Posted on 11/10/2004 9:41:03 AM PST by MisterRepublican
Italics are seen as less harsh. You can use caps SOME, but a little goes a long way ;)
Like those Carl's Jr. "without us some guys would starve" ads. Irritating -- why don't they have "without us some women would starve" ads?
If you want to see how to poke fun at guys the right way, look at the Jack in the Box ads where the guy gets a set of tire chains in his meal. First time I saw that one ILMAO.
What I did was disable router/modem firewall, then I told the modem to open ALL PORTS and forward ALL transmission's to bob:80. Then I used a port scaner I'd downloaded to to scan LAN ports, 80 was open on Bob and on the router. Next I used an online port scaner (scan.sygate.com) to scan my domain (radiocity.dynip.com) for open ports. Every port was BLOCKED, filtered by Verizon DSL since the modem had firewall down and port forwarding enabled for all ports.
I think the deal is verizon does not want home users running any kind of servers, no personal web sites, mail servers, news servers etc. The best way to enforce this is to just BLOCK all ports, that way no one can run any kind of server from a home account. It is a one size fits all approach, that I do not like but can't do much about. I am a programmer and I work at home alot. I need my coworkers to be able to get to my little web server so they can see what I'm up to. My dailup account doesn't block any ports so Bob used it for internet but uses the DSL router for LAN connectivity. The rest of my computers all use DSL for internet
Once I realized port 80 was BLOCKED I tried other ports but they are all BLOCKED too, all 65,000 of them EVERY DAMN ONE not used by verizon DSL is BLOCKED. Sucks.
now if I missed something please let me know cause the dailup used to connect at 115k(not bad) but lately I am seeing alot of 24k connects (sucks). My web site has a nice little FR like forum that can be used by Freepers, a nice little password manager that is a handy place to put all the BS passwords that one collects on the web. And other interesting stuff. I get asked alot to investigate new technology, so what I do is build some application using that technology and make the application available via my web site. Check it out some time, since the connection is so slow it is mainly text based, not pretty but usefull.
Oh yeah, that's right! LOL I get so hacked off at the total commercial (the mom talking to her kid like he's a moron, the husband talking to his wife like she's a moron, the wife acting like a victim, the husband ganging up with the kid behind the mother's back) that I forgot what it was for!
I think the whole thing with these awful commercials is just a lack of courtesy. A little courtesy even among family members goes a long way. Selflessness too. If someone is sitting in the recliner when Dad gets home around here, they get up...because Dad works all day, goes to school all evening and the recliner is his favorite chair. The person in the recliner gets up, and is happy to do it, because it's good to have Dad home.
"Reward and punishment are extremely effective, but can't be easily used by the media to influence unsuspecting populations."
You're kidding, right?
Ever heard of Pavlov? His whole career was made by proving that you can transfer natural responses to un-natural ones through sensory stimulation. The dog naturally salivates at food, but not at a bell. But by constantly ringing the bell while you present food, you can eventually transfer the response and get the dog to commit an un-natural act: salivating at a bell.
Application to advertising? Take a natural response like getting a guy's attention by showing him a babe in a bikini. So far so good. Now transfer that response by showing a guy getting the babe because he drank a beer or smoked a cigarette. Voila! Transfer of response. Now the guy associates doing something unpleasant like inhaling smoke, to which we are naturally averse, or drinking something that looks and tastes like whiz, to which we are MORE averse, with the powerful natural drive to mate with the most attractive female. Product sold!
Gotcha! And you didn't even know you were being conditioned, did ya?
Since we're on FR, we can also apply that to politics. Study the sensory stimulation of political commercials to see how the voters are appealed to: "social security", "I'll hunt down the terrorists and kill them", overdose of warm-fuzzy music and images...
Anybody who thinks they're unaffected by it is naive in the extreme. The only defense if you insist on watching is to be aware of the process and consciously reject it, which is difficult.
The ultimate defense is the off switch.
" A little goes a long way " like the old TV ads for mens hairgel.
someone has a link to the htl sandbox to teach this stuff
Thanks for the support. If I had read that before I wrote #167 I would have been more diplomatic. :-)
Just Damn!
(cheering loudly)
Great post and a great assesment.
Add Cox Cable to Verizon – the wife has a channel blocked that the dad wants to watch. Daughter thinks it’s great.
Can I ask you something? I understand that argument that women make the purchasing decisions, so the ads are aimed at women.
But why does that mean the ads need to be disparaging towards men? I don't see the connection. Modern women can only be appealed to by making men inferior? What does that say?
"Can I ask you something? I understand that argument that women make the purchasing decisions, so the ads are aimed at women.
But why does that mean the ads need to be disparaging towards men? I don't see the connection. Modern women can only be appealed to by making men inferior? "
I have no idea. But, apparently the advertisers seem to think they can appeal to their target audience that way. They've been doing it for years, so it must work.
The American female is the new bully in the playground. There are social messageboards for women where you will see some of the nastiest man hating rhetoric and guy bashing you can imagine.
By wives, girlfriends, mothers etc. Yet, at the same time, there are threads about how mean their man is to them. And it is minor compared to what they said the day before about him.
They just don't get it.
It seems a reflection on the culture, if those ads really sell.
I'm young, and I don't know a lot about advertisements in the past. But I have a strong feeling that they weren't the same way. Were they? And if they weren't, did they not sell?
It just seems to me that if this stuff is working with people, then people have seriously changed. The notion that men can't survive or do anything on their own is preposterous to me, because of how I was raised. I get the feeling it would have been preposterous 50 years ago.
But apparently it is not preposterous in this society today. And that is a serious problem to me. I am addressing this to you because it seemed like you were being rather dismissive of it, just calling it basically a "marketing technique". Sorry if I am misreading you. But I think it is the reflection of something very harmful that needs to be corrected.
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