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CBS Producer Who Obtained Questionable Guard Documents Identified
Talon News ^ | 9/13/2004 | Jeff Gannon, White House Correspondent

Posted on 09/13/2004 6:12:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMajority

WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- Mary Mapes, a Dallas-based producer for CBS, has been identified by Talon News sources as the person who obtained the documents that suggest President George W. Bush did not fulfill his National Guard obligations 30 years ago. The documents, which have been judged to be forgeries by many news services and forensics experts, are at the center of a scandal that threatens the credibility of the network.

Late Friday, CBS spokesperson Kelli Edwards confirmed to Talon News that it was Mapes that obtained the documents but refused to comment on the questions surrounding their authenticity. Mapes did not respond to Talon News requests for comment.

During Friday's network news broadcast, anchor Dan Rather defended the four pages he claims were written by Bush's superior officer at the Texas Air Guard, Lt. Colonel Jerry Killian. Rather talked with handwriting expert Marcel Matley who said that on the basis of his analysis of the signatures, he is pronouncing the documents to be authentic. Not all of the pages carry Killian's signature.

Two others were interviewed for the segment. Robert Strong, an administrative officer for the Texas Air Guard during the Vietnam era, who vouched for the documents.

Author James Moore, a Bush antagonist, said, "They are absolutely consistent with the records as I know it."

Rather dismissed his critics, saying, "Today, on the Internet and elsewhere, some people -- including many who are partisan political operatives -- concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story."

But glaring omissions marred Rather piece. On Friday, Killian's son Gary told nationally syndicated talk-show host Sean Hannity that Mary Mapes had contacted him before CBS ran the story. He said that he warned her that the documents might be forgeries.

Following the broadcast, Talon News asked Edwards why Killian's son and wife weren't mentioned during the broadcast.

She said, "I'm not going to debate every aspect of the story. We stand by the piece."

Killian's widow, Marjorie Connell, told ABC Radio News, "The wording in these documents is very suspect to me. ... I just can't believe these are his words."

Connell said that her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow Guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Connell said that her late husband was a fan of the young Bush.

She stated, "I know for a fact that this young man ... was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Rufus Martin, the personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time told CNN, "They looked to me like forgeries. ... I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years."

Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor, told ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. He said that CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "Well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Hodges believes the documents are frauds.

Doubts were being openly debated on rival networks. ABC News reported that they contacted more than a half dozen document experts who said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication, told ABC, "These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973."

He continued, "The cumulative evidence that's available ... indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter."

CNN contacted independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines who said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines is a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. She pointed to a superscript -- a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" -- as evidence indicating forgery.

After reviewing copies of the documents at her office in Paradise Valley, Arizona, Line said, "I'm virtually certain these were computer generated."

One expert counts at least 50 points that suggest the documents are forgeries.

The White House is remaining neutral on the documents' authenticity.

Press Secretary Scott McClellan said Friday, "We don't know whether the documents were fabricated or are authentic. The media has talked to independent experts who have raised questions about the documents."

He pointed out that CBS has not disclosed the source of the documents.

Newsweek is suggesting that Mapes received the documents from Bill Burkett, who it describes as a disgruntled former Guard officer. The magazine reports that Mapes flew to Texas to interview him.

If the documents are proven to be forgeries, the scandal would go to the highest level of CBS news. Talon News sources say that Jim Murphy, Executive Producer of the CBS Evening News, approves virtually every word that goes on the air. "60 Minutes II" Executive Producer Jeffrey Fager would also be on the endangered list, since his show originated the document story.

But more likely it would be Mapes who would take the fall along with Janet Leissner, the Washington Bureau Chief for CBS News. Leissner orchestrated the interview with White House communications director Dan Bartlett during which he was confronted with the suspect documents. Dan Rather was originally scheduled to do the interview, but White House correspondent John Roberts was substituted at the last minute for an unknown reason.

Mapes is no stranger to controversy as she also obtained the photographs of inmate abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. The source of the photographs as well as the documents now in question has never been revealed.

In 1999 Mapes was threatened with imprisonment if she failed to turn over the transcript of an interview that Dan Rather conducted with the third defendant being tried for murder in the dragging death of James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. CBS ultimately complied with the court's demand for the information.

Copyright © 2004 Talon News -- All rights reserved.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; cbsnews; forgery; fraud; killian; marymapes; rather
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To: Mo1

Man! I was getting worried about myself. I actually broke a $5 at Starbuck's!


101 posted on 09/13/2004 1:46:15 PM PDT by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: ConservativeMajority

So, the name of the dingbat is Mary Mapes.

Wonder how the 'Rats will punish her?


102 posted on 09/13/2004 1:48:08 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: demlosers
The type of people who believe that the "documents" are authentic are the type who:

1. Believe that O.J. Simpson is innocent of the murders of his wife and Ron Goldman.

2. Believe that professional wrestling is real.

3. Vote for Democrats.
103 posted on 09/13/2004 1:56:08 PM PDT by sport
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To: Smartass

104 posted on 09/13/2004 2:08:16 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: ConservativeMajority; Jeff Gannon

Damn!
Good work, Jeff.
No question we have COLLUSION!!


105 posted on 09/13/2004 2:14:05 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: TomGuy

Jeff gave up Mary Mapes in the Breaking Hannity thread.


106 posted on 09/13/2004 2:14:47 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: Lady Jag


LOL...I knew Dan Rather didn't have good dental work!
107 posted on 09/13/2004 4:43:12 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Happy2BMe
The worm has been found.


108 posted on 09/13/2004 7:20:25 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: ConservativeMajority
Rather talked with handwriting expert Marcel Matley who said that on the basis of his analysis of the signatures, he is pronouncing the documents to be authentic.

How can a 'handwriting expert' declare that a xerox copy of the original is authentic? It is unbeleivable how these liberals can twist the truth??????

109 posted on 09/13/2004 7:32:41 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: ConservativeMajority
The question is: who did Mapes obtain the docs from?
110 posted on 09/13/2004 7:34:02 PM PDT by uncitizen (Beware of fertilizer salesmen and their lawyers. They'll both try to sell you a load of crap.)
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To: ConservativeMajority
Rather dismissed his critics, saying, "Today, on the Internet and elsewhere, some people -- including many who are partisan political operatives -- concentrated not on the key questions the overall story raised but on the documents that were part of the support of the story."

That would be like a jury not looking at the fact that none of the evidence points to the accused, but instead that the accused is a nasty person with tattoos and an overall surly air.

111 posted on 09/13/2004 7:40:47 PM PDT by webheart (John Kerry is not the same as John F. Kennedy)
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To: ConservativeMajority

It looks like the liberals have taken over Dallas. There has been so much news out of Dallas that is bad lately.


112 posted on 09/13/2004 7:46:24 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ZULU
Oh, forgive me. I meant to say "And an older *liberal* trying to perpetuate such a hoax..."

Mea culpa.

113 posted on 09/13/2004 7:51:14 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: ConservativeMajority

BTTT from 3 days ago.


114 posted on 09/15/2004 9:58:06 PM PDT by freestyle ((It is fun and easy to incorporate Republican talking points into your writing!))
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To: AmericanMade1776

Well, she is a TX-based producer. I doubt they would have info on her.


115 posted on 09/15/2004 10:03:13 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: ConservativeMajority

Has anyone researched the relationship, if any, between Dan Rather's daughter Robin and this Burkett fellow? Isn't she also from Abiline texas?


116 posted on 09/15/2004 10:07:09 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: All
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117 posted on 09/15/2004 10:10:28 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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