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Mosque set on fire in Netherlands
BBC ^ | Saturday, 13 November | Geraldine Coughlan

Posted on 11/13/2004 1:47:34 AM PST by Haro_546

Mosque set on fire in Netherlands By Geraldine Coughlan BBC News, The Hague

There have been more than 20 attacks on Muslim buildings There has been another fire in a mosque in the Netherlands, in what appeared to be the latest in a spate of attacks. Police said the mosque, in the south-eastern village of Helden near the German border, was set on fire early on Saturday.

They said it was not immediately clear if arsonists were behind the attack.

There have been more than 20 incidents of fires or vandalism at Muslim buildings since the murder of the controversial filmmaker Theo van Gogh.

His suspected killer, an alleged Muslim radical of Dutch-Moroccan nationality, was arrested.

Tensions are running high in the Netherlands since the killing.

There have also been a string of retaliatory attacks on Christian churches.

Parliament has been debating how to deal with the growing problem.

There have been calls from some right-wing politicians to deport radical Muslim clerics and close down mosques where they operate.

MPs have asked the government to draft new legislation forcing Dutch mosques to employ only Imams who have studied Islamic religion in the Netherlands, a proposal that is widely supported.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: jihadinholland; koranimals; netherlands; religionofpeace; religionofpieces
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Things are getting nasty in the netherlands.Well, I guess the dutch need a good shake-up to wake up to the enemy within.
1 posted on 11/13/2004 1:47:34 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: Haro_546

"They said it was not immediately clear if arsonists were behind the attack."

How can this writer suggest arsonists were NOT to blame and yet still call it an attack?

Journalists.... {/disgust}


2 posted on 11/13/2004 1:50:14 AM PST by konaice
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To: Haro_546

Doesn't the word "Helden" mean "Heroes"?


3 posted on 11/13/2004 1:50:58 AM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: Haro_546

I know LOTS of Dutch men and women. They are wonderful, dependable people. But you DON'T want to see them (us as I'm part Dutch) angry.


4 posted on 11/13/2004 1:51:24 AM PST by Lexinom (ANYBODY BUT ARLEN)
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To: konaice

"How can this writer suggest arsonists were NOT to blame and yet still call it an attack?"

LOL, good catch!

Lend me an editor!


5 posted on 11/13/2004 1:52:57 AM PST by jocon307 (Maintain the mandate!)
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To: struwwelpeter

Dont know.


6 posted on 11/13/2004 1:53:03 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: Lexinom

i think all of their peaceful religious sites should have the same end.


7 posted on 11/13/2004 1:53:35 AM PST by Gibtx (Pajamahadien call to arms.....)
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To: Gibtx

The islamofasciasts? I agree. "The religion of peace" [scoff, choke].


8 posted on 11/13/2004 1:55:18 AM PST by Lexinom (ANYBODY BUT ARLEN)
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To: Haro_546

"MPs have asked the government to draft new legislation forcing Dutch mosques to employ only Imams who have studied Islamic religion in the Netherlands, a proposal that is widely supported."

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Of course this begs the question of what constitutes an "Imam".

Last I heard the only requirement for being an Imam was having two other people agree that you are one. No study is needed, no credentials are issued, and the "Religion of Peace" has no structural heirarchy, no line of authority, no centerally accepted interpretations of the Koran.

It is what ever the Imam wants it to be.


9 posted on 11/13/2004 1:55:30 AM PST by konaice
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To: Haro_546

This is a pretty 'just the facts, maam' sort of article for the BBC. Looks like they are firing the right people.


10 posted on 11/13/2004 1:56:09 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: Haro_546
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

Apparently Islamofacists haven't taken this truism to heart. Let the retribution begin.

11 posted on 11/13/2004 1:57:09 AM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: IonImplantGuru

How come the BBC did not report when the christian churces were attacked. Anyone? Maybe they are cuddiling to the religion of peace.


12 posted on 11/13/2004 1:59:31 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: Lexinom

Some of the Dutch may remember what it felt like under the Nazis. Or at least they taught their children well.


13 posted on 11/13/2004 2:00:11 AM PST by ProudVet77 (02NOV04 - America to Kerry "Your fired!")
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To: Haro_546

20 down.... another 100,000 or so to go.

I wish somebody, ANYBODY had the cojones to nuke Mecca and Medina.


14 posted on 11/13/2004 2:00:20 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Lexinom

hence the expressions "to be in dutch with" and "dutch uncle". these mooses are in dutch with the dutch -- but bad.


15 posted on 11/13/2004 2:00:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: clee1
I wish somebody, ANYBODY had the cojones to nuke Mecca and Medina.

Can China's missiles go that far yet?

16 posted on 11/13/2004 2:01:13 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Haro_546

Let's see how tolerant Europeans can be.


17 posted on 11/13/2004 2:02:02 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: struwwelpeter
Doesn't the word "Helden" mean "Heroes"?

I believe so.

18 posted on 11/13/2004 2:02:41 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: spodefly

No mention of attacks on Christian churches and buildings, though.


19 posted on 11/13/2004 2:03:14 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Haro_546

Who thought they still had it in them? Well, those people they're dealing with respect one thing and one thing only, and it ain't turning the other cheek.


20 posted on 11/13/2004 2:03:50 AM PST by sinanju
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To: ProudVet77

They remember, and pass down. They remember World War I and World War II. I've never eaten with a Dutch family which did not each and every one clean their plates completely. That comes from remembrance of those horrific days. One older gentleman even relayed the account when he and his friend had to catch a dog for dinner. He even told how he joked about it that night while in bed by wimpering to his siblings. We don't have that type of parallel in America...


21 posted on 11/13/2004 2:04:10 AM PST by Lexinom (ANYBODY BUT ARLEN)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think so, but China loves the mooselimbs, as long as they stay out of their country.


22 posted on 11/13/2004 2:05:13 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: clee1

Which they won't, however, if their jihad is a truly held philosophy. I have read how China gives Muslims a very hard time, they are not much happier about that practice than they are about Christianity. Start a tit for tat war, and....


23 posted on 11/13/2004 2:08:03 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

GOOD idea!

I wonder if there is some way we can "encourage" the sheetheads to start trouble in China?


24 posted on 11/13/2004 2:09:33 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Haro_546

Wow ...good thing America is not in the hands of the Dutch
They lose one of their 'Hollywood' types and they get pretty mad

We lose thousands of innocents in the WTC and Pentagon and stay calm and go
to war with tangos in their homelands (except for their main source of religious zeal that of course is off limits)

Meanwhile of course allowing them to build even more mosques and Islamic centers here and buy up more rural US land for their summer camps

And of course also allow their lobby groups and petrol dollars into our govt and political process..

Meanwhile our leaders still insist ..even on the campaign trail that Islam is a religion of peace.

Go figure

IMO


26 posted on 11/13/2004 2:14:30 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: Haro_546

Burn em,Burn em All.


27 posted on 11/13/2004 2:14:52 AM PST by daddyOwe (If God wanted me to be a liberal he would of given me less brains)
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To: clee1

Of course all this is "just kidding" (alas). Uncle Sam would take a very dim view of Americans (other than CIA) trying to stir up international trouble.


28 posted on 11/13/2004 2:15:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Most Chinese belong to the Han Chinese ethnicity, but Muslims are , by far, of the Uighur ethnic group and live in the far western province of Xinjiang. The communist government for year has been colonizing this lands with Han Chinese to mitigate radicalism in the area, sometimes sparking violence with the Uighurs.
29 posted on 11/13/2004 2:21:48 AM PST by Haro_546
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To: Haro_546

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Islam, The Cult of Horror™; how sweet it is when they reap what they sow.


30 posted on 11/13/2004 2:24:29 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: dasboot
No mention of attacks on Christian churches and buildings, though.


I used to think this kind of omission was just liberal bias against the right generated for political reasons. Now I wonder if the left medias tendencies to leave out certain facts that would incriminate the terrorists is just their attempt to keep the islamic extremists from turning their focus on them and blowing up their news station. It reminds me of Mafia rule. Wieners!!! Get a Dutch to tell you how to deal with these animals.
31 posted on 11/13/2004 2:35:30 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Earthdweller

Good point. No one wants to step up to belling the cat...lest he has his neck sawn next. Terror is effective.


32 posted on 11/13/2004 2:40:44 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Haro_546

Bump!


33 posted on 11/13/2004 3:08:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; struwwelpeter
Doesn't the word "Helden" mean "Heroes"?

Yep
34 posted on 11/13/2004 3:23:07 AM PST by teezle
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To: Haro_546
How come the BBC did not report when the christian churces were attacked. Anyone?

I think (not entirely sure though) that was because that this happened in a nights were even more mosques/schools were attacked.
35 posted on 11/13/2004 3:29:53 AM PST by teezle
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To: joesnuffy
We lose thousands of innocents in the WTC and Pentagon and stay calm and go to war with tangos in their homelands

Without excusing attacks on mosques, etc, I think it has something to do with the following:
-since 9-11 the suspicion against Muslims has grown.
-extreme right has been oppressed since WW2 (no political outlet)
-the murderer was born and raised in Holland

All your terrorists were from countries like S-Arabia. Less "reason" to burn a mosque in Midland, Texas. Do they have a mosque over there? :-)
36 posted on 11/13/2004 3:37:03 AM PST by teezle
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To: Gibtx

Copy that.


37 posted on 11/13/2004 3:42:30 AM PST by starvingstudent (ask your favorite leftist: "If there is another civil war, who do you think will win?")
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To: dasboot

Yes ..but people are starting to stand up. It is becoming diffucult after looking at the world news everday to find a country that is not have a conflict with some Muslim group. Even France had a bout. What ever happened to those French reporters? Was that "swept under the rug"(coined a new phrase for French foriegn policy)?


38 posted on 11/13/2004 3:57:45 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Lexinom

Thats because the Dutch can trace a lot of their roots back to the Vikings. Yes, they can be easy going most of the time. Yes, they can take a lot and sit there smiling but crowd them a little too close or push them too far back in the corner and look out. That Viking blood boils to the top and the fights on.

My family tree came over at the turn of the last century from Norway and my blood has been at a low simmer for over three years.


39 posted on 11/13/2004 3:58:15 AM PST by PeteB570
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To: clee1
I think so, but China loves the mooselimbs, as long as they stay out of their country.

Well, everybody loves the mooselimbs as long as they'll stay out of country and pump oil. It's only when you get to know them that the loathing begins!

40 posted on 11/13/2004 4:02:33 AM PST by night reader
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not sure if it was arson??? if it was "set on fire" arson is a pretty good guess


41 posted on 11/13/2004 4:05:50 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: dennisw; watchin; VOA; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2; ThomasMore; Publius6961; ...
Police said the mosque, in the south-eastern village of Helden near the German border, was set on fire early on Saturday

This is the villige I live in. There were two mosques, one Moroccan and one Turkish, located in an old schoolbuilding. Earlier this year there also was a firebomb attack which did not set the building on fire.

Islam-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

42 posted on 11/13/2004 4:10:31 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: struwwelpeter

Yes it does.


43 posted on 11/13/2004 4:11:02 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

Are you dutch, post about your perspective on the issue.


44 posted on 11/13/2004 4:11:57 AM PST by Haro_546
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Parliament has been debating how to deal with the growing problem.

Translation:

"We in the government have conformed to the politically correct cattle drive for so long we have forgotten how to lead or have an opinion."
45 posted on 11/13/2004 4:18:11 AM PST by thingumbob (Now showing........W 2 ..........for 4 more years)
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To: Lexinom

Controlled rage is good in this case.........


46 posted on 11/13/2004 4:19:50 AM PST by thingumbob (Now showing........W 2 ..........for 4 more years)
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To: Lexinom
But you DON'T want to see them (us as I'm part Dutch) angry.

In the long journey from the northern British Isles to Cape Hatteras, my family acquired a good bit of Dutch blood... and you are surely right about that- "still waters run deep."

47 posted on 11/13/2004 4:21:27 AM PST by backhoe ("We met at Dawn- and destiny Prevailed...")
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To: Haro_546

Finally, some good news.


48 posted on 11/13/2004 4:22:24 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Haro_546

Yes I am Dutch. People here have been terrorized by muslims for the past decade:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/573603/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/582864/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/687216/posts

(more links in the 3rd one).

In their schools they tell their children to hate us and fight us. So people here are fed up and since the politicians/police don't care to act they feel that they need to act themselves.


49 posted on 11/13/2004 4:23:38 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

I know what you are talking about. I live near a mosque, and a friend invited me to a gathering, they spent all their time talking about jihad in your land.


50 posted on 11/13/2004 4:26:51 AM PST by Haro_546
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