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Vet: Kerry coerced me to testify of atrocities
World Net Daily ^ | 7 Sep 04 | WND

Posted on 09/08/2004 3:50:29 AM PDT by NavVet

A combat veteran who testified to war crimes during the 1971 "Winter Soldier Investigation" has filed an affidavit claiming John Kerry and other leaders of Vietnam Veterans Against the War coerced him into making false claims.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kerry; pitkin; stevepitkin; vietnam; wintersoldier; wsi

1 posted on 09/08/2004 3:50:30 AM PDT by NavVet
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To: NavVet

There is no doubt a group that would train and plot to kill Senators, vice presidents, and other leaders, is not above making up stories. Everything that Kerry testified to was crap.


2 posted on 09/08/2004 3:52:37 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: NavVet

Drip... drip... drip...


4 posted on 09/08/2004 4:11:48 AM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: NavVet

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1208909/posts

Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers
WinterSoldier.com ^ | September 6, 2004 | Scott Swett


5 posted on 09/08/2004 4:16:44 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: NavVet

Ok. If he had "...a lifetime case of hepatitis C," then how was he able to join NG and later Coast Guard and retire after 20 years? Some may think it unrelated, but it isn't...


6 posted on 09/08/2004 4:22:50 AM PDT by donozark (I fought at the Battle of Kimchi Ridge. The gas...the gas...it was HORRIBLE!)
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To: NOTTAHERO

Unless he has someone to collaborate his story, I think he will only be known for looking for his 15 minutes of fame.


7 posted on 09/08/2004 4:24:06 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: freeangel

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=YesterdaysLies1

and link to thread at #5


8 posted on 09/08/2004 4:29:23 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: NOTTAHERO

This is the message that I just sent to the AP and Knight-Ridder.

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SUBJECT: The Story the AP / DNC front group will NEVER tell

Isn't it fascinating that the AP is nothing but a DNC front group for attacking Republicans, yet will NOT aggressively pursue Kerry or the DNC for CLEARLY DOCUMENTED acts which some argue as treasonous.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40333

Is it any wonder that the "main stream media" is in a complete meltdown and people are now turning more and more every day to Fox News, or to the Internet to get their news?

They know that they can NOT trust the "main stream media" such as the AP any more than they can trust bin Laden.

Is is any wonder that the media is rated LOWER THAN LAWYERS AND AMONG THE LOWEST RATED "PROFESSIONS" IN THE COUNTRY!!! "ABA Survey Finds Lawyers Among Lowest-Regarded U.S. Professions. But media are rated worse..." Mary P. Gallagher, New Jersey Law Journal. May 7, 2002. "Only the media, at 16 percent, were rated lower than the legal profession..."

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I sent the message to the following:

info@ap.org; adalton@knightridder.com; thays@ap.org; tcurley@ap.org

And I also copied

'chall@cnsnews.com'; 'adams_mike@hotmail.com'; 'dlimbaugh@worldnetdaily.com'; 'ilana@ilanamercer.com'; 'ivanlee@talkamerica.com'; 'OldRightWingGal@yahoo.com'; 'production@talkamerica.com'; 'liberty@fcref.org'; 'michael.a.savage@abc.com'; 'Talkback@cnn.com'; 'wxyt@wxyt.com'; 'Beyondthenews@foxnews.com'; 'Colmes@foxnews.com'; 'Comments@foxnews.com'; 'Foxnewsnow@foxnews.com'; 'Friends@foxnews.com'; 'Newswatch@foxnews.com'; 'oreilly@foxnews.com'; 'Speakout@foxnews.com'


9 posted on 09/08/2004 4:32:47 AM PDT by woodb01 (AP is nothing but a DNC front group)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; BykrBayb; LakeLady; bridgemanusa; Darksheare; Dr Snide; faithincowboys; ..

Oh what a web we weave, when first we set out to decieve,

ping


10 posted on 09/08/2004 4:51:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: freeangel
Corroborate ~ besides, he testified previously and now he is repudiating that testimony.

That's all it takes to discredit whatever he said back in 1971.

Still, he's now saying Kerry and his goons coerced him into telling lies. That's a new one, so I propose that John Kerry be asked about it ~ in public ~ by someone in the MSM.

An AP reporter probably ought to do the job. Failure of the questions to be asked, however, should be taken as proof of what the man says about being coerced.

12 posted on 09/08/2004 4:54:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Buckhead; muawiyah
"It's a long walk back to Baltimore" hardly qualifies as "coercion." A bus ticket from Detroit to Baltimore would have cost what...$20 back then?

This is a still developing story. But there seems to be some "irregularities" already.

13 posted on 09/08/2004 5:05:39 AM PDT by donozark (I fought at the Battle of Kimchi Ridge. The gas...the gas...it was HORRIBLE!)
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To: NavVet
I have concerns about this guy and his story.

The timing really is suspicious here. Don't forget, Kerry has a new crew of Clintonoids working for him now. This may be an attempt to create a "firebreak."

(steely)

14 posted on 09/08/2004 5:06:14 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

"Timing"? He's probably been telling the same story for years and years.


15 posted on 09/08/2004 5:10:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: freeangel

I empathize with the guy. I had my own personal experience dealing with a "cult" back in the mid 80's. They catch you when your at a bad point in your life. I suffered with manic-depression back then and I never had it treated until the early 90's. It's real easy to get sucked into it. Group dynamics is a great powerful psychological force. Instead of getting medical treatment I was subjected to group thearpy which was run by very inexperienced people who had agendas. My counsleor was physically abused as a child and she brought that into the meetings. I was never abused as a kid but after the meetings I was totally convinced I was. I was really messed up mentally. I was convinced I was abused as a child. The group created false memories for me because they were talking about it too. The group told me I was in denial or I was repressing those memories. It was okay to denounce my parents for their abusive behavior. Group behavior make you conform to their belief system and its easy to make things up to be accepted. You want to feel better because you want to get out of your depression. I can relate to the guy very very much.


If VVAW was giving mental health treatment to this guy, they were unethical. It's like molesting your mind! Makes me upset thinking about it.


16 posted on 09/08/2004 5:38:30 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: NavVet

17 posted on 09/08/2004 5:38:39 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: All
"our government. . .had no intention of winning. . .I was furious at the American media for making us out to be baby-killers and telling lies about what they saw."

Ignore the Vietnam War stateside experience at the Republic's peril. After winning all the battles, I think it is fair to say, our forces and their allies were ordered to stand down and accept virtual defeat. Then came the Communists' violations of the "peace" and actual defeat. No surprise.

There was no Internet and thanks to the "Fairness Doctrine" darn little discussion on radio. You could find the full story -- if you looked hard enough, really looked end-to-end, top-to-bottom, behind every magazine in a magazine store's magazine rack.

It was "anti-war," "South Vietnamese government oppression and corruption," "destroy the village to save the village," and worse all the time in the media.

That is how it was. No wonder it was easy for the young man to go along to get along. "Pitkin started 'to slam the press . . . a woman he believes was Jane Fonda shot him an astonished look . . . other members of the group [appeared] ready to cut him off, so he changed course and made up a few things he thought they would be willing to accept.'"

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0103/09/lkl.00.html

"[Larry] KING: Speaking of trust, the power of Walter Cronkite -- to those of you who may not know this -- when Walter Cronkite turned on Vietnam, and he did -- LBJ said he can't afford to lose Cronkite. If I've lost him, I've lost the country."

By 1968 Walter stopped the pretense of "reporting" and signaled his colleagues to begin the process of defeat for the U.S. More than a decade earlier (1953) Edward R. Morrow signaled his colleagues that it was time to stop the pretense of reporting fairly about McCarthy, destroy him, and stop this anti-communism stuff.

Whatever you think about McCarthy events have proved he was correct to investigate. Whatever you think about Cronkite, IMO, he helped prolong the war (that our forces were near to winning by getting NV to the peace table, IMO) causing hundreds of thousands of more people to suffer death and injury.

19 posted on 09/08/2004 6:05:12 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for the correction--must have been early morning fog. However, I am still leary about making this an issue yet---something just doesn't feel right.


20 posted on 09/08/2004 6:05:51 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: NavVet

This could grow into a big deal.


21 posted on 09/08/2004 6:43:27 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: Buckhead

Yes, he is responsible for his actions. However, he did say he was very depressed at that time. Depression is a illness which is easily treated. VVAW had rap sessions and they didn't help the guy out but to use him for a anti-war political agenda. He was indeed coerced because of his mental state. VVAW took advantage of him and I don't like that! VVAW did have mental health experts to help out returning vets! Look it up in wintersoldier.com. It was unethical what the mental health experts did because they had a anti-war political agenda. People in the medical field are suppose to get people well not to use their patients as political clout.


22 posted on 09/08/2004 6:56:03 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: Laserman

Take a moment to read the Kerry book. First thing to notice on the little testimonials are they were written mainly by PAO types and others who seem know someone who new someone who was really an "eyewitness" to some atrocity.

I suppose Kerry would have done "everything different" back then also. Isn't that inspiring?


23 posted on 09/08/2004 7:43:57 AM PDT by libertyhoundusnr
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To: Buckhead
Nevertheless, ultimately this guy is responsible for his own behavior. What he describes just doesn't rise to the level of coercion sufficient to relieve him of responsibility for his own actions. Gun to the head, yes. Find your own way back to Baltimore, no way.

Steve Pitkin would certainly agree with this, and he fully accepts responsibility for his actions:

Steve Pitkin wants to apologize to Vietnam veterans for what he did and said at the Winter Soldier Investigation. "The VVAW found me during a difficult time in my life, and I let them use me to advance their political agenda. They pressured me to tell their lies, but that's no excuse for what I did. I just want people to know the truth and to make amends as best I can. I'd hate to see the troops serving today have to go through what Vietnam veterans did."

24 posted on 09/08/2004 8:25:47 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: NavVet
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Kerry to have a long history of coercing testimony. He did it in the Winter Soldier investigation; he did it to fight support for the Contra in Nicaragua with testimony of drug smuggling; wonder what he offered the Swift Boat Vets that are supporting him.

Check out the John F. Kerry Timeline.
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25 posted on 09/08/2004 8:35:11 AM PDT by christie (John F. Kerry Timeline - http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html)
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To: NavVet
Not at all surprising. I never did believe them.

I was so young at that time, not even in highschool. Because of their tactics ie. violent protests, I never did believe the antiwar crowd, or anyone from the service who teamed up with them. It was obvious they were attempting to end the war, and would do almost anything, even lie to achieve their goal.

27 posted on 09/08/2004 9:06:27 AM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Go George go!)
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To: NavVet

bttt


28 posted on 09/08/2004 9:14:49 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: NavVet

bttt..


29 posted on 09/08/2004 9:59:14 AM PDT by TomServo ("Hi, welcome to Deep 13, would you like to try a creamy thruster-buster?")
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To: donozark

Um... alternate universe?


30 posted on 09/08/2004 10:25:31 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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