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THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating
www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by Howlin

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.


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To: mabelkitty
Does it make sense that Killian would write a memo dated August 1, 1972 stating that the transfer was not allowed and then in a CYA memo dated August 18, 1972 state that he didn't have any feedback from Alabama?

"F" stands for forgery.
441 posted on 09/09/2004 10:02:03 AM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: Howlin

I rarely did the "roll up" thing. Maybe a math professor might care about such things, but your typical office memo just didn't bother. And especially if it were just a note to file....why would anyone go to all that trouble, not to mention having to clean the ribbon ink off one's hands?!

I haven't had any time to read this thread. I see y'all have been comparing signatures again. Please ping me to any major-development posts. I'll catch up tonight!


442 posted on 09/09/2004 10:02:16 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: Law is not justice but process
Could the source of these apparently poor fakes be someone in league with Bush? Give then some line, let the press run with it a bit, then set the hook by demonstrating it to be unequivocally a fake. It would discredit all attacks on Bush.

This may or may not be the case here.

However, as I'm sure you are aware, this wouldn't be the first time this type of scheme were used. Even if this were true in this specific case, it's very possible that it was done without the knowledge of the person or subject in question.

443 posted on 09/09/2004 10:03:38 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

They didn't.
I think they were trying to convince us this was official from the Pentagon. This would, indeed, look like a copy of a copy stored like in hospitals or something like that.

Since that is not the case, this is supposedly ba first copy of an original, and Mrs. Killiam would have the original. Someone attempted to make this look exactly like the documents released by Bush ecause they weren't thinking clearly and had to rush this (I agree this October surprise was dropped early).

I am, however, curious as to why the original was not copied and notarized and kept with Mrs. Killiam and the original given to CBS? What did she have to lose? She knew they were going to run it on television.

Could it be because there are no originals? We know the answer to that.


444 posted on 09/09/2004 10:04:57 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: Howlin; NYCVirago

Has anyone actually opened up MS Word, set the font to Times New Roman 12 pt, typed the memos verbatim and then turned them into PDFs? Compare them side by side with the ones being put out there now...


446 posted on 09/09/2004 10:07:40 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: four more in O 4

I received a copy of my grandmother's social security number application, and her parents names were blacked out for privacy reasons (policy in case they were still alive).
I had no way at all of getting that information from under the black mark.

However.

If I type a letter, print it on paper with a laser printer and black mark out with a Sharpie, the laszer printed "rises" above the black marker ink. I've not scanned something like this, but I would assume the scan would remove the black mark from the raised laser on the page. I've also not tried faxing such a document.

These documents may have been faxed and received by CBS. The background marks are just too interesting.


447 posted on 09/09/2004 10:08:55 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: sinkspur

How can they?
They came from Killiam's widow - not the Pentagon.
They are not part of his file of record.


448 posted on 09/09/2004 10:11:10 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: tapatio

Damn!
Clintons are finally going to be nailed on that!


449 posted on 09/09/2004 10:13:12 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: Timeout

As other Freepers have stated, the IBM Executive had both proportional spacing and superscript "th".


450 posted on 09/09/2004 10:14:26 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Howlin

As other Freepers have stated, the IBM Executive had both proportional spacing and superscript "th".


451 posted on 09/09/2004 10:14:37 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mabelkitty

No it's not. See Post 451.


452 posted on 09/09/2004 10:15:20 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Wild_Bill_8881
ever see a wrench bender typing letters on 386 DOS machine?..it wasn't pretty

What year was this?

453 posted on 09/09/2004 10:18:59 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: Tamsey

>>I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet (hard to keep up with it all)

There is an enormously obvious word-processing insert on this memo: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf

Where is says "Austin is not happy today either"

The "not happy today either" drops down to the next line and is in an easily obvious different font from the entire rest of the document




I posted earlier about 'e's with horizontal versus slanted crossbars, that's what shows up in what you just pointed out as well!! Howlin, this is a keeper too! This has been added!!!!!


454 posted on 09/09/2004 10:19:25 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: mcg1969

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210987/posts?page=351#351


455 posted on 09/09/2004 10:24:26 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: four more in O 4

I also find it strange that such a letter was "sent". It was however GWB's official address.


456 posted on 09/09/2004 10:24:41 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: FastCoyote

Great find! There are two different fonts being used in some of the documents. In your example, look at the "tin" in "Austin" and the "tin" in "rating" just above it. The fonts are different.


457 posted on 09/09/2004 10:27:44 AM PDT by Toskrin (War least of all goes according to plan.)
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To: WoodstockCat
Item #4 on this link is the clincher for me, that drives me crazy with Microsoft Word.

I can FReepmail you and let you know how force MS Word to NOT do formatting like this, if JimRob or an AM will vouch for your bonafides..... (I don't want to let the sleeper-trolls on FR know how to do 'better' forgeries) 8-)

458 posted on 09/09/2004 10:31:33 AM PDT by BreitbartSentMe (Now EX-Democrat!)
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To: Bush_Democrat

thanks. I've received the "secret memo" on getting that "feature" not to work. :-)


459 posted on 09/09/2004 10:36:55 AM PDT by WoodstockCat (Al Gore: I am Irrelevant, hear me Roar.)
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To: Southack
I was wondering that exact same thing too.

--erik

460 posted on 09/09/2004 10:39:14 AM PDT by erikm88 (9/11 and Pearl Harbor have changed the face of America forever -- Never forget...)
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