Free Trade Area of the Americas(FTAA). A discussion....(vanity)

[Liberalism=MentalDisorder]

I am looking for some dialogue with fellow conservatives on the Free Trade Area of the America's(FTAA). I have been doing a lot of research into this and as a conservative it is very troubling. It would seem to be more of the globalist "new world order" agenda at work and looks to cause the erasure of the American border.

One problem is, most of the groups(aside from the Birchers) who oppose the FTAA are wacky nutjob liberals- the communist party of the USA and other looney left radical marxist groups oppose it because of its association with "evil global corporations" and think it doesn't go far enough. Any conservative that see's these crazies protesting in Miami will want nothing to do with their cause and assume they are wrong in opposing the FTAA(they are wrong about WHY they are opposing it).

From my own research it seems that Mexican president Fox behaves as if the FTAA is a done deal. That in itself is also troubling. It explains the reluctance on the US governments part to seal up the borders or do anything about illegal immigration.

Now that we have Bush re-elected I wonder if any of us will actually put pressure on the White House on issues like immigration and border security. If Karl Rove is any indication it doesn't look like the White House gives a rat's behind what the people think on that issue and the more you learn about the FTAA the more it makes you wonder about the real agenda here. Why is there so much talk about "Homeland Defence" when our own back door is wide open?

I would like to hear from those of you that are educated on this subject as well as those who have never heard about it as I think this is something conservatives need to be aware of. I know many of us that don't consider ourselves neocons are not happy with globalism and the FTAA seems to be the first concrete step in that direction.

At first it seems like tinfoil hat material but then you read something like this:

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, a member of the executive committee of the Trilateral Commission and a longtime power in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), called the vote on NAFTA the single most important decision that Congress would make during Mr. Clinton's first term. Indeed, Kissinger acknowledged in the Los Angeles Times that passage of NAFTA "will represent the most creative step toward a new world order taken by any group of countries since the end of the Cold War...." NAFTA "is not a conventional trade agreement," he noted, "but the architecture of a new international system."

Representative Tom Tancredo (R-CO) has clearly and correctly warned:

"There are people in the [Bush] administration, and in Mexico, and in Congress, who believe that we should do away with borders entirely. Their ultimate goal is to create this hemispheric ‘free trade’ area consolidating all of North and South America into some kind of ‘United States of the Americas.’"

Is that what we want as conservatives??

The FTAA is even listed here as one of the worst Fed programs: http://www.conservativeusa.org/12worst.htm

Now that we as Republicans control the majority of power, what will we do with it? By the way, as far as I know Bush has stated he wants to press the FTAA through in January. Ask you're friends, I bet not a one has even heard of the FTAA.

Here is the link to the official FTAA page: http://www.ftaa-alca.org/alca_e.asp

This page has a lot of info and is from the John Birch Society: http://www.stoptheftaa.org/default.html

If you do a cursory search you will find all kinds of looney leftist groups that oppose it but I am not posting those links.

What say all of you?

[hedgetrimmer]

The third draft agreement of the FTAA.

It clearly states that the FTAA will create "frameworks for economic integration in the Hemisphere" which means the FTAA is the EU of our part of the globe,

They state that the FTAA will create a " just society based on solidarity"-- solidarity like the international socialists would like to achieve.

The will protect and "enforce intellectual property rights" for global corporations, but they never mention private property rights for individuals.

and will be instrumental in "securing proper international integration;" which is incorporation under the WTO which is a subsidary organization of the United Nations.

They will implement "the preceding in a manner consistent with international human rights norms and principles" like Dafur, Sudan, right?

Here is the agreement they would like to ratify next year.

http://www.alca-ftaa.org/FTAADraft03/ChapterI_e.asp

[AuntB]

" They can produce goods more cheaply than we can. "

Yes, and a nation that produces NOTHING is destined for destruction. Our manufacturing base is next to nothing now.
"even if their governments are corrupt and totalitarian, greater economic freedom and opportunity will--eventually--result in greater political freedom."


Yes, that was the promise of NAFTA, and it was a lie. We were told it would stop illegal migration as well. Ha! Mexicans are doing SO much better now. NOT.

[Liberalism=MentalDisorder]

So this will supercede our constitution yet hardly anyone has heard of it nor do too many people seem too concerned. New world order at its finest.

[Liberalism=MentalDisorder]

BTTT!!

[monkeywrench]

Bttt!

[magnum force 1]

I have recently become aware of this and am in shock.
If this goes though we may as well kiss the constitution
goodbye. What is needed is to flood congress with emails.
We also need to contact the media, Fox, Rush and any other
conservative we can. I am surprised that the Freepers are
not all over this. They really could help.

[LyleWilson]

What the hizzy? When did you all become a bunch of limp wristed protectionist liberals? Reagan must be spinning in his crazy! (RIP)

"clearly states that the FTAA will create 'frameworks for economic integration in the Hemisphere' which means the FTAA is the EU of our part of the globe."

Uh, yeah. EXACTLY! Just like the EU is the United States of America on their side of the globe! Why is America so rich? Basically, because each state is about the size of a country and guess what? They freely trade - goods, labor, and money flow freely, and the rules are pretty much the same everywhere! The example of 50 freely trading states is the strongest case for free trade ever!

"Yes, and a nation that produces NOTHING is destined for destruction. Our manufacturing base is next to nothing now."

What?! Are you honestly telling me that you want to work in a factory assembling harness wires? Why?! Do you also long for the days of working in the fields harvesting the wheat? The exportation of menial jobs allows for the creation of more meaningful jobs!

And what is this fear of Mexican terrorists? Mexicans and terrorists can already walk across our border right now! Terrorists can hop on a plane and fly here.

Anyway, don't jump in bed with the Liberals, support the FTAA!