New robot to uncover Pyramid mysteries: Egyptologist

Peoples Daily Online ^ | UPDATED: 08:11, August 12, 2004 | Editorial Staff

[Darksheare]

Yikes!

[SunkenCiv]

Facts? For example?

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[SunkenCiv]

Turned out to be the Queen's bathroom, and she still had all her lingerie drying on the shower rod. ;')

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[somemoreequalthanothers]

Like 70 ton stones in the high center of the pyramid that modern cranes could not place.
Or the granite blocks in the Kings Chamber that are smooth to within 1/100 of an inch....hard to machine to that standard with modern equipment.
Or that Merle Booker of the Indiana Limestone Institute of America calculated that using their present modern facility and TRIPLING their average production rate, it would take approximately 27 years to quarry, fabricate, and ship the material necessary to build the Great Pyramid.
No, the old RRR (ramps, ropes, rollers) method holds no water with me.

[Darksheare]

LOL!
Red faced mummy bump.

[SunkenCiv]

And that has exactly zero to do with whether or not it was built as a tomb.

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[SunkenCiv]

The worst part of using that bathroom, is the temptation to grab the end of what looks like the toilet tissue, and wind up pulling the Queen right out of the box. ;')

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[somemoreequalthanothers]

Nonsense. Explain to me how those Egyptians built it, if it was to be a tomb for the Pharoah.

[SunkenCiv]

Nonsense. Explain to me how those Egyptians built it, if it was to be a tomb for the Pharoah.

Nonsense. Explain to me how those Egyptians built it, even if it were NOT to be a tomb for the Pharaoh. The use to which it was put has nothing to do with the building methods. Methods changed here and there over time, but there was no impediment to constructing the Giza pyramids. Each pyramid (including the earlier ones from the 4th dynasty, and the pyramids and mastabas from earlier dynasties) has a different arrangement of rooms, analogous to the way every carved tomb in the Valley of the Kings and a number of other places (including the deep catacombs under the Giza plateau, which were also constructed as burial places) have different layouts.

During the New Kingdom (which is much later) even larger stones were carved (into statues) and moved down the river into the Delta. In Roman times the Mons Porphyrites and Mons Claudianus quarries in the eastern desert produced massive (in some cases, 100s of tons) carved stones which were transported all over the Empire, including all the way to Rome.

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks for those posts on the Dixon artifacts. Sounds like the curators were a little careless with 'em, but that used to be the case -- it if wasn't made out of gold, or painted up, or otherwise pretty, it wouldn't go on display.

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks, here's my little quickie posts in that same topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1206236/posts?page=18#18

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1206236/posts?page=31#31

[Ditter]

This is exciting & I am anxious to hear more but I am so claustrophobic that I can make myself nervous just thinking about going in there. LOL

[rintense]

I love archeology! The irony here is, it takes a modern robot to uncover/discover secrets from brilliant planning and technology from thousands of years ago.

[Darksheare]

That'd be my luck!

[Cacique]

L8R

[Kieri]

What do you think of Zahi Hawass? -I get the impression that he's weak on Egyptology and strong on Celebrity, acquisition of funds, P.R. etc. -He's always got some Geraldoesque scheme cooking, TV specials "never before seen chambers"...

I think Hawass is Egypt's version of Schumer. He never met a camera he didn't like.

There have been others who wanted to put cameras down the shaft but Hawass refused because their theories of what they'd find didn't jive with his. This is the guy who believes the Hebrews weren't slaves that built the pyramid, but paid workers with great health care!

[somemoreequalthanothers]

My point is that I do not know that Egyptians built the Great Pyramid.
Just because someone says so is not enough, and there is no compelling evidence that it was a tomb.
Do you agree to a stalemate?

[SunkenCiv]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I have read Schoch's book ("Voices..."; haven't got a good start on "Voyages..."), think I've got the JA West (who is a fanatical Anti-Bush demagogue last I bothered to check) book, and definitely enjoy my copy of that Sphinx video in which they appear (apart from Richard Hoaxland's segment on the non-face on Mars; at least Schoch gets the last word on that, stating for the record that he doesn't think that the Sphinx was built by ETs or people from Atlantis).

Rainer Stadelmann stated four years ago (and a little while before, and since) that Khufu (not Khafre) built the Sphinx at Giza, and naturally enough rejects Schoch/West et al's view that the Sphinx predates the Giza pyramids and the Egyptian dynastic period. IMHO, that was in part an antidote for the Egyptian texts (long known, not "translated" by Sitchin or something like that) from the New Kingdom (copied from an Old Kingdom text) and quoted by JAW that state that Khufu repaired the Sphinx, which was already in existence.

Schoch's view about the antiquity of the Sphinx and one of the nearby temples are based on geology (he's a geologist) and I generally support those. Khufu did build the Great Pyramid, using slave labor (not the Israelites; the pyramids they worked on were Middle Kingdom mudbrick structures); Zahi "Zowie" Hawass' claim that Egypt was a wonderful fantasyland where no one ever was held in slavery is so unutterably stupid I can hardly stand it. Lehner's finding of some villages constructed near the pyramid site doesn't mitigate against slavery -- obviously the slaves had to sleep at night and be fed and so on. But if Lehner bucks Hawass (and Lehner used to be an Edgar Cayce devotee; even wrote a small book for the ARE) he'll be kicked off the plateau.

Hawass seems to still refer to Stadelmann as "my good friend", so I don't think there's been any adverse reaction to his paper on the Sphinx. It actually serves as a defense against JAW, Schoch, and the radical redating they offer.

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[somemoreequalthanothers]

We can at least agree that HawASS is an idiot. For the reason you state, and one or two of my own.
If the Egyptians did indeed build it, we have yet to discover the method.

[Thinkin' Gal]

The Sphinx faces its own image. Not Leo in the sky in 10,500 BC, the one on the ground... the one drawn by Churchill on a dinner napkin. It is bowing toward Mecca.