Posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax
Thanks Buckhead. I'm a current reservist, and keeping track of where personnel are from month-to-month is difficult. All of the officers in my unit confirm that no officer would write these kinds of memos.
I can't wait to hear CBS continue to try to defend these memos tonight. They have enough rope to hang the entire network and the Kerry campaign! How much more do they want? Are they really so tonedeaf as to think that even if this stuff was true, anyone (not retarded) would care?
This campaign is hilarious!
Good job, and rock on!
WHAT IS KERRY HIDING!!!!!
answer: Kamp Kerry just realized they need to buy a new antique typewriter. Thier MicrosofWord 1973 is not going to cut it.
The NYT times is a ship of fools.
How many of the OTHER DOCUMENTS ARE FRAUDS?
do they distinguish documents the media provided the WH and then the WH provided to other media outlets?
NYT get over it. KERRY LIED ABOUT HIS WOUNDS, KERRY LIED ABOUT HIS SELF NOMINATED MEDALS. No amount of focus on the fighter pilot George Bush will change KERRY LIED!
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Phil Dragoo has provide a link which shows us how this forgery was done on a computer with MS Word 2002.
Go to the link and see what Howlin told us, unfold in about one minute.
http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
This is great. CNN is on the way back from the black hole they've been in for the last 5 years.
HQ in Clinton Iowa..... hometown of Marty Heldt.......author of the FOIA on all of Bush's records......
What an outstanding piece of work.....see my effort at connecting the dots just above.
Lets recap Phils thread again:
Phil Dragoo has provided us with the incredible link below that will show us how the forgery was done.
Go to the link and just sit back and watch the forgery recreated in about one minute. If freepers like this, please send it to your email lists. Then next week send it to advertisers of this POS 60 Minutes of Forgery and Lies. Then ask them if they really want to be associated with forgers and liars trying to illegally impact a presidential election.
http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf
My postman, who does not have a computer, was telling me about Rather still sticking to his story, even though it is known to be wrong, I then told him...... the word from the internet is getting around.
ping to you for the latest.
Each minute, hour and day that Blather and C BS stick to their lies about the forgeries, the more harm they are doing to Kerry and the survival of ABCNNBC BS as NEWSNOT organizations.
If this forgery is tracked back to Marty Heldt, and he is proven to be the forger, he is in real trouble.
The rats have a long history of handling those who embarass them on national or state level.
He will become a leper, hated by the right and the left in his community.
AWESOME JOB!!!! Great thanks are due to you and everyone else who helped here! :D
It's not every day that "the common man" (Teresa Heinz-Kerry's words for us little people ;) can cause a national firestorm that is likely to have repercussions in the political and journalism worlds for YEARS to come!
This election was already beginning to tip in Bush's favor. In exposing the lengths to which the Democrats are willing to go to win an election, and the willingness of their allies in the liberal media to sacrifice the truth in order to support these efforts, you may have dropped the election solidly into Bush's lap! Our nation and our children are in your debt.
A few observations and questions of my own...
It should be easy to cross check Mr. Killian's signature on these questionable documents against the known-to-be-genuine documents concerning the President's stint in the National Guard that have already been released by the Pentagon. After seeing how simplistically these potential forgeries seem to have been created, I think it's likely that an image of his signature may have been lifted from an authentic document and pasted/inserted into these documents. Any handwriting expert would agree that signatures are always similar, but no one can sign their name in EXACTLY the same way any two times. If an exact match can be found between any signature on the questionable and any authentic documents, it would prove that the signature was lifted from a genuine document and placed into a forgery. I'd do the comparison myself, but I don't have access to pdf copies of the documents released by the Pentagon.
It isn't a sufficient answer for Mr. Matley -- or CBS -- to say that other document specialists may not have good enough copies to work with. The clear _implication_ is that other experts are seeing things that are not in the original, or vice versa. This is too important to be left to mere implications; the truth must be known. For example, some have mentioned the presence of curly apostrophes, rather than the 70's era straight apostrophes. Is it CBS's and Mr. Matley's specific claim that the apostrophes on the original are not curly, but only appear to be so in the copies that are available? If so, they should state that specifically. Or far better yet, release accurate digital images of these documents so that others can examine them properly. It's not that hard guys. This is the computer age!
I've already heard that this or that model of 1972-era typewriter could do superscript or variable-width spacing. Again, that is not good enough. Since it isn't plausible that more than one typewriter was used to write these documents, I'd like to know specifically which ONE model could create ALL of the Word-type anomalies that are seen in these documents! Which model typewriter can type variable width letters in Palatino (or whichever it is believed to be) font, has smaller, superscripted 'th' key(s), uses curly apostrophes, etc? In light of the evidence against these documents, the burden is on CBS to present a typewriter model that the National Guard used in the early 70's that is capable of creating these documents, and if they cannot do so, the story should be withdrawn with an apology to the American public.
Isn't it the obligation of a news medium to demonstrate the utter veracity of a 'news' story that smears someone, rather than the responsibility of someone else to prove it false? Do journalism schools teach that stories are 'ready for air' once a reporter can demonstrate that he has found the truth, or only after he is convinced that no one can prove him wrong? This is a real difference, and I'll wager it's the former. In saying that they will stick by their story unless and until someone else proves it wrong, CBS is avoiding it's journalistic responsibility in this matter.
P.S. I joined this site just to say thanks to you all, but I think I'll stick around now. ; )
This has turned quire funny. The only ones that should be concerned, if this were true, are VN vets. Most of us know this kind of thing went on and most of us don't care. It was a watse of time that will now cost them the whole election.
Chris Matthews is now attacking the story of the POW Vets hearing the name of Kerry from their NK tormentors. MSNBC 2 to 3 PDT today , hoped someone else saw it!
2000? Yes ... 2000 ...
Pertinent excerpt:
Bush Aides Possibly AlteredDoes the bolded wording in the above sound familiar?
National Guard Records
To Conceal Grounding and Missed Dutyby Bob Fertik
November 4, 2000According to Democrats.com, Bush's grounding would normally have been reviewed by a Flight Inquiry Board of three senior officers, but there is no record that such a board was convened in Bush's case. Democrats.com has called for Bush to reveal his full military records, to put these and other charges to rest. Moreover, Democrats.com and TomPaine.com have revealed that Bush did not report for duty for at least a year after he stopped flying, and possibly two years. Bush's official record shows no duty after April 1972, and his superior officers in both Alabama and Texas say they never saw him after that.
An official report issued on April 30, 1973 says "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of this report," from May 1 1972 to April 30, 1973.
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Internet activists led by Iowa farmer Martin Heldt and retired Air National Guard pilot Bob Rogers have been campaigning to expose Bush's failure to report for duty since May 23, 2000, when the Boston Globe first reported on a "one-year gap" in Bush's military duty. Heldt created a discussion board at Salon Magazine charging that Bush was "AWOL", which spurred an explosion of grassroots Internet activism.
I think this 'document' has been lying around for awhile, looking for a 'market' - and they finally found one in SeeBS ...
I think they started back in 1999...
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• February 13 -- Globe Bashes Burkett's Anti-Bush Story: Will the NYT React? • February 12 -- Old Anti-Bush Whine in New Bottle
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Diggin for stuff down here....who is Burkett?
Who is Bill Burkett?Short answer: Another DUer type.Former Lt. Colonel Bill Burkett is the man who claims that Bush and the Texas National Guard cleaned out any damaging information in Bush's National Guard files in 1997.
As Kevin Drum explains in an exhaustively researched post, Burkett has a major axe to grind - he blames Bush for the military denying him medical care during an illness in 1998.
However, there is another reason to be skeptical about Burkett. Burkett has strongly held loony left political views. He has written numerous articles espousing his positions and clearly wishes to sway the electorate. This gives him another obvious motive to lie about Bush's National Guard files.
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