Kerry - Bad Conduct Discharge, 1970, Maybe, 1971?

Various, cited | 9/8/04 | Tacis

[Tacis]

Perhaps, as shoddy and mendacious as Kerry’s behavior is, the behavior of our ultra-liberal media is worse. Everything above (and a lot more) is available to the media. All the facts, documents and theory in the above is available to every investigative reporter in the nation. The above process should have long ago been followed by the media. It is unfortunate that most of the traditional media are far too interested in electing Kerry to bother with doing any fact finding or reporting of information that might dissuade the electorate, present the truth, or call on Kerry to do what they’d expect of the next applicant for the most menial job on their staff, to be honest and candid.

[cripplecreek]

Last night Bill O'reilly said that he had found anti war speeches given on college campuses by John Kerry when he was a student. This tells me that Kerry was pursuing an agenda when he went to Vietnam.

[marty60]

skerry was against the VN war BEFORE he went. Which btw he did after being REFUSED a deferment.

[EagleUSA]

Expect no unbiased behavior from the media. Expect no serious investigative journalism, like the old days. Those days are gone and they have chosen the far-left as their political icon, and their elitist arrogance keeps telling the duped portion of the public what is real and right.

It is tragic for this country that some people still believe what they read or hear in the media is credible and complete. Sad.

[Pilsner]

This is:

1. Slander

2. Dumb. Listen to the tapes of Noxon going off on Kerry. Is they ANY chance he would not have found out and brought it up if Kerry had such a blemish on his record? NO.

3. Counterproductive. There are plenty of things to knock Kerry for that can be documented. Wasting time and bandwidth on Kerry was court martialed/ Kerry was got a bad conduct discharge fantasies doesn't just use up resources better put to good uses, it gives Kerry's supporters in the MSM the chance to dismiss ALL charges against Kerry as unfounded, because some people are making clearly unfounded charges.

[dc-zoo]

I think Brinkley knows something about kerry's war record or discharge and he's aware that it will be revealed. That is why he's backpeddling.

[philman_36]

If President Bush's military records contain hundreds of pages how can anyone conclude that sKerry's would contain any less?

[RetiredArmy]

An officer cannot get a BCD. An officer gets a Dismissal from a General Courts-Martial ONLY. You cannot and do not get Bad Conduct Discharges, Dishonorable Discharges or Dismissal from an ADMINISTRATIVE action. Period.

[Rocket1968]

bump

[EagleUSA]

While highly conspiratorial (and maybe true) if there is a skeleton in the closet, the Clintoni family will leak it...I wonder what else they are saving for the near future??

(chuckle)

[faithincowboys]

Where are this a-hole's med and military records. I am getting so pissed off about all this. This guy is getting a free pass.

[MineralMan]

What you propose is sheer speculation. While it makes for an interesting thought experiment, it's almost certain that it didn't happen.

In the first place, if I understand correctly, an officer cannot receive a BCD. Only enlisted personnel can receive that class of discharge, and that would have been reflected on his DD214.

I suggest you put your considerable energy and intellect into some area that's likely to bear fruit. This one's a sure loser.

[Sacajaweau]

My guts tell me that Kerry could have gotten out of his stint to Vietnam. His camera, his three purple hearts which gave him a pass home, his testimony, his association with Hanoi Jane all speak of a "Mission" of anti-war, anti-military investigation conducted by himself.

I do not deny that he served. It's the why of his service that I'm thinking about and the why of using the Purple Hearts to renig on his commitment.

[Terabitten]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

It seems more likely to me that there are some extremely unfavorable fitness reports squirrelled away in there, and possibly some medical records indicating treatment for something he doesn't want widely known (got clap?).

[stockpirate]

Here are some "Founded" chareges against Kerry.

Is John Kerry a war criminal? Consider the following.

After the Tet offensive North Vietnam was beaten, but with the Socialist press in America and the VVAW the North Vietnamese Communists decided to hold on.

This meant that instead of a US victory in South Vietnam and freedom for the South Vietnamese we had 10,000 - 15,000 more US deaths. America’s POW's were being tortured while listening to tapes of John "Traitor" Kerry calling them baby killers.

The VVAW, an antiwar group, which Kerry was one of the national leaders of, was receiving directions from the North Vietnamese Communist Government. VVAW in contact with in contact with NV Communist Government

The directions were on how the VVAW should protest the Vietnam War.

The interaction became so depraved, that the North Vietnamese Communist contacted the VVAW via a phone call and advised the VVAW that they were getting ready to start an attack on US troops and that the VVAW was to be prepared to increase the protests against the increase in bombing that the NV Communists were sure would happen. This put our men in further danger because of John Kerry and VVAW actions. VVAW gets directions from the VS Communists

John Kerry had no concern for the lives of his fellow soldiers in Vietnam or the POW's, John Kerry only cared about himself and his ambition to become POTUS, whatever the cost.

How many deaths of United States servicemen does John Kerry have on his hands?

How many families has John Kerry's behavior as a VVAW leader and a traitor to his country caused untold pain and suffering to?

How many unnecessary tears have been cried because John Kerry betrayed our trust to help a Communist government?

Does John Kerry still have ties to Communists in America?

John Kerry was an officer in the US Navy during his protests of the Vietnam War, having not received his discharge until 1978.

Why didn't John Kerry speak out just one time against the war crimes of his "Comrades in Arms the North Vietnamese Communists"?

Steven J. Pitkin says about his Winter Soldier testimony. “John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes, despite my repeated statements that I could not honestly do so. One event leader strongly implied that I would not be provided transportation back to my home in Baltimore, Maryland, if I failed to comply. Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue.”

Winter Soldier, Pitkin recants and says he never witnessed any atrocities in Vietnam

I've also been wondering why Kerry never reported the atrocities he supposedly witnessed while in Vietnam. Maybe because Kerry may have never witnessed any atrocities while he was in Vietnam. The VVAW leaders were meeting with the North Vietnamese Communist Government, leaders of the Communist Party in Moscow, possibly the KGB, leaders of the Communist Party International in Paris, leaders of the Communist Party and last but not least the group of Communists in South Vietnam that backed the North Vietnamese Communists.

These Communist groups were directing the VVAW leaders as to what they wanted them to do, and that is what the VVAW did.

So in a nutshell, when the world communist leaders told Kerry and his group what to do, that is what they did, no questions asked.

And then if you want more:

Several of my posting concerning John Kerry, VVAW and the FBI files.

Highlights of the FBI files and John Kerry, section 7 (October 1971)

Do the FBI Files concerning the VVAW (Kerry’s antiwar group) indicate a plot to assassinate Pres. Nixon?

Here is what I have found in the FBI files re: VVAW and John Kerry

John Kerry caused a fracture in VVAW for his own selfish goals (FBI Files reveal)

Kerry, Watergate: DNC Links Caused Break-in? (Kerry lied! Still with the VVAW after February 1972)

Lets watch the film of John Kerry and VVAW members throwing combat medals over the fence

Treat as Yellow – John Kerry’s VVAW coordinating with the North Vietnam Communist Government when US forces are under attack

VVAW leader meets with Communists to discuss tactics in the US antiwar movement. Kerry’s group!

[RVN Airplane Driver]

There is some wild speculation going on here that has no basis or foundation. You correctly point out that an Officer can not get a bad conduct discharge. The headline of this thread is misleading and should be pulled.

[Poincare]

Young Kerry, son of a diplomat and friend of the Kennedys, would only be escorted out of the Navy with (false) decorations. If only Zumwalt were alive. Perhaps, only perhaps, Kerry's service records will have the true facts about how and why Kerry's "tour of duty" was cut short.

[eno_]

So? It is a pressure point. And documents like this can leak: Kerry had his own copy. Who knows who else saw it, or has a copy?

[steve8714]

Anybody doing actual research on this should shut up, because it's
1. Nasty unless proven,
2. Useless unless documented, and
3. Counterproductive unless both proven and documented.
Premature spec makes us like the "Bush lied- and kids died!" crowd.