Posted on 10/01/2004 7:56:38 AM PDT by Dr. Marten
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CORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP) - President Bush and Sen. John Kerry rushed back to the campaign trail Friday to try to convince voters they had won the debate over foreign policy and to renew the argument over whether going to war in Iraq had made the nation safer.
Three post-debate polls suggested voters who watched the policy-driven confrontation Thursday night were impressed by Kerry. Most of those surveyed said he did better than Bush.
Kerry's running mate, Sen. John Edwards, said Friday he told Kerry after the debate "I think people saw the next commander in chief," and he criticized Bush for failing to acknowledge problems in Iraq. "You can't fix a problem if you're not willing to admit that mistakes have been made and that you have a problem," he told ABC's "Good Morning America."
Bush, however, believed he had effectively spelled out the strategy and shown the resolve with which he is fighting the war on terror, White House communications director Dan Bartlett said. "I think he spoke from the heart, spoke with strength about the necessity for our country to fight the terrorists over there so we don't have to face them here at home," Bartlett told ABC. "He had a good time last night."
Kerry's campaign prepared a TV ad that featured newspaper headlines from Friday praising the Democrat's performance. The Democratic National Committee was rolling out a Web video showing clips of Bush appearing frustrated at the debate.
When Kerry leveled some of his charges, Bush appeared irritated and scowled at times and, at other moments, glanced away in apparent disgust. Kerry often took notes when the president spoke. The television networks offered a split screen to viewers so they could see both men at the same time and watch their reactions.
Bush knew he would be on camera during the entire debate and was aware that the networks had not agreed to show only the candidate who was speaking, Bush campaign spokeswoman Nicolle Devenish said. Regarding Bush's facial reactions, Devenish said: "The president reacted honestly. It showed the president really believes in his convictions."
From the first question, Kerry went on the offensive, accusing Bush of leaving U.S. alliances around the world "in shatters" and later calling Iraq "this incredible mess." Bush said Kerry had voted to authorize the war he now criticizes. "That's not how a commander in chief acts," Bush said.
Less than five weeks before the election, Iraq dominated the debate on a day when a string of bombs killed 35 children and wounded scores of others in western Baghdad. Overall, more than 1,000 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq.
Kerry summed up Bush's strategy for Iraq as "more of the same" and added: "This president has made, I regret to say, a colossal error of judgment. And judgment is what we look for in the president of the United States of America."
Bush acknowledged that not every American agrees with the decisions he's made. "But people know where I stand," Bush said, suggesting they don't know where Kerry stands. "People out there listening know what I believe."
From Florida, Bush was heading out Friday to rallies in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire, two key battleground states. Kerry was spending the day campaigning in Florida, where the presidential race was decided four years ago.
In Thursday night's encounter at the University of Miami, Bush and Kerry drew heavily on oft-repeated lines from their campaign speeches but they faced each other directly across the same stage for the first time.
On Iraq, Bush criticized Kerry for saying it was the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place. "What message does that send to our troops?" the president said. "Not a message a commander in chief gives."
Repeating a line he has used countless times to show his opponent is inconsistent, Bush tweaked Kerry for saying he voted for an $87 billion spending bill for Iraq and Afghanistan before he voted against it.
Kerry shot back, "Well, you know, when I talked bout the $87 billion, I made a mistake in how I talk about the war. But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq. Which is worse?"
Trying to persuade voters that he is tough enough to be commander in chief, Kerry said, "I believe in being strong and resolute and determined. And I will hunt down and kill the terrorists, wherever they are." He said that Bush, in invading Iraq, lost sight of the goal of capturing terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.
But Bush insisted that "the world is safer without Saddam Hussein." He called Iraq "a central part in the war on terror" and said 75 percent of bin Laden's leadership had been brought to justice.
Trying to turn Kerry's criticism against him, Bush said, "I understand what it means to be the commander in chief. And if I were to ever say, 'This is the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place,' the troops would wonder, 'How can I follow this guy?'"
To Kerry's contention that he could summon broader international support for the war, Bush said, "They're not going to follow someone whose core convictions keep changing because of politics."
While Iraq was the dominant issue in the debate, there were notable differences on North Korea and Iran, two nations suspected of pursuing nuclear weapons programs. Kerry urged that the United States hold direct bilateral talks with North Korea, but Bush called Kerry's proposal "a big mistake" that would crush multinational talks and remove pressure from China on North Korea. Kerry said North Korea has amassed more nuclear weapons during Bush's administration.
On Iran, Kerry said the United States should have worked with allies like France, Germany and Britain to impose sanctions if Tehran refused to give up its nuclear program.
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On debating skills yes. On substance, no way. Kerry showed himself to be a dangerous freak.
Kerry won the battle (the debate) but Bush will win the war (the Election).
I dunno. I kinda like the idea of having a president with magical, mystical powers that can just wave his magic wand and make everything OK. Relying on humans to solve our problems is so yesterday, man.
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Three? I've seen a gazillion polls this morning and everyone of them has Kerry winning handily. The undecided voters say Kerry won by a 2 to 1 margin.
We've got our work cut out for us. Roll up your sleeves. Register conservatives to vote and work your butt off until Novemeber 2. (Remember: The next debate is Friday night; High School football night across America / low viewing audience. Last night was the biggie and we didn't do well.) NOW, LET'S GO KICK SOME BUTT.
Sen. John McCain told reporters the debate was probably Kerry's "brightest moment" in the last six weeks. "He presented himself well, John did," McCain said. "Kerry came out slugging."
Typical McCain
Democratic National Committee was rolling out a Web video showing clips of Bush appearing frustrated at the debate.
I thought no clips could be used.
Kerry was polished. He also made a lot of faux pas in revealing exactly who he is and what he truly believes...
Global Test? No bunker busting nukes?, Iranian nuclear fuel?, forget the Chinese we can do it alone, etc., etc.,
Bush came off sincere, strong, and like he would protect America at all costs.
Kerry came off like the elitist globalist he is and not at all like he would protect my family.
Teresa looks like a witch. So? We're halfway there. LOL!
If I recall .. didn't they claim Gore won the 1st debate in 2000 also?
In Japan ...couldn't see it ...but all I've heard on Japanese TV ( and elsewhere ) is that Kerry won . The alphabet media is going out of its way to proclaim Kerry the victor , hoping to breathe some life into Ketchup Boy's sagging campaign ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232180/posts
A stroll down memory lane (Al Gore wins first debate)
Prediction: Kerry WILL NOT win the election !
I guess we made fun of Gore for some of the same things.
I could not watch the debate. Followed it on FR. Watching Bush speak is not my favorite activity - sort of like watching a car race and hoping there is no crash. I love him, but he has a rough time in these things. The great exception was his speech to Congress right after 9/11. One of the greatest speeches I've ever heard. Historic speech in an historic time.
A_R
Those who do not know the facts, believe Kerry won. Those who know the truth know that you can't win a debate by lying.
Kerry Lied. Plain and simple.
BITS
So right on!
Let's just go back to the happy days of endless resolutions with food for oil (and yes a little cash on the side to the Frenchies and Krauts) and happy UN meetings and votes. Hey let's just be 9/10 folks again. What do ya say? (more sarcasm)...
I had kind of a deja vu moment watching the debate. Like a lot of people, I've interviewed a lot of job applicants and sat on interview boards, etc.
Kerry struck me as the newly minted MBA type, very up on the latest jargon, team builder, someone long on "vision". Bush came across as the guy with years of experience who is currently doing the job (under a different title and at less pay) who knows what the real problems are and who has already solved several of them.
Kerry is the guy I'd hire for marketing or PR; Bush is the guy I'd hire to manage Operations.
Kerry finally presented a personality, making him tolerable to the swing voters and the 'anybody but Bush crowd.' Yipee. He presented a specifics-free 'plan' and promised generalities like 'bringing on Allies' and 'showing the world blah blah' - way to pick a stance when you're finally pressed for one John. He left his positions flexible enough to change at any moment he needs to until the election.
Bush said the same things he always has. Hmmm. Consistency. Resolve. Direction.
Style: Kerry
Substance: W
I don't think the terrorists are too afraid of a stylish debator.
However a Gallup poll taken post debate shows Bush with double digit leads over Kerry on the questions of "Who do you trust more to handle the responsibilities of commander-in-chief of the military" and "who would better handle the situation in Iraq"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/2004-09-30-debate-poll.htm
"""Kerry is the guy I'd hire for marketing or PR; Bush is the guy I'd hire to manage Operations."""
That is a perfect statement Gingersnap. Well said.
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