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'Anti-Male' Marketing Prompts Complaints
CNSNews.com ^ | November 09, 2004 | Susan Jones

Posted on 11/10/2004 9:41:03 AM PST by MisterRepublican

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To: HitmanNY
No that is not Pavlovian conditioning, which I think is also the basis of brainwashing.

Ring bell, feed dog, ring bell feed dog. After a few times, ring bell and dog salivates.

See stupid man on tv. see stupid male on tv. After a few hundred thousand times, see man, you think of him as stupid.

The same thing is done constantly over and over. Not only men but conservatives. See hunter, always evil, see hunter always evil. You see one in real life, think evil.

141 posted on 11/10/2004 11:37:34 AM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

Reward good behavior, punish bad behavior, at a personal level, has much more impact than what you are suggesting, at least it has in my life.


142 posted on 11/10/2004 11:39:01 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: yarddog

Right, and while it is great that some individuals aren't bothered by this, it poisens the culture and defiles opportunities.


143 posted on 11/10/2004 11:40:30 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Sweet Southern Freedom

Speaking of tough women in movies, Lifetime Channel must have bought up every made-for-tv movie about men abusing women in every way imaginable (at home, at work, being stalked, on the police force, etc.), and the woman in the last 15-20 minutes giving "the dirty beast" what for. Lifetime shows these flicks constantly, interrupted only by reruns of Golden Girls and The Nanny...


144 posted on 11/10/2004 11:40:32 AM PST by Exeter
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To: jammer

I am sure Afro American males get the same treatment and worse from their DOMENERING WIVES/GIRLFRIENDS. I have seen it already , it's not just white men who are getting that treatment from their GFs or wives. But, this kind of thing is not Biblical, GOD NEVER ! called the woman to DOMENATE over her husband , nor did GOD call the husband to treat his wife badly or like a dirty rag. Read EPH chapter 5.


145 posted on 11/10/2004 11:41:54 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Constitution Day
I hate this commercial, described here. Mutual disrespect in this one. I don't know what this website is, but they pretty well nail the dynamics going on between the two people. What was Chevy thinking??

Chevy has a series of horrifying ads out as well, and you've seen them: they're the "hemi" ads. Bafflingly, they feature a highly icky couple whose prominent dynamic seems to be mutual loathing for one another. And this isn't very surprising, as the actors both come off as utterly repulsive people. The progenitor of this set of misanthropic ads has the mom cooing at the kid in the back about the gentle ride of the ginormous SUV they are navigating, and extolling the virtues of the DVD player and the gentle shocks. The irritable husband chafes at this, and says, "What are you DOING to him?" The terrible wife, adopting a rather glacial tone, responds that she's just trying to educate the doomed little sprite as to the relative benefits of their war machine. The husband rolls his eyes extravagantly, as if to say, "I can't believe I put up with this horrific **** every day." The wife of course looks like a vengeful rodent.

Next you see the brutish dad holding up the kid and pointing to the vehicle's huge-ass motor: "There's only one thing you need to know about this car--HEMI! Can you say "hemi"?" The kid does, completing the circuit of dysfunction that will surely earn this guy periodic weekend visits once his terrifying wife destroys him in family court. Well done!


146 posted on 11/10/2004 11:42:09 AM PST by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: MisterRepublican

My wife has gotten tired of me commenting about this, but she agrees. Dodge has the family where the guy is a knuckle-dragger, or at the grill sets the oven-mit on fire, or can't fold up the stroller to put in the van.

I like the Levi's commercial where the guy gives his ex a flower, and while she is putting it in water, he get's his jeans and gets out. Treats guys quite well...


147 posted on 11/10/2004 11:45:29 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Iowa - at home in the red.)
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To: Gorzaloon

"Teaching 'there is no difference between boys and girls', until, the very manager who spouted the man-hate at me became a parent of a girl and then a boy. Then, she observed, marvelling, that there really IS a difference! Amazing!!"

Leftist celebrity-thing Rosie O'Donnell came to the same conclusion. When she adopted her boy and girl, she said she tried to get the boy to play with the doll and the girl to play with the truck, but when she came back they were back to the traditional behavior.

First, imagine how much damage has been done to millions of children by misguided leftists who try to change WHAT THEY ARE. And they claim to be the ones who are tolerant and respectful.

As to the anti-male commercials, it's pretty simple, really. At its base is the anti-family attitude of the radical left. How radical? To the point that Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto called for its abolition. Really? Yep... listen:

"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists." (p. 87, Pocket Books paperback edition)

Marx goes on to criticize the family as a structure resulting from economic forces, to the point of suggesting that it is the result of the class struggle. Never mind that even higher animals have a family structure, with father, mother and children. I suppose Marx would say that's because the alpha male gorilla had more bananas than the beta.

The left knows that if you want to destroy an institution, whether it be the family, an organization, the military, or even a nation, one of the best ways is to undermine confidence in the leadership. Make him look like an incompetent dolt. Convince those under his authority that they could do a much better job, and encourage them to usurp that authority. This is the very definition of revolution. Have any of you fathers seen this process in your homes?

As destructive as it is, revolution might be relegated to pot-addled ramblings in Berkeley dorm rooms if it weren't receiving support from some very powerful institutions in our society. In the case of commercials it is obviously the advertising industry. While some may wonder why that bastion of capitalism is seemingly slitting its own throat, one has to look no further than the likes of George Soros to find the explanation. A man of great wealth supporting the most leftist Senator in America for president.

A dichotomy? Not at all. Marxism is the ultimate vehicle for the greedy, because once you abolish private property, someone has to control the means of production. And guess who stands at the ready to humbly accept that call.

Woah, wait a minute! Who said anything about abolishing private property? I'll put up with a commercial or two calling me an idiot, but I'll be jiggered if you're gonna take my truck! Well, get comfortable, Joe Sixpack...there's more.

Marx's destructive wish-list doesn't stop with the family. It includes "abolition of private property" (p. 82), "countries and nationality" (p. 90), and even the most fundamental principles of a society, "eternal truths, all religion and all morality" (p. 92).

The mechanisms include "a heavy progressive income tax", creation of a "national bank", and "free education for all" (p. 94), none of which existed in the U.S. when the Manifesto was published in 1848. And none of which were included in the enumerated powers of the Federal government in the Constitution, making them illegal under the 10th Amendment.

But we have them now. How? You can research the specifics yourselves, but it was always the result of the actions of the left or their "useful idiots".

Returning to today, the erosion of the family, whether it be anti-male commercials, the push for the acceptance of homosexual marriage, or any one of the other thousand tactics used by the left, is at its root nothing less than another of the goals of Marxism to destroy fundamental institutions of a society to replace them with their own.

Regardless of the smaller battles, that has been the political war for decades. All that is left to resolve is which principles will win.


148 posted on 11/10/2004 11:49:02 AM PST by truecons
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To: bourbon
"This has been going on for years. I'm only surprised that it took people this long to start complaining about it."

- You're right, and even more strange is that most of the writers/developers for these ads are themselves white males. My guess is that they wanted to add a little humor to the ads and, having been made shy about using the females because of complaints from the feminazis, they settled on the white males. After all, the male has big broad shoulders and can handle the ribbing, right?
Unfortunately, after years of this and other societal factors, the self image of white males has been degraded. One outcome is that they are dropping out of high schools at an accelerating rate and the male/female ratio at universities has now dropped to about 40:60.
I think adult white males have now become aware of these dangers and the role that ads may be playing in contributing to this problem.
Thats why I think we'll see more and more men speaking up about the white male image being shown in too many ads these days.
149 posted on 11/10/2004 11:49:48 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: 2Jedismom
That one doesn't bother me a whit.
Obviously the husband was annoyed at the wife's attempt to feminize the boy. :)

Also, whoever wrote that blog entry doesn't know diddly about cars.
The Hemi engine was developed by Chrysler Corp. and is still associated with Chrysler and Dodge.

In the case of this commercial, the particular vehicle advertised is a Dodge Durango.

150 posted on 11/10/2004 11:52:01 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Esther Ruth

The church should encourage men to be servant-leaders, by exhortation and by example. Some do better than others.

Our culture seems to tell men, "Your job is the important part of your life; the rest of life is playtime!" It encourages the idea that men are just the biggest children. That can be positive for a while, when it's about playing ball or camping with the kids ... but when it's buying a big truck and a giant-screen TV, while you "can't afford" a Christian education for your family, then it's the enemy's work.


151 posted on 11/10/2004 11:52:21 AM PST by Tax-chick (First we had all the money, then we got all the votes, now we have all the fun!)
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To: sassbox

"what's so awful about educating women to be leaders??"****

What's so awful about men being leaders?

I'd think that a fundamentalist Christian school would be true to Scriptural teachings about male leadership.

I disagree a lot with James Dobson's approach, however, he said young adolescent males in this country need help. I think this is very true.


152 posted on 11/10/2004 11:52:58 AM PST by Gotterdammerung
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To: HitmanNY

Reward and punishment are extremely effective, but can't be easily used by the media to influence unsuspecting populations.


153 posted on 11/10/2004 11:54:54 AM PST by yarddog
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To: truecons

Your post #148 is dead on accurate as to what is happening. It is done by knowing, committed people intent on changing our society.


154 posted on 11/10/2004 11:57:51 AM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

I agree - I just advocate people taking the responsibility to personally use reward and punishment in their lives. That goes a long way to marginalizing any impact via the media.

I agree with you - influence via the media is present and pervasive, but all I'm saying is there is no reason that should be the final word on any matter. In fact, there is no reason that it should even be an important word on the matter.

It's important that we each take personal responsibility on the matter. Keeping people honest at a personal level may cause them some pain in the short runm but it is a rewarding enterprise, from my point of view, at least.


155 posted on 11/10/2004 12:00:04 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: MisterRepublican
... after learning about a TV ad that shows a father trying, but failing, to help his young daughter with her homework.

The father failed to help his daughter with her homework, cause he had Verison DSL service.

I used to have all kind of service starting with 56K through ISDN, Satellite, DSL and Roadrunner.

Verizon DSL was the WORST, constant disruptions and unreliability of service, after several complains they finally send a service guy down, he told me with straight eye" You now, I don't really now much about DSL, your line seems fine to me. That was it.

With current growing broadband option DON'T EVER EVEN THINK ABOUT VERIZON DSL, anything else is better.

156 posted on 11/10/2004 12:03:52 PM PST by Anticommie
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To: fooman

my mistake, point taken, but, it's a bad habit.
I tend to use the HYPHEND letters to express a point, can I use ( ) or { } to express a point better ?


157 posted on 11/10/2004 12:04:07 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Gotterdammerung

there's nothing awful about men being leaders either. Just because they showed a girl on the poster doesn't mean that they aren't educating the boys to be leaders too. But I guess the mere suggestion that a girl should aspire to be a leader too is too much for some people on this board. I wonder what they think of Elizabeth Dole, Condi Rice, Priscilla Owen, Ann Northrup, Lisa Murkowski, and other fine women who don't exactly fit the fundamentalists' interpretation of scriptural roles for women.


158 posted on 11/10/2004 12:07:12 PM PST by sassbox
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To: sassbox

Margaret Thatcher too! HOw could I forget the greatest of them all?


159 posted on 11/10/2004 12:08:17 PM PST by sassbox
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To: MisterRepublican

Has anyone heard the STUPID Hardees radio commercials?? The voice over is explaining how to open a cereal box for goodness sake and the instructee can't even do that right as the bag bursts and send the cereal all over the floor. Their tag line is "Without Hardees, some guys would go hungry", or some such nonsense....it REALLY pisses me off, and I'm their target market!!!


160 posted on 11/10/2004 12:08:53 PM PST by BallparkBoys
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