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AP: Specter Rewriting Pledge, Senate Leaders Find First Draft Unacceptable
GrassrootsPA ^ | 11/18/04 | GrassrootsPA

Posted on 11/18/2004 10:38:30 AM PST by GeneralHavoc

The good news is that GOP Leadership is not letting him off the hook easy. Notice that Senate leaders rejected his first draft.

Associated Press:

Specter, who supports abortion rights, also is pledging a strong predisposition to support the president's nominees for the bench, according to these sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The Pennsylvania senator's draft statement affirms that he will not impose a litmus test on nominees based on the issue of abortion, but does not include a blanket pledge to vote for them.

Specter's written statement, apparently undergoing changes, largely covers positions he has staked out in public statements in recent days. Even so, several GOP sources said one early version was deemed unacceptable by Senate leaders in a meeting on Wednesday, particularly on the contentious issue of changing Senate procedures to eliminate the possibility of a filibuster by opponents of a nomination.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: scottishlaw; specter; sphincter
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"So all of Kerry's votes were Hard Core Leftists????"

Well they sure aren't conservatives. The bottom line is that we have the majority, and the majority rules in our system.


61 posted on 11/18/2004 11:45:41 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix
The bottom line is that we have the majority

I don't think so!!!!

62 posted on 11/18/2004 11:47:26 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Hendrix

Double amen, and might I even say... dittos. When will our side realize that playing fair with the 'Rats only puts us at a terminal disadvantage? We'll never have it better than this. Question: what advantage does the chairman have in a committee? Can he stop a nomination, even if the majority of the members want it to go through?


63 posted on 11/18/2004 11:47:31 AM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: Digger
I'm really pleased with our Republicans! Unspoken, but it seems apparent, they required Specter to provide them with a written pledge. Dontcha love it?
64 posted on 11/18/2004 11:48:48 AM PST by YaYa123 (@Specter Can't Be Trusted, We Knew It, And Thank Goodness Frist Knows It too.com)
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To: Coop

Yes, you're right. But we know how that would be played by a media starving for ways to paint Bush and his supporters as right wing extremists.


65 posted on 11/18/2004 11:49:29 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The bottom line is that we have the majority
I don't think so!!!!


We got the majority in the election, and the majority rules. What don't you understand about that?


66 posted on 11/18/2004 11:49:45 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: Dolphy

"Yes, you're right. But we know how that would be played by a media starving for ways to paint Bush and his supporters as right wing extremists"

Screw the media. They are going to do that no matter what we do, so don't worry about it and just get it done.


67 posted on 11/18/2004 11:51:39 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: Delphinium
I don't think he'll be rejected as chair of that committee. Hatch put his stamp of approval on Specter yesterday and that pretty well means that hatch + all the democrats + Specter will vote for Specter. If the division is 11-8, then that gives specter 10 votes and a win.

My senator DeWine is a Rino and he's on the committee. I'm not sure about the other members, but I think the others might be pretty solid.

68 posted on 11/18/2004 11:51:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sounds like they have a good plan going....he could do real damage if he gets pissed off and does a Jeffers....

He can't do a Jeffords because he can't singlehandedly deliver the Senate to the Democrats.

69 posted on 11/18/2004 11:52:07 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: Diogenesis; Thorin; All

Can someone clue me (and others) in to this "Scottish Law"? I've been trying to find information and the context of this concerning Spector but am coming up with nothing.


70 posted on 11/18/2004 11:56:34 AM PST by Ladysmith (November 2, 2004: Taking America BACK!!!)
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To: Hendrix
The people I've talked to who claim to be "moderate" all voted for Kerry in the last election. We're wasting our time trying to please them, because they're already pissed at Bush and Republicans, as evidenced by their vote.

My guess is that of the relatively few moderate voters out there, very, very few of them voted for Bush and Republicans. So why should we wring our hands about "backlash" from them? They've already lashed back, as the 'Rats have. The real backlash to worry about, as Bush 41 found out, is the one that might come from those who put you in office in the first place. You don't want to honk them off. Worry about keeping your friends first before trying to make new friends among the enemy.

71 posted on 11/18/2004 12:05:13 PM PST by chimera
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To: xzins
I know he is gona get it but I am not going to give up.

My senator Larry Craig is not a RINO, and was leaning against Specter, (I am positive) but when I called the office a couple days ago was told in somewhat of a rude way: "For your information, Karl Rove is supporting Specter"

I am going to call back again right now and see what they say.

What I want to know is could those liberal pro-abort republicans be a big enough threat to make a difference?

Having the right to kill babies is as sacred to them as it is to the pro-abort democrats.
72 posted on 11/18/2004 12:07:20 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Ladysmith
That's what he quoted in explaining his vote to acquit Clinton in the impeachment trial. There is a provision in Scottish Law for "Not Proven", that is, not necessarily innocent, but not enough evidence to convict.

(It's all hooey in the Clinton case. The guy was guilty as sin but Specter was looking for political cover.)

73 posted on 11/18/2004 12:07:31 PM PST by chimera
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To: Hendrix
I am willing to take that chance.

How brave of you, but you don't get that decision.

The democrats are always going to not play fair, so no matter what we do to show that we are playing fair.

It's not Democrats I worry about it is moderate voters who are voting Republican and giving us majorities I worry about. Watching the right wing beating of a moderate Senator is putting smiles on the DUmmys who voted for Kerry. They point their fingers and whisper, "If the right wing will do this to a Republican just think what they will do to rats and independents."

QUIT WORRING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN!

Where have I heard that phrase before? Oh yeah. When my friends were trying to convince me to do something stupid that I instinctively knew was a bad idea.

74 posted on 11/18/2004 12:09:45 PM PST by Once-Ler (God Blessed America Again!)
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To: Hendrix
QUIT WORRING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN!

Any backlash would require full media participation. Liberal dominance of the media haws been severely compromised as is evidenced by the recent election. The backlash threat has been largely defanged. Time to forge ahead!

75 posted on 11/18/2004 12:14:38 PM PST by getitright (GWB is winning wars, not popularity contests.)
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To: Once-Ler
The danger in changing the Senate rules on filibuster is it may set a precedent on all filibusters and should the Republican Party fall out of favor with the voters this tool would not be available to stop a one seat rat majority from complete control. Then we might as well do away with the US House which currently operates under those rules.

The "nuclear option" is not about doing away with the filubuster entirely. It merely puts judicial nominations off limits to filibusters. So this would not be turning the Senate into the House

As to the what if we fall out of power scenario. You know what will happen. We'll confirm their judges 98-0 like we did for Ruth Bader Gisnburg. For a pascifist to give up his weaponry is no sacrifice at all.

76 posted on 11/18/2004 12:16:54 PM PST by NeoCaveman ("I expressed myself rather forcefully, felt better after I had done it," -- VP Cheney)
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To: Hendrix
Screw the media. They are going to do that no matter what we do, so don't worry about it and just get it done.

Get it done is right, there is no point to making that more of an uphill battle though. I want to win the war and that requires picking the right battles.

77 posted on 11/18/2004 12:19:46 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sounds like they have a good plan going....he could do real damage if he gets pissed off and does a Jeffers....

I say so what if he does pull a Jeffords. He goes from possible Judiciary Chair to the bottom of the totem pole on the Democratic side. Jeffords pissed away all of his senority by flipping and got squat in return.

Specter can be a bigger PITA, demand that he get is way, and be a McCain protege by just by staying a RINO than joining the other team.

78 posted on 11/18/2004 12:21:50 PM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Delphinium
Of the 55 Republicans how many are really Rinos?

There are 4 hard core RINO's: Specter, Collins, Snowe, and Chaffee. That brings the 55 down to 51
Then you have Warner (VA), Stevens (AK), and Huchison (TX), who have voted in support of Roe in the past. In that sense of the Senate resolution that was attached to the PBA ban. They'd bring the 51 down to 48.
Then you have the "wild cards" McCain and Hagel. Bringing the count of real Republicans down to 46. And Lisa Murkowski is pro-choice so bring it down to 45.

So depending on how strict you grade, the answer is between 4 and 10 out of 55.

79 posted on 11/18/2004 12:26:03 PM PST by NeoCaveman ("I expressed myself rather forcefully, felt better after I had done it," -- VP Cheney)
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To: GeneralHavoc

I am afraid they are putting on a show like they are "taking care of him" until the furor dies down. We have to keep up the pressure. It may take weeks.


80 posted on 11/18/2004 12:26:24 PM PST by smokeyb
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