Posted on 09/10/2004 7:06:51 PM PDT by ambrose
huh?
How in the world would a retired general have any power? That doesn't even pass the laugh test!
I love the smell of lefties pissing in their pants at nite while FR and other media nebulas bust their grapes.
analysis of the bush memo
http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf
per Terry McAwfull
By the way, am I the only one who keeps thinking of that "Bloom County" from the 1980s where Opus tried to forge Elvis's diaries but used "Official Dukes of Hazzard Stationery"?
This "memo" is turning out to be quite a gift from the RATs, isn't it? You can only sow for just so long before you start to do some reaping. They have sown the wind. They will reap the whirlwind! Natural justice can be a beautiful thing to see.
"Killian says Col. Buck Staudt, the man in charge of the Texas Air National Guard, is putting on pressure to `sugar coat' an evaluation of Lt. Bush." WHY does he refer to him as "COL." since they knew eachother he must of called him BUCK??? and he NEVER would call him "Col.Buck" in a memmo to himself... it'd just be Buck
oops... (he he he)
I haven't. Even the document with the th in it that Dan Rather used as evidence was in Courier. If there were comparable documents done in Times Roman, CBS would point those out. But they haven't.
"Staudt is ALIVE and currently not responding to telephone calls to his home. He might come charging out (like Killian's widow and son) to speak to the press after being maligned by CBS staffers who didn't even know him."
Maybe he is consulting with his lawyers....to see just how much he can sue Rather and CBS for "defamation of character".
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6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
Correct (Almost) - Official Military signature block is as follows
Name, RANK, DEPARTMENT (IE USAF, TXANG)
Title
Killians signature block would have been
Jerry B. Killian, Lt Col, TXANG Commander
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
YEs and no. Usually would be 18 Aug 1972, but could be written 18 August 1972 -- it is Writers prerogative. However You never see 04 MAY 1972, it would be 4 MAY 1972. 04 would only be used on COMPUTERIZED forms where 2 digits are required.
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston (this has been confirmed by the Pentagon, per James Rosen on Fox News-However, many documents on John Kerry’s website show same)
PO BOX is legit (see posts above), but was for 147 FIG not 111 FIS.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
Exactly. KIllians would have been Lt Col not Lt. Colonel
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
Don't know about 1972 but today all Correspondence/letterhead MUST contain the street address of the unit. WOuld be in the format HQ AFLC/CC, 101 Something St., Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433 26 - Language not generally used by military
I have certainly never used language like that
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.
Offical orders have a set format, However a Direct order from Supervisor/commander to subordinate can be written in a MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD, with a SUBJECT line of something like "Order to report for Physical"
A Memo with a direct order would however not just be signed by the Commander/supervisor it would also have a ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF RECIEPT on the bottom of the page SIGNED by the person recieving the order!
36-Acronym should be ORT, not ORET
Doc refers to OETR, correct abbreviation is OER - Officer Evaluation Report. Have never heard of an OETR.
40-The forged documents had no initials from a clerk
Would only have clerk initials if they were officially filed in the persons PIF (Personal Information File). If they were personal Memo's they might not be initialed.
41-There was no CC list (needed for orders)
Correct to the best of my knowledge
42-Subject line in memos was normally CAPITALIZED in the military
Word SUBJECT would be capitalized, the actual subject of the memo would be typed in upper and lower case.
43-The forged documents used incorrect terminology ("physical examination" instead of "medical")
Correct. We get Medical Examinations not Physical Examinations. Actually today they are Periodic Health Assessments _ LOL.
44-There was no "reciept confirmation box" (required for orders)
Correct , as I stated above there would have been an acknowledgement line for Bush to sign.
47-the manual cited in the first forged document on line 2 of the first point #1 of "AFM 35-13" doesn't exist. That line of text reads: "to conduct annual physical examination (flight)IAW AFM 35-13". "IAW" means "In Accordance With" and "AFM 35-13" would mean "Air Force Manual 35-13". There is no such Air Force Manual 35-13.
There is currently no AFM 35-13. I believe there was one back then, I have seen references to it before.
This happens quite quickly in the military (both green suiter and civilian). A week or two is all it takes for all the power somebody used to have to be rendered impotent after "retirement".
I've seen it happen firsthand.
That's funny!
You've seen "AFM 35-13" or you've seen "AFR 35-13"?
"AFR" should mean Air Force Regulation, but that's not what was at least TWICE typed in to the forgeries.
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I was thinking that the Killian Family might have grounds to sue.....I heard the son, Gary on H & C say that See BC interviewed him & his step-mother before the story was aired.
He said they both told CBS that they had grave doubts about the memos....that Killian had always spoken highly of GWB and that Killian did not write 'personal memos' like those Rather used.
He added that they were shocked that CBS never reported what they said in the 60 Minutes program.
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