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Washington Post: Bush 49%, Kerry 48% - 10/30/04
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2004/charting.html ^ | 10/30/04

Posted on 10/30/2004 2:04:40 PM PDT by Timeout

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To: JonDavid
It’s more like President Bush 5-7 points. Take that to the BANK!! Look, Comrade Kerry is losing in Hawaii. Hawaii, which has gone only two, times Republican (Nixon & Reagan) since statehood. Kerry now has to send Al Gore, of all people, there to save him. Now what’s that tell you?

Not much. The electorate has changed post 9/11. States like NJ and HI have been affected more than most, but just because they're 15% further right than 2000 doesn't mean other states have been impacted in the same manner. 5-7% is possible, but in my estimation unlikely. Bush has consistently polled 2-3% higher than Kerry, and I think that's where it'll finish.

61 posted on 10/30/2004 2:25:42 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Callahan

As big as the weapons story was, any Kerry gain would have registered almost immediately.

This is just the weekend effect. Nothing more.

Some things lag....but nothing that big if it were going to make an impact.


62 posted on 10/30/2004 2:25:43 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: MichaelTN04

Good work.


63 posted on 10/30/2004 2:25:51 PM PDT by JonDavid
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To: VadeRetro

Tucker Carson is a joke.


64 posted on 10/30/2004 2:27:55 PM PDT by JonDavid
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To: TonyInOhio; All

I'm encouraged by at least three things today:

1) The Newsweek poll

2) An AP reporter dropped a little bomblet in the middle of his article, writing: "As Bush and Kerry crisscrossed Midwest battleground states, a new poll [Newsweek] showed the president moving ahead of Kerry in the popular vote, and DEMOCRATS SAID THEIR PRIVATE SURVEYS HINTED AT MOMENTUM FOR THE REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT". Now, ask yourself, why would a Kerry insider leak something like that? It tells me things must be pretty grim for them.

3) Obi-Wan's use of the word "landslide". Ordinarily a campaign plays down expectations and certainly doesn't reveal "landslide" indicators based on just a couple of days' polling. This (in my view) is an astonishing comment at this stage of the race.

I think something's up...something below the radar.


65 posted on 10/30/2004 2:28:53 PM PDT by Timeout (Just hours to go....before we sleep!)
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To: IndependantVoter
I was being sarcastic.

Regardless of the poller, Kerry's numbers never put him ahead. The Times story was a gift, especially the timing.

Bin Laden endorsed Kerry. Again, a gift.

66 posted on 10/30/2004 2:28:55 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: oceanview

It is the media combined with the extreme level of anti-bush hatred by a significant minority that has propelled Kerry this close.


67 posted on 10/30/2004 2:29:04 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: JonDavid
Tucker Carson is a joke.

Is he the guy on Crossfire? If he is, he is the reason I don't watch that show.

68 posted on 10/30/2004 2:29:09 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Timeout

At this point, tracking polls are nonsense. We've gotten our October surprise, people have made up their minds. Kerry always goes up on the weekends anyway. I'm thinking about just staying off FR and TV until Tuesday night.

Bush has this wrapped up, people. Feel good.


69 posted on 10/30/2004 2:29:52 PM PDT by Gunder
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To: JonDavid
Tucker Carson is a joke. Actually I think the correct expression would be: Tucker Carlson is a dick!
70 posted on 10/30/2004 2:30:39 PM PDT by MoonBat
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To: Lucas McCain

i just heard Fred Barnes and Mort Kondracke predict that Bush will win... they think OBL tape does nothing to help Kerry...


71 posted on 10/30/2004 2:31:49 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: dogbyte12
You could lose 90 to 10% in states with 268 electoral college votes, but win 50.1% in states that have 272 and become president.

Mathematically possible, but we know it doesn't work that way. For instance, recall that in 2000 the popular vote and electoral votes were both hair-raisingly close, although they broke different ways. That's the baseline to use in looking at this race.

Bush is polling better than he did in 2000 in state after state, including such blue states as Hawaii, California, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. He's having little trouble holding his own solid red states, although Kerry is throwing all he has against Florida and Ohio, narrowly won by Bush last time.

That "state after state" business is the key. Any truly national trend won't be confined to just two or three states. When Bush Senior was in trouble in the '92 contest, one heard much in the late days about his "electoral strategy." It didn't work. Too many states toppled to Clinton. Unless the shift is truly regional rather than national, or too tiny to register, a shift in the popular vote will be magnified rather than suppressed in the electoral vote.

72 posted on 10/30/2004 2:32:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A self-reliant conservative citizenry is a better bet than the subjects of an overbearing state. -MS)
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To: COEXERJ145

The rounded 49.3 down. All of these polls follow rounding rules. It sounds like Bush really had 49.5 or so yesterday which rounded up to 50.


73 posted on 10/30/2004 2:33:02 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: VadeRetro

Of course you are right, I was just showing an extreme example of the issue. If the race is within 2 points nationally, the electoral college is up for grabs.


74 posted on 10/30/2004 2:35:15 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Timeout

Advise from Jay Cost at Horserace blog:

Polls to watch this weekend:
Gallup
Time
Pew
Strategic Vision
Quinnipiac
Mason-Dixon
Battleground

Polls to avoid this weekend:
Zogby
ICR
TIPP
Rasmussen
Survey USA
Democracy Corps
ARG
Newsweek
Any poll you have never heard of


75 posted on 10/30/2004 2:35:28 PM PDT by elizabetty
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To: Timeout

Regarding #2, the only problem is that yesterday's Dem conference call with reporters said just the opporsite -- that polls were moving Kerry's way. And in fact, that's exactly what we've seen from Zogby, Ras, ABC/WaPo, and Fox.

Can't take what they whisper to reporters as the truth. The dems are experts at planting misinformation.

I'm not panicking, but we just have to take everything with a grain.


76 posted on 10/30/2004 2:36:30 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: elizabetty

Advise = advice (Sorry for the error)


77 posted on 10/30/2004 2:36:45 PM PDT by elizabetty
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To: MoonBat
I didn't think you could say that
78 posted on 10/30/2004 2:37:15 PM PDT by JonDavid
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To: JonDavid
Actually, since ABC notes that Bush effective "lost" 2/10 of a point, this leads me to believe that he might have had 49.6 yesterday and 49.4 today.

Kerry could have anywhere from 47.5 to 48.4

so, it could be as close as 1 point, or as far as 1.9

since there are 2347 LVs, this is roughly:

2347 x .486 = 1141 people yesterday's results
2347 x .484 = 1136 people today's results

we're talking about FIVE PEOPLE....

and note from ABC:

Highly prized moveable voters -- those who say they haven't definitely made up their minds -- divide now by 47-36 percent in Bush's favor. Because they're a small group -- eight percent of all likely voters -- that's not a meaningful change from yesterday.

Bush is still ahead in moveables...

79 posted on 10/30/2004 2:38:03 PM PDT by KeatsforFirstDog
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To: dogbyte12
... Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin are what matter. If those 3 states are swept, it's over.

Well, yeah, but why would you think Kerry could sweep all 3?

Bush will win Florida.
Give him the other states already in his column and add:

New Mexico

Iowa

and Hawaii.

That's all he needs for 270. No Wisconsin, no Ohio, etc. I'm not saying he won't take any of those midwest states...just that he can pretty easily do it without them.

The LA Times has a good electoral calculator. [click on the map].

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Speaking of which, does anyone know when exactly the Cheney Aloha rally is? That should be something to see!

80 posted on 10/30/2004 2:46:38 PM PDT by Timeout (Just hours to go....before we sleep!)
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