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Americans Are Afraid And Ignorant (Please respond to this idiot)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20041120/FOX20/TPEntertainment/TopStories ^

Posted on 11/21/2004 9:13:15 AM PST by UpHereEh

Bring on the Bias, Bring on the Bluster

Before the CRTC's decision to allow the Fox News Channel into Canada, there was some speculation about whether conditions might be attached.

I wonder what conditions might possibly apply -- that it be less hilarious? After all the fuss and anticipation, I think most Canadians who are curious about the Fox phenomenon will be a tad disappointed with the alleged news coverage. What they'll see is a lot of blustering and badgering, a good deal of boasting, and not a lot of news. But they will be entertained.

This is, after all, the channel whose star pundit, Bill O'Reilly, referred to this newspaper as the "far-left Toronto Globe and Mail." The same gent (and I use the term advisedly) roused himself to comment on the coverage of Fox News in this paper by declaring, "Hey you pinheads up there, I may be pompous, but at least I'm honest."

Later, when the "pinheads" comment was taken to refer to Canadians, O'Reilly declared he was referring to staff at The Globe, not Canadians. As for me, he called me "a Canadian intellectual." It was meant to be an insult. I was very flattered and amused.

It was all very amusing. But the core of the Fox News attitude and its bullying, often barking-mad pseudo-news style was revealed to everybody earlier this year when Fox News began its mad dance with Canada and Canadians. Bizarrely, it started when remarks in my column came to the attention of O'Reilly and the matter snowballed.

Me, I simply welcomed the possibility of Fox News arriving in Canada, because its biases and bluster are so darn funny. O'Reilly took umbrage and started name-calling. On air, he said of The Globe, "That paper has consistently taken liberal positions on almost every issue."

"And," added O'Reilly, "Doyle strikes up the band."

Over the next few days I was inundated with e-mails from the United States. Most were abusive and some were outrageously so. I was called "a douche nozzle," "a douche bag" and many variations on the theme. I wrote about the mail, pointing out that it was both nasty and unimaginative. This story received some attention in the United States. I began hearing from Americans by the thousands. Most apologized for their fellow citizens, declared their admiration for Canada, and bemoaned the idiocy of Fox News and its supporters.

Next, The New York Times stepped in. Intrigued by the story, the Times wanted to know more. I gave the Times access to the mail I'd received. In a Sunday feature, the Times then chronicled the back-and-forth between O'Reilly and me, and printed examples of the sort of American mail that came my way. The Times provides stories to newspapers around the world, and this story duly went international. Soon, I was hearing from people in Australia, Britain, France and many other countries.

On Fox, O'Reilly mentioned the Times story. Somewhat chastened by the ignorant, poisonous vitriol of his supporters, he tut-tutted about that sort of behaviour. That was it, really. But the upshot was clear: O'Reilly was revealed as a buffoon, and fans of Fox News were shown to be belligerent crackpots.

Can anybody here possibly take Fox News seriously? Hardly. The channel describes itself as "fair and balanced" when it clearly is not. Its other slogan is "We report -- You decide." That, too, is a joke. There isn't much on Fox News that most reasonable people would describe as "reporting." There is an awful lot of talk. There is shouting, bullying and blather. It is all so ostentatiously over-the-top and biased that it's wonderfully funny.

While it's funny, it is also important that we see it. Fox News Channel has easily overtaken CNN as the most-watched news channel in the United States. It didn't achieve that position by being a sober, diligently objective newsgathering operation. It achieved it by adding an operatic quality to the news -- apparently the future of civilization hangs in the balance, and if the Fox News pundits don't get their way, democracy and decency will disappear.

A lot of Americans are afraid of the rest of the world, afraid of change, and ignorant about what happens in other countries. What they want to hear is a news service that agrees with their suspicions and tells them that, basically, people in other countries are stupid and envious of the United States. Fox News does precisely that.

Fox News undoubtedly helped re-elect George W. Bush. In one instance, O'Reilly interviewed Bush and reminded viewers that the President was brave because he had agreed to be interviewed.

In another instance, a report by a Fox News correspondent was posted on the network's website, just after the first presidential debate. The story claimed that John Kerry had boasted about his manicure and described himself as "a metrosexual." The story was bogus; not a word of it was true. Yet, for a time, Fox News presented it as a legitimate report.

Now in Canada, we're not so small-minded, petty and unsophisticated that we'd even consider making an issue about some guy's manicure. Also, we don't hate France. Loathing of France seems to be the bedrock of Fox News.

I've got a funny feeling that it would be a head-slapper of a revelation to the Fox News Channel that Canada is officially a bilingual country and, for many Canadians, French is their first language.

In fact, I've got lots of funny feelings about Fox. It's going to be hilarious to have daily access to its preposterous view of the world.

By JOHN DOYLE

Saturday, November 20, 2004 - Page R1


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KEYWORDS: canuckistan; douchebag; douchenozzle; elitistsnob; socialistweenie
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This is the leftest media we have to put up with in Canada. Please email this ignorant prick John Doyle, and The Globe And Mail with your comments.
1 posted on 11/21/2004 9:13:15 AM PST by UpHereEh
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To: UpHereEh

Kind of obvious that this ignorant bigot has never actually watched Fox News.


2 posted on 11/21/2004 9:16:21 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Next up, US Senate. 60 in 06!)
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To: UpHereEh

It's ironic, isn't it? Canadian media is a leftist hell hole and in my opinion, THEY are the one's who are afraid and ignorant. Anything that challenges their world view is a threat to them. Canadian media is easily the most hypocritical you will ever come across. I'm so happy Fox News is coming to Canada I can hardly contain myself.


3 posted on 11/21/2004 9:16:58 AM PST by Trippin
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To: UpHereEh

I'm reminded of the statement made by Bernie Goldberg that the liberal elites are just like fish that just don't know that they are wet.


4 posted on 11/21/2004 9:17:54 AM PST by Oldsailor
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Timesink; VPMWife78; cgk; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; bamabaseballmom; ...
A lot of Americans are afraid of the rest of the world, afraid of change, and ignorant about what happens in other countries. What they want to hear is a news service that agrees with their suspicions and tells them that, basically, people in other countries are stupid and envious of the United States. Fox News does precisely that.

FoxFan ping! (barf alert on this one)

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

5 posted on 11/21/2004 9:20:35 AM PST by nutmeg (Thank you Red States!!!)
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To: UpHereEh
"Now in Canada, we're not so small-minded, petty and unsophisticated that we'd even consider making an issue about some guy's manicure. Also, we don't hate France. Loathing of France seems to be the bedrock of Fox News"

The rest of the world governments do a pretty good job of helping their people"hate" the United States. Of course, the the millions that come here legally and illegally, and the millions who fight to get here aren't quoted in his story. He doesn't know anything about the "world". He's all one sided. Case closed.
6 posted on 11/21/2004 9:22:09 AM PST by Dallas59 ("A weak peace is worse than war" - Tacitcus)
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To: UpHereEh

Why respond? Let him die cold and stupid.


7 posted on 11/21/2004 9:22:51 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: UpHereEh; little jeremiah; EdReform; MeekOneGOP; Ernest_at_the_Beach

More vile pap from a Canute Fudge Packer for Kerry.

This maggot has been out the closet and pushing the gay agenda for a long time.

http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=JOHN%20DOYLE%20Gay

One of those links shows this: Gay Culture 20 years Later
... Queers count! Gay and lesbian relationships are as valid as heterosexual relationships ... Tom Edge, Lorna Murray, Tom Gale, John Doyle, Jeff Winkler, Anita Jensen Matt Keufler, Delwin ...
www.times10.org/maureen32000.htm -"In the 1970s when I joined the Gay Alliance Toward Equality (GATE), Barry Breau still worked quietly in a government office, Michael Phair had just come out and Liz Massiah had not yet moved here. That shows long ago it was! At the time I was not out, although that was to change very quickly. In the early 1980s, GALA came into being and I continued to work for change with Michael, Liz, George Davison, Katherine DeBree, Tom Edge, Lorna Murray, Tom Gale, John Doyle, Jeff Winkler, Anita Jensen Matt Keufler, Delwin Vriend, Nick Zwagstra and many others whose names escape me today. Later, Anna Hanscher, Murray Billet, Roz Osternforf and a number of other lesbians and gay men would join us. We were few in number but mighty in energy. Our office was Michael Phair's living room and every week Tom Gale would deliver his weekly supply of letters and petitions to the legislature. And boy did we work to ensure he had a good supply!. During the week we visited bars, dances, churches, organizations and where ever 2 or more persons were gathered together to talk to them about equality and ask for their signature on a letter and or a petition. Many people would sign only with their first name but it was important that they be heard."

The Jason Blairs of the media are out full force trying to trash GW, Republicans, Christians and anything conservative since GW pounded their boy, moi Kerri!


8 posted on 11/21/2004 9:23:56 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: nutmeg

". . .tells them that, basically, people in other countries are stupid and envious of the United States. Fox News does precisely that."

And the problem is. . . .what? Truth is nothing if not honest.


9 posted on 11/21/2004 9:24:15 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Allan

Ping


10 posted on 11/21/2004 9:25:40 AM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: UpHereEh

Responding to this guy will just feed his inflated ego. Whether he is intentionally making idiotic statements in order to stoke the fires, or whether he is simply clueless, he's not worth my time - other than to get a bit of comic relief by reading the article.


11 posted on 11/21/2004 9:26:18 AM PST by The Electrician
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To: UpHereEh
After all the fuss and anticipation, I think most Canadians who are curious about the Fox phenomenon will be a tad disappointed with the alleged news coverage.

Sounds a little like Ted Turner when told that Rupert was going to take it straight at CNN.

It's funny how these idiots react when threatened. Can't wait to see the ratings after about 6 months on the air.
12 posted on 11/21/2004 9:28:25 AM PST by schaketo (http://www.gp.org/ Convince progressives to join the Green Party Ė Divide and conquer)
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To: UpHereEh

Yeah, yeah, Fox viewers are stupid knuckledraggers and President Bush is a chimp. Can't the left come up with some new insults when discussing us?


13 posted on 11/21/2004 9:28:43 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: UpHereEh

Thxs John Doyle for your "indepth analysis" I just ordered my satellite dish and I am looking forward to seeing what most americans are raving about. Buy Bye CBC CTV NBC CBS ABC & CNN, Hello Fox and hopefully HBO and ESPN. Good fu$&ken riddance.
You know if you freepers don't post any of the Globe's garbage I wouldn't read it. I have given up on this rag years ago. National Post is more my cup of tea!


14 posted on 11/21/2004 9:30:46 AM PST by bubman
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To: Grampa Dave

Queer infested media!

BTTT


15 posted on 11/21/2004 9:33:30 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: bubman

I second your entire statement!


16 posted on 11/21/2004 9:34:46 AM PST by UpHereEh
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To: UpHereEh
Is this the same Canada that threatened to file charges on Michael Moore for making comments about their elections? Is this the same Canada where you have to get government permission to express your views, and can still be thrown in jail if the government disagrees with those views? Is this the same Canada that won't allow "Focus on the Family" episodes to air, because they don't support the homosexual agenda?

We don't fear a free press. Oh, and as to disliking France, the 21 billion scammed out of the mouths of Iraqi kids, a work force so lazy they didn't want to come back off of vacation during a heat wave that killed 10,000 people, and French troops opening fire on unarmed civilians on the Ivory Coast might have something to do with that. Of course, you probably didn't hear about that in Canada.

UpHereEh, hang in there. You're an outpost in the US shock the world tour.

17 posted on 11/21/2004 9:35:02 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Four more years)
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To: bubman

I didn't realize that you could order a dish satellite system in Canada. For some reason, I thought the left wingers in Canada had banned satellite reception in Canada.


18 posted on 11/21/2004 9:35:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave (FNC/ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps are the Rathering Fraudcasters of America!)
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To: Trippin

"I'm so happy Fox News is coming to Canada..."

VOA in living color. They'll probably jam it though.


19 posted on 11/21/2004 9:37:10 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (From Ku Klux Klan to the modern era of the Koo Kleft Klan...the true RAT legacy.)
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To: EdReform
QIM = QUEER INFESTED MEDIA

This has a good ring to it and would be a good lead line with I reply with a Yahoo search to these vile articles showing the Gay background of the Jason Blair wannabe.

20 posted on 11/21/2004 9:40:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The maggot who wrote this vile article is an example of the Queer infested media!)
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To: UpHereEh

You might want to share with the us that if you want REAL amusement, watch the Canadian legislature in session.

It is like watching a University Academic Senate or a kindergarten class. Self-important pompous buffoons directly insulting each other and almost coming to blows. No decorum, just jabber.

Funny stuff.


21 posted on 11/21/2004 9:40:30 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Democrat credo: If we win, we win: if we lose it is theft!)
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To: Grampa Dave; UpHereEh; Dog Gone
The Jason Blairs of the media are out full force trying to trash GW, Republicans, Christians and anything conservative since GW pounded their boy, moi Kerri!

GD...you are doing a hell of a job of exposing the gay loving leftist embedded in the MSM this morning,..... Thanks....

They clearly are part of the :

______________________________________________________________

Unholy Alliance

by David Horowitz
Hardcover - (September 2004) - $27.95

In this tour de force on the most important issue of our time, David Horowitz, confronts the paradox of how so many Americans, including the leadership of the Democratic Party, could turn against the War on Terror. He finds an answer in a political Left that shares a view of America as the “Great Satan” with America’s radical Islamic enemies.

22 posted on 11/21/2004 9:42:19 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: UpHereEh
I am a US citizen who was born and raised in a communist country. I have to tell you guys, it is so odd for me to see all these anti-american, liberal editorials and not have flashbacks of the editorial pieces from the communist newspapers. There is so much resemblance, it's sickening. I think I am one of the few who cannot be accused of stereotyping liberals by labeling them as "communist" because of living in a communist country and I cannot help myself but pity these fools (in the worlds of Mr. T) because they simply don't get it. What I find even funnier is accusing the US for not understanding the world when actually it is the world who goes on a loop by repeating the past. One good look at Europe, their antisemitism running amok there, ignoring the danger of Islam (again forgetting centuries of dealing with the Ottoman Empire) and you know that the writing is on the wall. The only thing we can do as Americans is NOT change, it will infuriate them further.
23 posted on 11/21/2004 9:44:03 AM PST by Quinotto
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To: Grampa Dave

I heard there are close to 1 million illegal satellite feeds in Canada. Oh yeah the people have spoken, either we get what we want legally (which is our god given right) or we get it illegally. Hey guess who won?


24 posted on 11/21/2004 9:44:20 AM PST by bubman
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To: Grampa Dave

Indeed! I like it!


25 posted on 11/21/2004 9:46:33 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: freedumb2003

I know, it's worth grabbing a twelve and some popcorn for. I'm just waiting for an all out brawl to break out over the NDP trans-fat issue.


26 posted on 11/21/2004 9:46:50 AM PST by UpHereEh
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To: UpHereEh
A lot of Americans are afraid of the rest of the world, afraid of change...

As usual facts do not matter to these people. America is the fastest changing society and economy, America introduces change abroad by being the trend setter.

America is so afraid of change and foreigners that we have people dying overseas trying to CHANGE Afghanistan and Iraq???? Could this writer recognize a FACT if it bit his head off? (OK, OK, Don't answer that last one).

27 posted on 11/21/2004 9:50:15 AM PST by beckaz
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To: bubman

Bravo for you good Canadians!


28 posted on 11/21/2004 9:51:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Is the one, who wrote this article is a member of GIM, GAY INFECTED MEDIA?)
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To: UpHereEh
Its easy to understand why Fox has overtaken CNN. CNN considers themselves to be an internationalist network that appeals to multilateralist socialist issues.
They wouldn't put the American flag pins on their clothing and could barely find it on their screen after 9/11. If they want more of a French, German and Canadian audience it wouldn't be surprising that they would lose their American audience as they try and sell us out to socialism.
29 posted on 11/21/2004 9:51:49 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: UpHereEh
Fox News has some good anchors, and some not so good anchors. Fox News has some good jocks, and some really ignorant jocks. Fox News isn't perfect, but it's a helluva lot better than cBS, aBS, nBS, msnBS, or cnnBS.


30 posted on 11/21/2004 9:51:53 AM PST by PokeyJoe (Viva Bush)
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To: EdReform

I have modified it a little:

GIM = GAY INFESTED MEDIA


31 posted on 11/21/2004 9:52:53 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Is the one, who wrote this article is a member of GIM, GAY INFECTED MEDIA?)
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To: april15Bendovr

The worst part about it is that CNN and CNN Headline News are available through basic cable services, but Fox when FINALLY approved is limited to satellite/digital distribution.


32 posted on 11/21/2004 9:54:38 AM PST by UpHereEh
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To: UpHereEh
John Doyle and the Globe & Mail are both part of the MSM. But both are Canadian, so they don't warrant much mention. But now that you raise the point, they are also media dinosaurs who are unaware of their own pending extinction.

More's the pity. It would be cosmically just if these professional liars actually SAW IT COMING. Alas, not to be.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest, "The Mechanical Voices of the MSM"

33 posted on 11/21/2004 9:55:54 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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Hey JOHN DOYLE we don't care about you opinhead

Sorry my stupid American typo... you opinhead = your opinion

34 posted on 11/21/2004 10:00:40 AM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: bubman

What % of homes in Canada have the semi legal satellite systems?


35 posted on 11/21/2004 10:01:24 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Writers of hate GW/Christians/ Republicans = GIM members, GAY INFECTED MEDIA!)
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To: UpHereEh

What a pleasant fellow!


36 posted on 11/21/2004 10:06:49 AM PST by eagle11 (Judge a religion not by the words of its adherents, but by their actions.)
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To: UpHereEh

Afraid and ignorant? This reminds me of the old Pee Wee Herman line, "I know you are, but what am I?" Yes there are many who are afraid and ignorant among us here in the US. How else can you explain all the votes that Kerry got? People who voted for Kerry did so because they were too cowardly to fight back against the terrorists and too ignorant to realize his whole political career was based on being opposed to the US military. I realize there are a few here that think we are the bad guys in the War and voted for Kerry with a full understanding of his hatred for America, but those people are so small in numbers I don't worry about them. I also don't worry about what some hack in Canada has to say about me and my country. All these cowardly USA bashers may be too gutless to fight back against the barbarians who are trying to take over the world, but I am sure that even though they would never admit it, they are glad we DO have the guts to fight.


37 posted on 11/21/2004 10:08:15 AM PST by ba11game
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To: UpHereEh

Blue Smurf Party, not wanted, needed, or appreciated. Take your moronic philosophy and migrate to France!


38 posted on 11/21/2004 10:13:31 AM PST by winker
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To: Quinotto; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP

Bump!


39 posted on 11/21/2004 10:13:58 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Quinotto; EdReform; Fiddlstix; Happy2BMe
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40 posted on 11/21/2004 10:24:01 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Hang on Canada, help is on the way!


41 posted on 11/21/2004 10:25:22 AM PST by bella1 (red county, blue state)
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To: UpHereEh
Just leave the clymer alone! It is the Canuckistanis that were so afraid of letting another voice be heard. If this guy is correct, then in a year, FOX will rethink the finances and pull out. The pronlem, of course, is that the ultra-left wing Canuckistan media simply can not compete with an open and free media.

O'reilly? Yeah, he's a jerk and he is unwatchable. But, the other FOX stuff (most of it) is better at news than any other outlet around. Doyle's paper resists FOX because the left wing bias on everything they report will quickly becaome apparent.

It is not that Doyle is a prick or a fairy, it is just that he is afraid, very afraid of an honest competition that he's always had the government protect him from.

42 posted on 11/21/2004 10:27:55 AM PST by Tacis (Kerry - You Can't Make A Silk Purse Out Of A Lazy, Lying, Elitist Scumbag!)
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To: ARridgerunner

John Doyle is The Globe and Mail's resident idiot.
Don't pay him any attention.
The Globe and Mail once was a respectable newspaper.
Now one reads it to laugh or to fall asleep.


43 posted on 11/21/2004 10:28:39 AM PST by Allan
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To: UpHereEh

Why would I email irrelevant Canadian "journalists"?


44 posted on 11/21/2004 10:32:10 AM PST by Stentor
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To: UpHereEh
I should clarify that my comment are geared more towards CNN and not FOX news. Fox News coming to Canada is like the opening of a stock exchange in Red Square when the Soviet Union collapsed.
45 posted on 11/21/2004 10:34:47 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: Tacis

I spend alot of time in the US and have watched Fox News many, many times. The truth (that you won't hear in the media) is that Global and the CCTA have been pounding away at the CRTC because of thousands of letters demanding the Fox News Channel. In addition, since the announcment of the approval, Rogers, Bell ExpressVu, etc... have been bombarded with requests to order the channel. The CBC (Canadian Brainwashing Channel) have already put in a request for an additional $100 million of taxpayer funds in an attempt to improve their pathetic broadcasts, knowing that they don't stand a chance when Fox arrives. The best part about this whole media smear job of Fox is in the end, more of the public will want the channel just to see what all the fuss is about. In effect, it's free promotional press for Fox, which suits me just fine.


46 posted on 11/21/2004 10:39:32 AM PST by UpHereEh
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To: UpHereEh

My mother always said, when referring to idiotic comments by "less-than-intelligent" people: Consider the source.

This guy and the "news"paper he writes for are not worth the bandwidth to comment to.


47 posted on 11/21/2004 10:39:54 AM PST by Monkey Face (Is a vegetarian allowed to eat animal crackers?)
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To: UpHereEh

Frankly, I think "douche nozzle" is wonderfully appropriate.


48 posted on 11/21/2004 10:41:48 AM PST by Reactionary
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To: Monkey Face

The joke of the article is that it wasn't printed as an editorial, but as a "Top News Story". Consider the source, indeed.


49 posted on 11/21/2004 10:44:08 AM PST by UpHereEh
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To: Grampa Dave

What is a semi-legal satellite system?

Canada has two licensed satellite providers. All others are illegal. Many, many homes have illegal Direct Tv and "pirate" the signal. Although, Direct Tv has scrambled their signal and it has not been cracked for close to 6 months, rendering the satellite useless.


50 posted on 11/21/2004 10:44:29 AM PST by In The Crease (Canada---no leftists need apply.)
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