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'The Beast' movie: Jesus didn't exist; Former Christian director's secretive film
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| Tuesday, October 12, 2004
| Ron Strom
Posted on 10/12/2004 2:54:10 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
The Jewish Historian Josephus was a non christian source.
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posted on
10/12/2004 8:27:40 AM PDT
by
Delbert
To: philosofy123
Why don't we, the people on this planet get more easy to see signs, and hard to dispute proof. It would be hard to argue if a powerful Jesus would appear and speaks to us. Like these?
Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
The Tilma of Guadalupe
Incorrupt bodies of the saints
Fatima
Shroud of Turin
Sudarium of Oviedo
In 1977 Ruth Carter, Jimmy Carter's sister, helped Larry Flynt convert to Christianity. At the moment of conversion, Flynt said that he saw (paraphrasing) "the heavens open, cherubs, the usual thing." Usual? Not for any Christian that I know.
He continued (again paraphrasing), "But my psychologist helped me to see that this was just a figment of my imagination. Just wishful thinking."
In other words, it's possible to even deny one's own sensory experience, especially if one wants to. The power of rationalization can't be overestimated.
Most importantly, we are not in a position to tell God what He should reveal to us, since His Wisdom is so far above ours.
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posted on
10/12/2004 8:31:20 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: mollynme
"A lot of the people involved in making "The Passion" had interesting and life-changing encounters with the Holy Spirit. I wonder what kind of experiences the makers of this trash are going to have???" God may use them to attract some of his elect, who knows? It may just be the springboard that gets them into thinking for the first time about this "Jesus" business.
Or are you one of those who believes than puny man is able to thwart what the Sovereign Creator and Sustainer of the Universe is doing?
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posted on
10/12/2004 8:40:58 AM PDT
by
Matchett-PI
(All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
To: JohnHuang2
Hah! Reminds me of a "joke" I once read:
"God is dead"- Voltaire
"Voltaire is Dead"- God
To: Skooz
"Well, yeah. But that isn't really the point.
The physical destruction of Herod's Temple is not in the Bible."
True enough the specific description of the physical destruction is not described, yet Christ made Himself the temple, changing the focus of a building being a requirement for a "temple" for Christians.
John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when He had made a scourge of small cords, He drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changer's money, and overthrew the tables'
16 And said unto them that sold doves, "Take these things hence; make not My Father's house an house of merchandise."
17 And His disciples remembered that it was written "THE zeal of Thine house hath eaten me up."
Note this remembrance is quoting Psalms 69:9, making Psalms part of the New Testament. Got to know what Psalms says to understand what is going on here.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto Him, "What sign shewest Thou unto us, seeing that Thou doest these things?"
They knew Psalms and other places was being referenced as well.
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, "Destroy this Temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Christ became the Temple at His death.
22. When therefore He was risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Note the disciples believed the scripture ...... the New had not been penned so the disciples believe the OLD which was quoted and made part of the NEW. Got to know the OLD in order to understand the NEW.
Yet when asked by the disciples the signs of His return he describes not one stone left atop another, (a pile of sand) and there are certainly still stone atop another yet to this day. The destruction described was one that would take place at Christ's return.
I can find it Written no where that a third building will be, must be built.
To: Just mythoughts
Exactly.
My point is that some choose to believe that the Gospels were written many years (75-200) after the Crucifixion. The best scholarship points to much earlier dates (35-65 AD).
IF the Gospels or epistles were written at such a late date, it would have been impossible to ignore the destruction of Jerusalem.
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posted on
10/12/2004 8:48:55 AM PDT
by
Skooz
(Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
To: Skooz
"My point is that some choose to believe that the Gospels were written many years (75-200) after the Crucifixion. The best scholarship points to much earlier dates (35-65 AD).
IF the Gospels or epistles were written at such a late date, it would have been impossible to ignore the destruction of Jerusalem."
Could it be that there is a reason why tooooo many Christians have not been taught that Christ is the TEMPLE and are led astray believing that a building must be constructed?
Remember Christ's first warning about the sign of His return was deception. Now if most Christians are taught there has to be another temple built and that is not written then are they not following another Christ????
To: CourtneyLeigh
Hey Courtney! How ya been?!
Every man/woman has built into them a knowlege of eternity. Along with this comes the dread of that "great and terrible day of the Lord".
They can put on a brave face, accuse believers of being narrow minded, hateful, and bear false witness about them. But how does one explain away men like Richard Wurmbrand and Brother Yun? There are a lot of others, but these guys come to mind innediately. These people know in their heart of hearts that there is a righteous God, and that He searches hearts and judges the wicked. They inwardly KNOW this even though they won't admit to it.
It's gonna be mighty humiliating to be FORCED onto the knee, and being FORCED to confess the "man" by that very "man" who never existed!
Hoo-boy! That's one I don't care to go through thank you very much! :-)
To: tomnbeverly
"There is no doubt we are in the time of tribulation. Revelation tells us to beware the False Prophet... And how will we know who he is... Some say that you can tell because he will claim False miracles promising life from death.. well isn't a promise of life from death exactly what Embryonic stem cell research is?" Are you aware that your eschatological viewpoint (one of the various flavors of "Dispensationalism") is a doctrine that is barely 160 years old?
The Application of the Scriptures: A Biblical Refutation of Dispensationalism
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posted on
10/12/2004 8:57:29 AM PDT
by
Matchett-PI
(All DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
To: hiredhand
Hey you! Doing good, How are you?
You've got that right, brother! :o)
I don't think I could stand to see all that crying and all those shamed faces as they cringe before the ever-lasting, blinding, domineering, Omnipotency of the Lord Jesus Christ.
HE's gonna be big, cuz, they are so small......
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posted on
10/12/2004 8:58:11 AM PDT
by
CourtneyLeigh
(Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
To: djf
re: Josephus
The argument against Josephus is that there are no copies of his work that actually date from the pre-Christian period. All of them are copies of copies of copies, most likely done in monasteries by scribes not above slipping in a little extra something. I'm not really a scholar of these things, but apparently the evidence is that the passage in question has certain characteristics that point to it being written by a different author than the rest of the book.
If you're interested, here's a website dedicated to the argument over the reliability of Josephus:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/josephus.html
To: Matchett-PI
Sure.
As we get closer to Christ's return, God reveals more and more of His Kingdom and the Holy Spirit opens His Word to that which is concerns us today.
Christ's return is imminent.
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posted on
10/12/2004 9:01:30 AM PDT
by
Skooz
(Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
To: Heyworth; djf
That snippet in Josephus' writings has been debated for many years--with both sides presenting good arguments.
I wouldn't base my faith on it.
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posted on
10/12/2004 9:03:22 AM PDT
by
Skooz
(Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
To: Skooz
The physical destruction of Herod's Temple is not in the Bible. How about Matthew 24 first & second verses?
Jesus prophesizes about future events. This chapter is the most confusing to me, I believing owing to lack of time reference for each specific event.
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posted on
10/12/2004 9:04:58 AM PDT
by
skeeter
To: skeeter
Well, yeah. But I'm not talking about as prophesy.
The destruction of Jerusalem and Herod's Temple as an historical event is not broached, thereby lending much credence to the view that the Gospels were written before 70 AD.
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posted on
10/12/2004 9:06:57 AM PDT
by
Skooz
(Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
To: bexardave
Who intervened with Paul...what persuaded him to do a 180 degree turnaround? What persuaded him to trade in his comfortable life for one that would lead to scourging, stoning, shipwreck, imprisonment and ultimately beheading?
I have no problem with that. I do believe in Divine Intervention.
My comment on Paul was to illustrate that at the time The Christ was performing His ministry there was no reason for it to be included in the official annuls hence, there would be no reason for Him to be mentioned by the contemporary historical sources.
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posted on
10/12/2004 9:07:58 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: Matchett-PI
I checked out the site you noted and question its veracity, after all remember what Daniel was told
Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, "O MY Lord, what shall be the end of these things?'
9 And he said, 'Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
That word "sealed" is an interesting study in and of its self.
To: Just mythoughts
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posted on
10/12/2004 9:09:08 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: R. Scott
To: Publius6961
I don't believe that the Revolutionary War actually took place. Convince me.Easy. The U.S. Postal Service put it on a whole series of stamps. Would the USPS lie to us?
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posted on
10/12/2004 9:12:49 AM PDT
by
sphinx
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