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THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating
www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by Howlin

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.


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To: NYCVirago

Anyone know how we can tell if these are "typewriter" fonts? I cannot tell but they do not look like typewriter fonts.


21 posted on 09/08/2004 9:32:50 PM PDT by cohokie
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To: NYCVirago; Buckhead; Howlin
"The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts. I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old."

Good point. Those documents are absolutely forgeries based on the fonts alone.

The flight exams were and are called "Medicals", too... those forged documents used the incorrect term "physical examination."

3 Full Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

22 posted on 09/08/2004 9:34:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Howlin
There is a big difference in the J and K on the two signed memos. I can not see a signature changing so much in 3 months.

Who was the handwriting analyst?
23 posted on 09/08/2004 9:34:04 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: NYCVirago

the only way i would think these were not real documents would be if someone on our side did it to make dan rather and the media look bad. something to get back at them for all the outrage over faulty intelligence regarding the niger yellowcake forgeries.


24 posted on 09/08/2004 9:34:43 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Howlin
Memorandum from 04-May-1972, when you zoom in you can read the redacted portion. Says 5000 Longmonth #8, Houston, Texas 77027


Is the 5000 Longmonth important?
25 posted on 09/08/2004 9:34:52 PM PDT by dila813
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To: NYCVirago
Exactly. Who was CBS's "expert analyst" on the authenticity of the documents -- Terry McAuliffe?

This is beginning to sound like the forged uranium documents. Many people said that they were obvious forgeries at first glance.

26 posted on 09/08/2004 9:35:44 PM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: NYCVirago
In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

Not all typewriters, as I recollect.

The most popular unit at the time was probably the IBM Selectric. And, indeed, it employed a monospaced font.

Another IBM unit, the Executive, employed proportionally spacing (and was thus hell to correct, requiring perfect transcription). But, as I recall, it was a sans-serif face.

The typeface on these memos appears to be proportional, but it is also a serifed face (Times New Roman or a similar variant). So, I would doubt the machine was an IBM Executive.


27 posted on 09/08/2004 9:35:58 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: cohokie
Anyone know how we can tell if these are "typewriter" fonts? I cannot tell but they do not look like typewriter fonts.

This is what Courier font looks like, which comes from a typewriter. Those files were written on a word processor, because they don't look like this text.

28 posted on 09/08/2004 9:36:17 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Howlin

Check out the documents on Scumbags Site and they look totally different then these ones.

Totally different font. Hey no black dots everywhere on them.

Just an addittion to others observations.

Still looking at them to find some great example

You know who scumbag is right? You know Skerry!


29 posted on 09/08/2004 9:38:18 PM PDT by BookaT
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To: nopardons

Split it up and send it a little at a time by many different people. If it is long they'll never read it.


30 posted on 09/08/2004 9:38:32 PM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: Howlin

Frontpage.com already did an excellent job of debunking this whole thing today... this jerk wasn't even Governor of Texas in 1968 (he was in 1969) when Bush went into the Guard and the Bush's weren't a prominent family in Texas at the time -- it was still a Democratic stronghold -- this guy is also linked to Kerry and is hoping for a spot in his cabinet -- go to frontpage and read it!


31 posted on 09/08/2004 9:38:34 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: NYCVirago

From the transcript:

60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.



No name.

But then there is this:

Robert Strong was a friend and colleague of Col. Killian who ran the Texas Air National Guard administrative office in the Vietnam era. Strong, now a college professor, believes these documents are genuine.


32 posted on 09/08/2004 9:38:35 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: rocklobster11

My sentiments exactly. I posted this on another thread an hour ago:


It seems easy enough to disprove. Find an authenticated version of Lt. Col Killian's signature and compare it to the proffered documents (it should be easy enough through probate records if not military records). These memos look fake to me. Would a fighter squadron, even in the ANG, have a PO Box address? Is it too much of a coincidence that the only two people referenced in the memo other than Bush (Killian and Harris) are both conveniently long dead? Etc., etc..

It seems a poor fake to me. Someone needs to take the initiative and prove it.

Could the source of these apparently poor fakes be someone in league with Bush? Give then some line, let the press run with it a bit, then set the hook by demonstrating it to be unequivocally a fake. It would discredit all attacks on Bush. In fact, it isn't a bad strategy - like the fake documents that discredited all the good intelligence showing an effort by Saddam to buy uranium in Niger. The good is thrown out with the bad. Maybe I should get out my old typewriter and start writing some "damaging memos?"


33 posted on 09/08/2004 9:38:42 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: NYCVirago

Are these documents copies of hard paper originals or are they from a microfilm? Many years have past, it seems that they could have been stored on microfiche and sent to a printer for a paper copy. Mind you, I have no idea of what I am talking about.


34 posted on 09/08/2004 9:39:14 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: NYCVirago

In the very early 70's, the military's state-of-the-art word processing was done on IBM MTST Composers. They used a monospaced font printing format but used the same "font balls" (about the size of ping-pong balls and had changeable font types) as the IBM selectric typewriters.


35 posted on 09/08/2004 9:39:32 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: tiki

I know how to do it,but thanks. :-)


36 posted on 09/08/2004 9:39:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin
For the life of me, I can't figure out why anyone cares about these documents. Let's assume for a moment they are completely authentic.

SO WHAT?

They impact nothing. Can you name a single person who voted for Bush based on his Guard record? Anybody? Can you name a single thing that can be done with 32 year old memo's? Anybody? Forget about it. The matter is irrelevent.

37 posted on 09/08/2004 9:40:19 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Howlin


Dan Rather just proved once again what a low life he is. Actually, he is in so much pain now. You know it hurts to be on the losing end when you are such a die hard liberal. I did not watch him and I never will. I do not watch CBS.


38 posted on 09/08/2004 9:40:20 PM PDT by fabriclady
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To: Howlin

One other note: What everyone SHOULD be doing is loudly protesting to the FCC over CNN keeping Carvel and Begala on the payroll.. heck even NBC canned Maria Schriver once she became first lady of California (true was mutual, but she received lots of pressure due to having a Republican husband).


39 posted on 09/08/2004 9:40:44 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: BookaT

Yes, I do.

And you make a good point.


40 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:08 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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