Posted on 10/13/2004 9:48:00 AM PDT by MindBender26
Kerry Lost Security Clearance!
Just spoke with reporter friend in DC. She is talking with former USN ONI types who worked on DOD/USN investigation that resulted in total loss of Kerry’s Navy security clearance.
Kerry had been granted a Top Secret by the Navy on October 11, 1967 based on a routine background investigation by Office of Naval Intelligence. A top secret clearance was required for his work at that time.
Obtaining and holding a security clearance of any level, especially TS or above, requires certain terms, obligations, commitments and conditions from the holder. One of the most important is the holder of the clearance must promptly and fully any contacts with any foreign officials, agents, etc.
Lieutenant Kerry left active duty with the Navy on January 3, 1970, but he still carried those obligations as a commissioned officer of the Naval Reserve. Without telling anyone and without receiving permission from superiors,FBI or counter-intelligence officers, he traveled to Paris in the summer of 1970. He claimed the purpose of his trip was a honeymoon with his first wife, Julia Thorne, but there was another hidden purpose.
Numerous North Vietnamese and Viet Cong intelligence agents and officials were in Paris, having arrived a year earlier for the “Peace Talks.” While in Paris, Kerry met with agents on a number of occasions and had extensive discussions with them about U.S. plans, procedures and how to get the U.S. to essentially surrender in Vietnam.
These clandestine meetings were never reported to the Navy.
Almost a year later, in April 1091, speaking as the leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against The War, Lieutenant Kerry told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents. Senior DOD officials wanted to prosecute him as a Naval Reserve officer for violating a number of laws and regulations, but this was vetoed by the Nixon White House. They didn’t want to give the anti-war crowd any additional PR ammunition.
However, the Navy immediately pulled Kerry’s security clearance. He became a Naval Reserve officer who was known not to be trusted. He kept his commission, but lost all access to any classified information. In the words of one of the now-retired agents, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”
The bottom line is, Kerry was on the Intelligence Committee of the Senate after the Paris fiasco and another trip to support the Moscow-backed Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
Today, he couldn’t get a security clearance to pull KP duty, but he wants to be Commander in Chief of all our military in the War on Terrorism!
no it won't. Noone in the MSM, including FOX now, wants W to win. Must have taken a lot of $$$.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG AS A US SENATOR HE MUST HAVE A TOP SECURITY CLEARANCE...OTHERWISE HE COULD NOT ATTEND NATIONAL SECURITY BRIEFINGS...SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE??
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Kerry said he will make sure we work with other nations...
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Where is this breaking???"??
It should be illegal for this guy to run for President. This is blasphemous.
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"... Must have taken a lot of $$$."
As in "$ORO$", perchance???
Qualifying for a Crypto clearance is tougher than qualifying for Top Secret.
Yet, there is plenty of evidence to suggest and reasonably, that his career was NOT your career and that having common dates (or near enough) on two occasions of paperwork, does not offer significant data that overrides the much greater bulk of the data that is in stark contrast between his and your careers.
Others at this forum have made estimates based on that situation, but for reasons known only to you, to date, you have argued against their estimates on the basis of misrepresenting their estimates up to a higher level, that is to say, as if they were making assertions ... when they, several, were not making assertions, they were just wondering, trying to put together the pieces.
I'm interested in their estimates and your estimates, several of which, I do not regard with the disdain as you have derided others by describing their interests as "nonsense."
On the chance that information does come to the light of day, advancing their estimates that Lt. Kerry was subject to some kind of investigations and thus potentially held up enroute to an Honorable certificate, that you yourself will issue individually, to all whom you have derided, certificates of apology for your conduct.
cc: Mrs. Jones
The theory that Kerry received a less than honorable discharge and President Carter intervened on his behalf is not based on any facts and is contradicted by the official records. As much as I dislike Kerry, I just don't buy or support this groundless speculation. Our focus should be on Kerry's antiwar activities with the VVAW while he was still in the inactive reserves subject to recall. As I have indicated, Kerry has been revising his website to mask the fact that he was still in the reserves during the period 1970-72. IMO, this is what he is hiding in terms of his reserve status.
Individual certificates of apology? You must be joking. None given or expected. I would welcome it if this speculation were proven true. I just think the chances of this happening are slim to none and slim just left town.
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WROOG WRONG WRONG. Elected officials and WH staffers get briefngs regardless of ability to get security clearance.
Would Clinton, with his Moscow trips and draft dodging ever gotten one? No.
Thank you. I really appreciate your comments.
"Kerry was probably issued a dishonorable discharge when his security clearance was stripped."
I'm coming late to the party, but I didn't see anyone else say...
Only a General Court-Martial can award a dishonorable discharge. It cannot be awarded administratively.
Unless Kerry was tried and convicted by a General Court-Martial, he did not get a dishonorable discharge.
Is it possible that he could have kept a trial by General Court-Martial quiet all this time? The proceedings of such trials are a matter of public record.
It is more likely that he got a general discharge, which can be awarded administratively. Worst case, he got an other-than-honorable.
I say this despite my personal feeling that he should have been impaled on a stake.
"I was transferred into the Standby Reserves the same year, i.e., 1972, and received my HD on Feb 16, 1978, the same date as Kerry with the same boilerplate letter."
I didn't go in until 74, so maybe things were different earlier, but at that time committments were for a total of 6 years, active and reserve.
It sounds like you are saying you did active duty plus 6 years in the reserve. Is that right?
It sounds like you are saying you did active duty plus 6 years in the reserve. Is that right?
In my case, I had a regular commission and an active duty requirement of five years. In reality, I completed almost 8 years on active duty and resigned my commission in 1972 and went directly into the Standby Reserves. I didn't receive my HD until Feb 16, 1978.
Kerry went into the Standby Reserves in 1972 after completing his six year requirement in the Reserves--three years on active duty and three years in the Inactive Ready Reserves.
I am assuming that the Standby Reserves are an administrative tool to transition officers through the system until final discharge. I did not request to enter the Standby Reserves nor did I request to leave them. A Navy Board makes the determination on an annual basis as to who to retain and who to let go. On an earlier thread, a Navy Medical Officer remained in the Standby Reserves for almost 20 years with no action on his part.
Members of the Standby Reserve may only be called to active duty in time of war or national emergency declared by Congress. In the Ready Reserves, you can be called to active duty in time of war or national emergency proclaimed by the President. I assume the Standby Reserves are set up as a military resource to capitalize on a pool of trained, experienced personnel in case of a dire emergency. The chances of being called up are remote given the Congressional requirement.
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