times latest research.


22 posted on 09/06/2004 8:50:12 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT!!!!!


23 posted on 09/06/2004 8:50:32 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: Interesting Times

Kerry and crew used the 'lost boys'...convinced them 'he would speak for them'...when he just needed cannon fodder for his own little Marxist war....and to legtimize himself with the American left..

Kerry convinced Washington that he had 'an army' of disaffected Vietnam combat vets backing him up...and got some power thrown his way...

Later Kerry went to Vietnam having convinced the familes of POWs, MIAs that only he was trustworthy enough to find out 'the truth'...another Kerry lie...he used the familes..widows and orphans to further his agenda and to broker a deal with the NVA and VC

Kerry sold out the POWs MIAs and their familes that his Forbes cousing get considerations in real estate from the communists...all he had to do is come back to America and give the families the offical Hanoi line.....That there were no POWs MIAs in Vietnam.....

Kerry has been betraying veterans ever since and will continue to do so if elected..

imo


24 posted on 09/06/2004 8:51:09 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Interesting Times
AS an ex-Braindead Liberal, this pisses me off to no end. The lying puke makes me want to scream. I believed those lies and wasted a big part of my life. He needs to address this.

Pray for W and Our Troops

25 posted on 09/06/2004 8:51:42 PM PDT by bray (Some men have skeletons in their closets, some have cemetaries!!)
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Ping!


26 posted on 09/06/2004 8:52:21 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Interesting Times

bttt


27 posted on 09/06/2004 8:52:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Interesting Times
Steve Pitkin wants to apologize to Vietnam veterans for what he did and said at the Winter Soldier Investigation. "The VVAW found me during a difficult time in my life, and I let them use me to advance their political agenda. They pressured me to tell their lies, but that's no excuse for what I did. I just want people to know the truth and to make amends as best I can. I'd hate to see the troops serving today have to go through what Vietnam veterans did."
Mr. Pitkin,

I only wish that you had the wisdom of your years to have avoided these poor decisions. Your guilt may have driven you to make things right, but make things right you did. Your future actions demonstrate that you, indeed, were repentant of your actions and went on to earn honor in service to your country.

Mr. Kerry lacks any courage to admit that what he did was wrong. For that, no right-minded American citizen should ever forgive him. If Mr. Kerry had any courage, he would apologize, accept his actions, and face the consequences, be they what they may. Alas, however, John Kerry is a coward who don't deserve to lick the dirt off your boots, sir.

I will leave it to your fellow veterans to forgive you for your youthful indiscretions, but, I for one, find your courage to admit your mistakes admirable and forgiveness worthy. I wish you God's speed in life.

28 posted on 09/06/2004 8:53:28 PM PDT by mattdono ([John Edwards before going on stage 20 minutes after President] Hold muh' senses)
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Excellent news, Thank You!


29 posted on 09/06/2004 8:54:52 PM PDT by The Mayor (Daily work done for God takes on eternal value.)
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Thank you.


30 posted on 09/06/2004 8:55:31 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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YES!!!!!!
PING!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 09/06/2004 8:56:40 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam during the 1971 Winter Soldier Investigation.

This also bears repeating.

32 posted on 09/06/2004 8:57:09 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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Pings to you three!!!


33 posted on 09/06/2004 8:58:59 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: Interesting Times
Thanks for the ping.....this is a bombshell!

May God Bless Steve Pitkin for his apology and his attempt to make amends for the harm that was done by his lies.

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Kerry betrayed all Vietnam Veterans by his false testimony in the Senate (1971) calling them 'war criminals', rapists & baby killers.

His words were used by the Viet Cong to torture American POWs to force them to sign confessions for acts they did not commit.

Kerry betrayed all Americans fighting in Vietnam.
Kerry is the:

Kerry is UNFIT FOR COMMAND!

Remember his betrayal when you vote on November 2, 2004.

34 posted on 09/06/2004 8:59:54 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (I trust NOBODY BUT BUSH! Take W-04....Across America!)
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I wonder how many other we can get to come forward to state that the Winter Soldier Investigation was a FRAUD?
35 posted on 09/06/2004 9:01:25 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: nopardons

Here, please.


36 posted on 09/06/2004 9:01:36 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: abner

Due to Steve Pitkins courage, others may be encouraged to do just that.


37 posted on 09/06/2004 9:02:09 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Good. Thanks for the ping.


38 posted on 09/06/2004 9:03:46 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: doug from upland

I don't know what your schedule is tomorrow...but if you could try to get thru to Hugh, this is big stuff. But, knowing him, he's reading this thread, right now.


39 posted on 09/06/2004 9:04:08 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: The Mayor; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Great thread thank you for the *ping*!


40 posted on 09/06/2004 9:05:05 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (Ticked OFF in the heartland.)
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To: luv2ski

And at least we FReepers can let them know that we know that they are heroes. I've always thought they were. Just as I could never bear to watch Clinton lie I could never listen to or read about the thing these lying VVAW said.


41 posted on 09/06/2004 9:05:17 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Bob J
Due to Steve Pitkins courage, others may be encouraged to do just that.

I'm hoping. He is courageous alright.

42 posted on 09/06/2004 9:05:18 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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"Kerry said, "Surely you had to have seen some of the atrocities." Pitkin insisted that he hadn't"

That sounds alot like what sKerry said to John O'Neil in their debate on the Dick Cavett show in 1971.

43 posted on 09/06/2004 9:05:46 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Stupid is as stupid does. -John Forrestgump Kerry)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I'm sure Hugh will see it by tomorrow. I need to arrange to get the book from you.


44 posted on 09/06/2004 9:06:27 PM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry cried and asked TaRAYaz to make the SwiftVets stop)
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To: aynrandfreak
I believe him, but if he gets traction, Kerry & Co. will say that no one should trust an admitted liar.

They can make that announcement from Cambodia...

45 posted on 09/06/2004 9:06:45 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
Congratulations and "Thank You" to Interesting Times and the www.wintersoldier.com team for unearthing another piece of devasting truth concerning John Kerry and his band of traitors.

46 posted on 09/06/2004 9:07:06 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump for courage, integrity, and honor!


47 posted on 09/06/2004 9:07:46 PM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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To: Interesting Times

The MSM will never touch this because they fed the whole mess.


48 posted on 09/06/2004 9:07:50 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Hugh Hewwit has already been notified.


49 posted on 09/06/2004 9:07:52 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: mystery-ak; GretchenM; ohioWfan; Miss Marple

Bump for Important new Swiftboat Vet News.

"VietVet Revenge" continues.


50 posted on 09/06/2004 9:08:33 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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