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Posted on 08/17/2004 6:34:18 AM PDT by stockpirate
A document from the FBI files covering the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) and John Kerry, dated November 16,1971 (FBI file record number ID; 100-448092-483), indicates that local supporters of the VVAW became dissatisfied with the VVAW. As a result of Mr. Kerry’s speech in Gaston Hall at George Washington University, the head office of the VVAW in New York withdrew support for the Washington DC office and for John Kerry. The following is a verbatim transcript of the FBI document:
VIETNAM VETERALNS AGAINST THE WAR, INCORPORATED (VVAW)
Reference is made to the memorandum at Washington, D.C> (WDC), dated September 15, 1971, concerning the VVAW.
On October 10,1971, a confidential source, who has provided reliable information in the past, advised that at WDC the VVAW, an anti-war veterans organization incorporated in New York, lacks cohesiveness and direction. The source advised this condition has resulted from/the disenchantment of local VVAW [WORD REDACTED] supporters, mainly [PART OF THE SENTENCE REDACTED] and John Kerry, a leading VVAW spokesman.
The source advised that local supporters became dissatisfied with the VVAW following a speech by John Kerry on September 27, 1971, at George Washington University (GWU), WDC.
A second confidential source, who has provided reliable information in the past, advised that on September 27, 1971, John Kerry addressed a capacity crowd at Gaston Hall, GWU. Kerry related his impression of national frustration resulting from an apparent powerlessness to bring about a change of United States policy toward Vietnam. Kerry stated that America’s socio-economic condition has been adversely affected by this sense of frustration. The source advised that Kerry emphasized the need to utilize the political process to bring an end to the war in Vietnam.
On October 10, 1971, the first source advised that Kerry’s speech was received by local VVAW supporters as a clear indication that John Kerry is an opportunist with personal political aspirations. Therefore, the source advised, support has been withdrawn from the New York office in general and from John Kerry in particular.
My comment; END OF DOCUMENT
And in an FBI document dated November 12, 1971 the following excerpt is found concerning John Kerry’s speech in Norman Oklahoma at the University of Oklahoma on during a convention by VVAW, from November 5, 6, & 7, 1971. The following is an excerpt this document. “The entire conference lacked coordination and appeared to be a platform for JOHN KERRY, National Leader of VVAW, rather than for VVAW and Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI).”
My commit; END OF DOCUMENT
We read here that John Kerry was using the VVAW to advance his own ambitions and not those of the VVAW, and by so doing he was causing a riff in the VVAW organization. Was John Kerry trying to take over the VVAW?
There is one other interesting note in this FBI document that bears looking into:
“The audience for a speech by John Kerry was quite large. A workshop held after KERRY’s speech was attended by quite a few people including one student from Iran, who spoke to the crowd as well as the parents of a Marine who died in combat in Vietnam.”
My comment; END OF DOCUMENT
This last part I find interesting for a couple of reasons: 1. Who was this student from Iran, and why was he speaking to this group? 2. What organization(s) did this student from Iran represent at this convention? 3. Was this student from Iran a foreign agent, or a member of a terrorist group?
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I have been using the sources you mention. In fact I posted the paperless.com posting.
More to come.
And I posted the Free Repulic posting you mentioned.
Should I have put these links in here too? I am fairly new to FR?
The guy is a convaluted power seeker. I pray that the people of this nation wake up and see what a phoney balony he really is.
Maybe our fellow Persian bloggers can shed some light on the very last sentence; maybe it rings a bell or might lead to something through their connections. Great post, SP!
The more references, the better, generally speaking.
I'm more of an Internet Pirate, myself...
Interesting that the speech was at Gaston Hall. There is a Gaston Hall at Georgetown University in DC, and it is unlikely that George Washington U. also has a Gaston Hall. That's a major mistake in an FBI report. Any GWU people out there who can tell us if there is a Gaston Hall at GW?
College campus demonstrations and participation at events by Iranian students to garner support for such demonstrations were commonplace in the lead up to the overthrow of Shah Reza Pahlavi in the 70s, if you'll recall. Such events were presented as moves for freedom.
I know that. But Gaston Hall is at GU, not GW. So, did the FBI make a mistake, or is there also a Gaston Hall at GW, which seems unlikely. That's why I asked for a GW person to chime in.
Well, done!
They were also attended by members of SAVAK, the Iranian Intelligence Service who tracked Iranian students who attended such conventions. Iranians would often wear black ski type masks when they attended such gatherings to prevent retribution.
Hmm... This FBI file is a treasure trove! He's sinking, sinking....
The suspense is killing me. What angles? I've seen so much about the propaganda that kerry supplied to the NVN, which of course is a criminal act. But if he actually gave them military secrets, that's even worse.
Well, well, well...no wonder the Rats were so vocal and spewing hatred for President Bush's National Guard Service. They had to keep the the liberal medial wheels spinning on Bush to protect John Kerry. Pathetic display on the part of the so-called investigative journalists! Pathetic and biased.
Get back to work. You're wasting precious time talking to me. (Pay no attention to the woman behind the curtain.)
Well I hope that once I put it out in the world that it gets to the right people.
That's an interesting report date. It's the day after the Kansas City assassination plot meeting ended (held Nov. 12-15). The meeting Kerry denied for years having attended but when confronted with evidence fell back on the trusty faulty memory excuse.
Kerry Still Backpedaling on Presence at 1971 Anti-War Meetings
Oh Sh*t you are right.....He has said now that he was at the meeting in KC.....
I have posted something here about that meeting.
For instance;
FBI documents confirm earlier reports by those present that Kerry participated in a closed-door discussion of a proposal to assassinate seven U.S. senators who were special targets of Hanoi, with whose agents selected leaders of VVAW had been meeting.
Also appearing in the same article is the following:
NBC News reported on the evening of March 22 a controversy concerning Kerry's presence at a closed VVAW meeting where the assassination of the senators was discussed and concluded that records show Kerry was indeed present at that meeting.
This is the issue that Kerry and company do not want voters to see!
Welcome to FR! I think you're doing a great job digging through things and posting quotes and info. I just have one small suggestion. When posting a quotation, it's a good idea to also cut/copy/paste/post the URL link you are referencing.
Keep up the good work stockpirate!
Thanks, I am learning. I just found some interesting info that I will be posting soon.
FBI files
Question, when I post I see Ping, do these people want me to add them to a ping list?
Hey, I certainly understand your question about who to 'ping' to a post you want to share with them. I sure don't know the correct answer. I made my own 'ping' list (I have only one: folks who have answered to me previously in the area I have the most interest.) I haven't had complaints when I have notified them. But I don't ping them to everything I answer. Most likely they've seen it already. Or else it is probably off-topic, and they don't care.
In any case, what I have learned to do is to create in my word processor a document called 'ping' and that's where I keep my FRiends' names and use that. Cut and paste their names. Make sense? I'm doing it here. You got good stuff they probably want to see. Especially if they check you out and your previous posts!
Hey stockpirate, if you get a ping list going, add me ok?
Have you got a ping list? If so, would you add me, please?
Thanks for the ping, JLO! Welcome to Free Republic, stockpirate!
Should I add the others or you will take care of them?
But can't you hear the spin? "See, he wasn't really serious about being a member of the VVAW, he was just doing it to work on his political career. You cannot take anything he said as a member of the VVAW, therefore, as sincere. It was just what he needed to do to launch his political career. He may have used poor judgment in how he went about it, but that's all you can say."
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Kerry will say he was on a deep cover mission with the CIA to do precisely that; fracture the VVAW.
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I think it is pertinent to note: Kerry emphasized the need to utilize the political process If you ask me, there is a whole "group" of these "new democrats" from that "era" who are utilizing the political process to push an agenda.
Please, add me to your ping list if you get it going!
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Odd that there is no Gaston Hall at GWU. When was the FBI report actually written? Was it written as a cover for Kerry having attended the Kansas City meeting where the VVAW talked about assassinating a bunch of folks, some of whom later died in plane crashes or were shot at on their front lawn??????
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