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Anatomy of a Forgery
The American Spectator ^
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| Washington Prowler
Posted on 09/09/2004 9:13:11 PM PDT by hope
Edited on 09/09/2004 9:22:01 PM PDT by Admin Moderator.
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By The Prowler |
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Published 9/10/2004 12:09:06 AM
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More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.
The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.
"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."
The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."
The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. Rather, CBS News stated that they were documents uncovered in the personnel files of Killian. That would explain why the White House or the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them.
According to a Kerry campaign source, there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on McPherson Square. "Those documents were not something anyone was talking about or trying to generate buzz on," says the staffer. "It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it, because provenance of these documents was uncertain."
A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.
"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."
The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.
Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."
ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.
According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.
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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:13:11 PM PDT
by
hope
To: hope
Karl Rove, I knew this was him.
This tinfoil hat is comfy.
2
posted on
09/09/2004 9:15:44 PM PDT
by
Redcoat LI
("I am the great and powerful Kerry! Look at my medals!")
To: hope
What did Kerry know and when did he know it?
To: Redcoat LI
To: hope
I didn't realize there were enough hours in the day for Rove to do all of the things he is being accused of.
5
posted on
09/09/2004 9:17:24 PM PDT
by
mnehrling
(YP4W)
To: hope
The real tipoff that the memos were fakes was the fact that Killian emailed them ...
To: hope
The real tipoff that the memos were fakes was the fact that Killian emailed them ...
To: Jim Robinson
Break out the popcorn... this is going to be a hoot wathcing the DNC and SeeBS blaming one another.
8
posted on
09/09/2004 9:18:16 PM PDT
by
hope
(Let no man deceive you!)
To: hope
Story is breaking on my local news. And to think FreeRepublic broke this news.
9
posted on
09/09/2004 9:18:17 PM PDT
by
mlbford2
("sycophantic kerry koolaid sucker" -- S. Hannity)
To: hope
but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.That would be the DUmmies.
To: hope
So the Kerry campaign is being fingered for this, oh the humanity. You just know its Jennings clinging to the hope it was Rove, pathetic.
11
posted on
09/09/2004 9:18:39 PM PDT
by
Dr Snide
(vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
To: hope
... but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.I see that the DNC fax machine is in heavy action tonight. Got to get those marching orders out to their accomplices in the media.
12
posted on
09/09/2004 9:18:48 PM PDT
by
mikegi
To: mnehrling
I've noticed that too ... "he's everywhere!!" (think Halo).
13
posted on
09/09/2004 9:18:55 PM PDT
by
gobucks
(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
To: hope
I truly don't believe CBS cared about the authenticity of the documents. Any idiot can see that the signatures are erroneous, not to mention the different tones in the letters.
When I first saw the documents this morning, they didn't look like anything produced in the '70s or even the '80s to me. But I don't know if that was before or after I heard the forgery allegation. Either way, with 5-8 people looking at these documents, the minimum CBS should have had if they had intended to be objective, at least one or more persons would have realized these things were 3 dollar bills.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:19:12 PM PDT
by
1L
To: hope
but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition. Oh, yes, please, follow this line. Make this the DNC talking point for the next news cycle. And every single person who spouts this will be wrapped up tightly in a nice coat with very long sleeves with buckles on the end. And new rooming will be provided, with very nice padding.
P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:19:19 PM PDT
by
Phsstpok
(often wrong, but never in doubt)
To: hope
the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition. That's it! Bush knew and I'm gonna vote against him.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:19:22 PM PDT
by
Drango
(Wow is wow spelt backwards.)
To: hole_n_one
Can we all spell Paul Begala - old bugeye forehead himself???
17
posted on
09/09/2004 9:19:32 PM PDT
by
Elkiejg
(I'M A ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT!! GIVE 'M "ZELL".)
To: Redcoat LI
Karl Rove, I knew this was him. Yep and he also saddled the DNC with Kerry. He is really devious.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:19:48 PM PDT
by
Texasforever
(Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
To: hope
"both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove"
In other words, this mess is GW Bush's fault, which is just as I suspected.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:20:05 PM PDT
by
hauerf
To: hope
Local news in Houston NBC , has doc expert that says he is 1000% sure it is fake. Hold on, now another says it is fake. They are going off on these 'obviously' fake.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:20:07 PM PDT
by
mlbford2
("sycophantic kerry koolaid sucker" -- S. Hannity)
To: hope
I'm sure they'll try to tilt the blame at "mean" right-wingers and G.W., but they are going to emerge (rightfully) as the victim.
In the end it's a screaming match between the Old Media and out of Power Dems/Kerry. Beautiful.
To: hope
According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition. Must be too much flouride in the crack they are smoking at ABC.
To: hope
Karl Rove and his mind control ray are making Kerry look foolish again!
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:20:50 PM PDT
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
("And oftentimes, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths")
To: hope
Kerry camp pushes forged documents in an attempt to slander the sitting president. It's Carl Rove's fault.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:21:02 PM PDT
by
mercy
To: Jim Robinson
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:21:05 PM PDT
by
Redcoat LI
("I am the great and powerful Kerry! Look at my medals!")
To: hope
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:21:23 PM PDT
by
steveo
(Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
To: hole_n_one
If Bush gets his mental health initiative passed there will be a huge payload of work for the mental health professionals studying the lefty wackjobs at the DUmp.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:21:23 PM PDT
by
hope
(Let no man deceive you!)
To: hope
To: hope
the prowler implicates the kerry campaign directly. if true, this is a tsunami screaming across the ocean, headed for john kerry's favorite windsurfing spot.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:21:50 PM PDT
by
smonk
To: hope
I love 'the Prowler'. It has the political lowdown on so much, and it's usually bang on. This whole document scandal is unreal. Like watching the Watergate scandal unfold in a 24 hour timeframe.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:21:50 PM PDT
by
plushaye
(President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
To: Jim Robinson
It must have been that wascally Karl Wove.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:22:16 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
To: okie01
Thus, the next source of amusement will be observing how Rather and the network choose to deal with this.
Think of a frog:
Rovedidit,Rovedidit,Rovedidit....
31 posted on 09/09/2004 10:57:29 PM EDT by jwalsh07
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:22:54 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
(GIVE'M HELL, ZELL!)
To: mnehrling
I didn't realize there were enough hours in the day for Rove to do all of the things he is being accused of.
9:00AM Meet with Bilderburgers
9:30AM Adjust HAARP to generate more hurricanes
10:00AM Meet with Trilateral Commission
10:30AM Set up CBS with forged Killian Documents
11:00AM Consult with Bin Laden on timing of next Al Queda attack
11:30AM Build more SWIFTVET robots
12:00AM Eat lunch off the stomach of a naked virgin on a Satanic Altar
And that's just the morning!
To: hope
I'm soooo loving this. Makes the Colts loss tonight sting a bit less (though I love Brady and the Pats!).
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:23:06 PM PDT
by
kidkosmic1
(www.InterviewwithGod.com)
To: hope
Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."
Let the FINGER POINTING BEGIN!!!!
Actually, it would be fun to have these traced back to the Kerry campaign and the DNC...
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:23:13 PM PDT
by
Ronzo
(GOD alone is enough.)
To: Soul Seeker
In the end it's a screaming match between the Old Media and out of Power Dems/Kerry. Beautiful. Beautifully put.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:23:21 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
To: okie01
Thus, the next source of amusement will be observing how Rather and the network choose to deal with this.
Think of a frog:
Rovedidit,Rovedidit,Rovedidit....
31 posted on 09/09/2004 10:57:29 PM EDT by jwalsh07
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:23:34 PM PDT
by
jwalsh07
(GIVE'M HELL, ZELL!)
To: hope
Local ABC news in Houston is leading with the fake document story. Trashing CBS. The story they are telling on the local news sounds like they came to FR for the details.
They are promoting Nightline now.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:23:49 PM PDT
by
isthisnickcool
(Only dummies play poker with George W. Bush.)
To: hope
The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." Wesley Clark, perhaps.....
To: 1L
I truly don't believe CBS cared about the authenticity of the documents.Bingo! The article states that some of the CBS people thought the documents were fake, but CBS ran with the story anyway.
To: kidkosmic1
If I was a Colts fan I would be pretty frustrated right now. They gave that game away with turnovers.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:24:34 PM PDT
by
Dr Snide
(vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
To: vbmoneyspender
...but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.Oh, God! Its'...it's...
The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy!!
Pay back is a bitch!
42
posted on
09/09/2004 9:25:04 PM PDT
by
stboz
To: jwalsh07
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:25:05 PM PDT
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
("And oftentimes, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths")
To: hope
Pinch me ... CBS blaming Kerry campaign .... OH ... MY .... GOD ... I HAVE DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:25:23 PM PDT
by
talosiv
To: hope
Hugh Hewitt wondered how long they would take to blame Rove
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:25:23 PM PDT
by
madison46
(Bandwagon was full when it left the gate - I hope it remains too full for frogs & co.)
To: Leroy S. Mort
The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer."
Wesley Clark, perhaps.....
Or John Kerry
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:25:31 PM PDT
by
Dr Snide
(vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
To: hope
More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian. The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer."
More than 6 weeks ago -- opposition research staffer inside the DNC (not inside Kerry campaign) -- memos from a retired military officer.
Has the makings of a great whodunnit. That opposition research staffer, middleman, is the one I want to know first. Could have made up the story about getting docs from a retired military officer. So many cockroaches, watch 'em scatter.
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posted on
09/09/2004 9:25:58 PM PDT
by
Cboldt
To: mnehrling
Oh please!!!! Karl Rove?????? I know what they are going to say. They will say that since the WH didn't question the memos veracity, the WH was the source. The fact is...look at the story. The WH and the Pentagon never had these memos in their possession, they were portrayed by CBS as part of a personal file, so the WH treated it like all the rest of the documents...they put them out there and continued to stay on a message about the future.
I think someone THOUGHT they were helping the Kerry campaign (Michael Moore type) thinking that CBS and the rest would air it without question...
they got pretty far, didn't they?
To: hope
but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the oppositionKarl Rove, the Zelig of political conspiracy.
To: hope
It will be very bad for Kerry if they trace this back to his campaign and I bet CBS is going to be really angry over this.
I can see them outting whoever gave them the documents, or if they don't, they will see that it leaks out.
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