Posted on 10/30/2004 8:13:47 AM PDT by watchinginawe
UBL spent considerable time explaining how the idea of attacking the "Towers" came to him in the 80's. He was attacking "Towers" then, now he is attacking "States".
UBL: I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken to understand. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I cant explain but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the US to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women.
I think he is attempthing to divide us as a nation.
I have seen some of this division in this election, have you? I have seen some libs claim that if GWB is elected, then so be it. They will not have any compassion for those affected since the Nation is so blind and didn't heed F/911 and Kerry. Scary times.
Yeah, in International law, each nation is a "state" in the terms that it's a nation state. The US is screwy compared with the rest of the world by referring to what most other countries would call "provinces" or something similar as states. So it's an error in the translation, as OBL surely means US states when talking about govoners and nation-states when talking about threats.
Agreed. Unfortunately, the given translation is all we have to work with at the moment. We don't have the resources of the CIA.
I think my interpretation is possible. Do you think the tape was directed to many Nation States or the US? I think it was clearly to the US. I don't think he was threatening Australia and the UK in that tape.
Nuke that b*stard and his band of demented followers. Period.
Of course you're right about the language translation, and there is also the matter of translating his views- a nutcase paranoid living underground- to reality.
I think all one can conclude from the tape is that he still doesn't like us.
It's possible, but I don't think it's likely. The Vienna Treaty on Treaty, the UN Charter, and most other international documents all refer to nations as "states." It's even possible OBL used the same arabic word when talking about the US-states and his other use of the word "states," but I've got to belive they mean two different things.
I mean, realistically, how would OBL know which US states were providing troops or whatnot and which weren't? We don't have Civil-War-esqu State based armies any more in the US, they're all mixed up.
And wasn't the whole "we won't harm states that don't harm us" thing right after he was talking about why Al-Q didn't hit Sweeden? If that's the case, that would suggest that "States" means nations, and not US states.
boy I just misspelled a lot of words...
Very good rant right on target.
> It seems clear to me that Osama is threatening specific states of the union, particularly Florida. <
No, Einstein, the term "state" means nation in this context.
Ugh. Stupid me. Why didn't that occur to me? [/sarcasm]
> Ugh. Stupid me. Why didn't that occur to me? [/sarcasm]<
Cognitive limitations?
Why'd you ask the questions for then?
The attacks were still going on. He was alerted to the second plane while he was in the classroom and the Pentagon and Pennsylvania had not happened yet. Taking a page straight from Michael Moore and Kerry and all their supporters, he made the reference to insinuate President Bush could have done something to stop it.
That is the meaning of what he said.
The meaning of the 50,000 is the approx number of people who were expected to be in the towers when the attack hit. It is a reference to the fact that the plan was to kill many many more than the 3000 (as we all knew that very day---remember?) that were.
Help me out here. Which questions are you referring to? This one? These? You have me confused now.
"The Americans have to know one point only which is; if GWB lose the election the terrorists will declare victory and their attacks will get worse and their cells will sneak every where by two major ways. First is by nuclear mushroom like spread in ME and Africa while the second spread will be octopus like spread with long arms inside Europe and US."
"The terrorists fears GWB and will take a deep breath and expand if he is losing!"
GWB MUST WIN.
But his particular mention is that the President left 50,o000 people in the towers to face the attacks. Those attacks had already happened. Moore's screed was to imply confusion and fear in the President that paralyzed his decision making. This, I think, is something different.
I see it as exactly what Moore was saying.
Moore and others have said President Bush could have "done something".
It didn't make any sense when they said it, either.
"Each state that doesn't mess with our security has automatically secured their security."
When reading the UBL transcript, I couldn't help but think of the scripture: "What does it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul"? (Mark 8:36). If Americans really think that by leaving UBL and the other radical Muslims unchecked will buy us peace and security, they are sadly mistaken. We can bury our heads in the sand while that monster grows fatter and fatter and eventually swallows us, or we can FIGHT! I vote to re-elect President Bush and FIGHT!
"Each state that doesn't mess with our security has automatically secured their security."
Paging Neville Chamberlain
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