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The Islamization of Europe?
Commentary Mag ^ | 12/2/04 | David Pryce-Jones

Posted on 12/05/2004 4:06:02 AM PST by ml1954

Only a few years ago, mass-murder attacks on the West in the name of Islam, like those of September 11, would have seemed like a thriller writer’s fantasy. Nor would anyone have imagined that a bombing by Islamists could swing a general election in a European country, that a Dutch movie-maker might be shot dead on the street for a film about the abuse of women in Islam, or that one might find oneself watching, on television, the beheading of Western hostages by men crying out Allahu Akhbar! over their savage deeds....

At present, it is not clear whether the religious/ideological rage that is the motive force behind these developments has any limits, whether it may yet succeed in mobilizing truly huge numbers of Muslim masses, or whether it can be deflected or crushed....

Does this crisis amount to a “clash of civilizations”? ...

Today’s situation has been a very long time—centuries—in the making. For much of that time, of course, the encounter between Muslims and the West remained stacked in favor of the latter, both militarily and culturally. Which is not to say that Europeans of an earlier age were blind to the danger posed to Western civilization by a resurgent Islam. One watchful observer was Winston Churchill, who wrote about Islam—or Mohammedanism as it was then called—in The River War (1899):

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science . . . the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

(Excerpt) Read more at commentarymagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: churchill; clashofcivilizatio; dhimmitude; eu; eurabia; europe; europistan; islam; jihadineurope; koranimals; muslim; terrorism; terrorist
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Bin Laden and the Islamist Fascists may soon be regarding Europe as low hanging fruit. When and if they do, Europe may experience a few 9/11's of its own.
1 posted on 12/05/2004 4:06:02 AM PST by ml1954
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To: ml1954

Although it is bad, and I apoligize in advance to any Eurpoean visitors on the board, I think something like this is exactly what needs to happen in Europe. Until there is a major strike in Europe, a lot worse than a train derailmant, they are not going to wake up and start taking terrorism out of the Middle East seriously. There was a joke a week back or so with the Concorde slamming into the Eiffel tower. This, or something of the same magnitude, is exatly what needs to happen.


2 posted on 12/05/2004 4:18:09 AM PST by SSG USA
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To: ml1954

Ack! and Double Ack! Europe is nearly lost!

Will the French dames enjoy wearing their burkhas?

Will the Irish, et al be willing to give up drinking?

They need a revival of some kind over there STAT!


3 posted on 12/05/2004 4:25:26 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: ml1954
Europe is the new leibenstraum for the Islamic masses.
4 posted on 12/05/2004 4:30:03 AM PST by samtheman
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To: jocon307
Will the Irish, et al be willing to give up drinking?

You can slander the Irish all you want. However, you can be sure of one thing, that all the Irish will be dead before they surrender the Republic to Muslims.

They fought the British for 800 years and recovered most of their homeland.
5 posted on 12/05/2004 4:34:08 AM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: ml1954
France will be "Islamized"...as soon as Chirac's bribe money runs out.
6 posted on 12/05/2004 4:45:27 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Beckwith

"You can slander the Irish all you want. However, you can be sure of one thing, that all the Irish will be dead before they surrender the Republic to Muslims."

Hey, I AM Irish (-American) and I drink, and I certainly hope what you say is true. But they got a lot of Muslims over there now, and for the life of me I don't understand why. Don't understand it about the Scandos either. I understand about the US, nation of immigrants, etc. The European countries that had colonies, I understand why they have an immigrant Muslim population now, but these other places, I'm clueless.


7 posted on 12/05/2004 4:49:24 AM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: SSG USA
Alas, I fear you are correct. As someone who lives in Germany, I clearly gather no comfort from the prospect.

The central facts in understanding European lack of enthusiasm for the war against terror, its antipathy toward America, its near unanimous opposition to the war in Iraq and its visceral hatred of George Bush are:

1. A belief that America was attacked essentially for its support of Israel which is misplaced and obsessive because of domestic political lobbies.

2. That Europe is not a target.

3. That the notion that terrorists would strike with weapons of mass destruction is so fanciful that it need not be considered seriously or even considered at all -and it is not commonly considered.
8 posted on 12/05/2004 5:11:09 AM PST by nathanbedford
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To: nathanbedford
A belief that America was attacked essentially for its support of Israel which is misplaced and obsessive because of domestic political lobbies

Suppose that is entirely true-it has just enough truth in it to keep it going-it does not explain the eurofascination with the "Palestinians".

I mean, why do they care about their little "Palestinians" AT ALL-never mind why SO MUCH?

They don't care about the Serbs. They don't care about the Kurds. They don't care about the Tamils. They don't care about the Papuans. They don't care about the Sudanese. They don't care about the Congolese.

What is it (other than their desire to wipe out the Jews) that makes the so-called Palestinians such a huge and obsessive object of European concern?

9 posted on 12/05/2004 5:19:00 AM PST by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: ml1954
Secular left is insane. Another quote:

Or consider the European reception of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, heir to Sayyid Qutb as the religious authority of the Muslim Brotherhood. Wanted on charges of terrorism in his native Egypt, al-Qaradawi now lives in Qatar. Like Tariq Ramadan in Switzerland, he emphasizes that Muslims must keep apart from liberal democracy as it is practiced in the West while also availing themselves of its benefits and advantages. But he goes much further. Unlike Ramadan, he approves of wife-beating in the forms sanctioned by the Qur’an; as for homosexuals, he is agnostic on whether they should be thrown off a high cliff or flogged to death. Yet this year, in an official ceremony at London’s City Hall, al-Qaradawi was welcomed as "an Islamic scholar held in great respect" by the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone. "You are truly, truly welcome," gushed Livingstone, an otherwise enthusiastic supporter of gay pride.

10 posted on 12/05/2004 5:24:46 AM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: SSG USA; MadIvan; Fred Nerks; albertabound
World opinion view in FR ping.

I'm curious if this is going to be somewhat of a play out of Europe getting taken over and that England, as in WWII, will become the turning point of the already declared war (on radical islamic fundamentalism) by then. I am a proud American, and thought it would be interesting to try and get a perspective from other proud countrymen. Australia, and Britain, have always been our allies, and see the bonds between the three getting a lot tighter before all is said and done.

England has Europe to create problems, United States has Mexico, and to a far less extent, Canada. with Muslim BS trying to radicalize it's religious law on mooslims who are Canadian. Even Australia has problems with the "Religion of Peace" island hopping towards them.

This is not a hate muslim turn in the thread. It is a concern about a possible "outting" of how soon we will have an official World War against the radical Islam element around the globe. Am asking others around the world if my vision is crystal clear, as far as a problem coming at the "freest" nations of the world.
11 posted on 12/05/2004 5:31:19 AM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, needs to start acting like it! He needs to defend America's southern border - NOW!)
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To: USF

European Ping


12 posted on 12/05/2004 5:36:25 AM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: Issaquahking
"It is a concern about a possible "outting" of how soon we will have an official World War against the radical Islam element around the globe."
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I think the only reason it is not "official" is it would sound the alarms to attack. This has been the game of our world politicians. They are trying to pretend there is no problem whist they figure out what to do. I believe the EU will go down first, staring with the low hanging fruit of france. They have the largest population of muslims.
13 posted on 12/05/2004 5:40:22 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: jocon307
"But they got a lot of Muslims over there now, and for the life of me I don't understand why."

The Irish economy has been booming for the last 15 years. They simply need more workers. And I don't think the Irish have experienced any major problems with their immigrants.

14 posted on 12/05/2004 5:41:45 AM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: Truthsayer20

"And I don't think the Irish have experienced any major problems with their immigrants."
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They are not there in large enough numbers yet.


15 posted on 12/05/2004 5:46:10 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Truthsayer20

Any western country which needs immigrant labour should consciously opt for Indians(Hindu), Chinese, Filipinos etc - anyone BUT muslims !


16 posted on 12/05/2004 5:47:44 AM PST by bilrak
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To: Truthsayer20

Any western country which needs immigrant labour should consciously opt for Indians(Hindu), Chinese, Filipinos etc - anyone BUT muslims !


17 posted on 12/05/2004 5:48:18 AM PST by bilrak
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To: bilrak

% of Muslims in EU

18 posted on 12/05/2004 5:53:45 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: ml1954

Sadly, the truth is we (US collectively) are aiding the Muslim
Jihad against us. Even after 911, Iraq and all the rest, we still have leaders - including President Bush - who still don't "get it."

The percieved necessity of political correctness that leads us to at least pretend to see Islam as "The Religion of Peace" flies in the face of 1500 years of history.

The first step to resolving a problem is to recognize the problem. The US still does not recognize the problem. Europe doesn't even recognize that there is a problem.


19 posted on 12/05/2004 5:58:23 AM PST by LoneStarC
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To: Beckwith
However, you can be sure of one thing, that all the Irish will be dead before they surrender the Republic to Muslims. They fought the British for 800 years and recovered most of their homeland.

They fought against the Anglicans/Episcopalians. Ionian Greeks, Armenians and Lebanese fought Muslims and for longer. Greeks had to escape (those who survived), the part of Armenia which was ruled by Russia exists. the rest is gone, Christians in Lebanon are reduced to minority (which will be destroyed after Syrian regime is "liberated").

20 posted on 12/05/2004 6:05:53 AM PST by A. Pole ("For the love of money is the root of all evil" -- II Timothy 6:10)
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To: LoneStarC

"The US still does not recognize the problem. Europe doesn't even recognize that there is a problem."



I think they do know but don't want to wake the people up to it. I think people are slowly coming out of their coma..I hope there is a really good plan.


21 posted on 12/05/2004 6:07:13 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Earthdweller
I think you are correct, look how many times we were hit before 9/11? It was the second hit on the towers!

The way we treat the southern border of the U.S. makes me shudder thinking about who is coming here unnoticed...Why do we have a bunch of leaders, and their constituents, who are living in the free world, continue to wear blindfolds?

what do it take to sound the alarm?

Something like this? -




22 posted on 12/05/2004 6:36:10 AM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, needs to start acting like it! He needs to defend America's southern border - NOW!)
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To: bilrak; Valin

"...anyone BUT muslims !"

That's right, they're all the same.


23 posted on 12/05/2004 6:43:21 AM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: ml1954

Unfortunately, American political leaders are as weak and worthless as European when it comes to the threat posed by Islamic immigration.


24 posted on 12/05/2004 6:45:02 AM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: Issaquahking
I'm curious if this is going to be somewhat of a play out of Europe getting taken over and that England, as in WWII, will become the turning point of the already declared war (on radical islamic fundamentalism) by then
How do you think England will address the problem considering that it has quite a large muslim population, larger IIRC than several other European countries that according to many have surrendered to islam.
25 posted on 12/05/2004 7:01:06 AM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: LoneStarC



This is our problem, however the Europeans have one too. That the radical islamics were able to get an idiot elected in Spain, created Europe's "mexican border". Makes a nice hole into Europe's back door to start filling the country with "cells" in the wait. Upon command, they will become the EU's worst nightmare. The media,(FOX exempted) and the presstitues will all wonder why an appeaser like Spain, and the region, would be hit by Islamic fundy's?

Someone needs to remind the civilized world, that there is only one reason for Islamic fundamentalists to have captives/prisoner's. They are trading stock to get theirs back, or BS the world, while they work on their next step. If they can't do that, then they kill all the prisoner/captives, no need to feed deadwood in the eyes of a terrorist. I don't believe the world has a clue as to how ruthless these third century idiots really are...
26 posted on 12/05/2004 7:02:40 AM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, needs to start acting like it! He needs to defend America's southern border - NOW!)
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To: LoneStarC

we still have leaders - including President Bush - who still don't "get it."

In my mind, the jury is still out on Bush. Before the election he was constrained by his political opposition. It's encouraging that Powell is gone and that Condi is taking his place, and that Rummie is staying.

I just finished reading Ben Stein's (and Phil DeMuth's) book 'Can America Survive?' and highly recommend it. In the intro he outlines a scenario of what it would have been like after Pearl Harbor if FDR's political opposition had behaved the way the Left has towards GWB after Sept. 11. Basically, he doubts we would have won WWII. Europe's mainstream is far left of our left. If we have trouble staying united after Sept 11, what would happen in Europe? Bin Laden and his pals have to be asking themselves this question.

27 posted on 12/05/2004 7:24:39 AM PST by ml1954
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To: Goodgirlinred; ApesForEvolution; Happy2BMe

Long but excellent read...ping


28 posted on 12/05/2004 7:35:41 AM PST by weenie (A corner is being turned and there is no return from that new world)
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To: Issaquahking

Upon command, they will become the EU's worst nightmare.

And Europe may become a favorite target for this reason. They are already heavily infiltrated. The Islamist Fascists already have an infrastructure in place there. The EU's internal open borders policy makes travel easy. At the same time we are harder to get at since 9/11 and the US is still a distant and strange land to many in that part of the world.

They've observed the US is deepley divided after 9/11 (Bin Ladens pre-election tape was practically a DIM/MSM/liberal talking points memo). The European left holds much greater power than our left. The Europeans are much less able to defend themselves than we are. They are practically defenseless. So what might happen to Europe politically if hit by a couple of 9/11's? Bin Laden and associates may be asking themselves this same question and may want to find out the answer.

29 posted on 12/05/2004 7:38:32 AM PST by ml1954
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To: Issaquahking; Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado; freedom moose
I'm curious if this is going to be somewhat of a play out of Europe getting taken over and that England, as in WWII, will become the turning point of the already declared war (on radical islamic fundamentalism) by then.

I suggest that the spread of Islam is more like the Black Death (Bubonic Plague) in the mid-1300's than WWII. I don't think it can be fought (except in part) with conventional weapons.

We need to carefully define the enemy before we can develop an effective battle plan.

30 posted on 12/05/2004 7:48:20 AM PST by weenie (A corner is being turned and there is no return from that new world)
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To: SSG USA
Although it is bad, and I apoligize in advance to any Eurpoean visitors on the board, I think something like this is exactly what needs to happen in Europe. Until there is a major strike in Europe, a lot worse than a train derailmant, they are not going to wake up and start taking terrorism out of the Middle East seriously. There was a joke a week back or so with the Concorde slamming into the Eiffel tower. This, or something of the same magnitude, is exatly what needs to happen.

I'm afraid you are right and it is terrible that innocents must pay the price of that but there are many examples like that through history. I guess in a way, it is like tough love where to wake somebody up, you need to have them experience the worst so you can give them that jolt that's needed. I was thinking that since Europe has experienced Adolph Hitler, Communism and many such horrors in the last century, you think they would knoe better. The bright side is that when the Moslems were on the march in the Middle Ages, they fought them off because they knew what was at stake, perhaps there will be a new awakening there. The scary part is that France is a great power and their quest for atomic weapons, France provides an easy way to get them, just become powerful enough to steer their policy and they won't have to beg, borrow, or steal nukes.
31 posted on 12/05/2004 7:59:36 AM PST by Nowhere Man (We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
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To: A. Pole

It's bizaare, but one of the major motivations of the Left is hatred. The leftist Lord Mayor of London hates Western Civilization and so loves anyone who is also an enemy of Western Civilization. The enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality. The irony is that if the Muslims took over, he'd be on their to-be-beheaded list. I suspect that the Leftists see the Muslims as useful idiot allies in their war against the West but think that the Left will always be in control of the situation.


32 posted on 12/05/2004 8:08:22 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: weenie; freedom moose
The islamic fundy's remind me of a medusa; cut one head off but it grows another. It appears to be leaderless at times, only based on hate of western culture. When one of it's islamic jihadist leaders does make a showing, he knows how to work a third century group.

He will say, "If I show myself, they will kill me, so you need to hear me out, as I have to stay ahead of them!" He will play upon their sympathies and keep an eye out for someone to do his dirty work. The closer to be an "end of the roaders" they are, the easier it is to sell them the snake oil of Ameica and her allies, are the islamic problem.

It's going to be difficult hunting down, and killing all these goofs in a timely manner, before others can spring up to replace them, but it is the battle we face.
33 posted on 12/05/2004 8:20:11 AM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, needs to start acting like it! He needs to defend America's southern border - NOW!)
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To: weenie; ApesForEvolution; Goodgirlinred; Issaquahking; Fred Nerks; USF; jan in Colorado; ...
Demographics - it's ALL about DEMOGRAPHICS . .

Demographics "There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially,” he said. “And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well. … By 2020, 50% of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.” He even drew attention to the birth dearth in the West.

“And don’t forget, coupled with this there is this collapse of numbers,” he said. “Western Europeans are not having any babies. The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56% of what it is now. The population of France, 52% of what it is now. The population of Italy is going to be down 7 million people.”

WND Exclusive


FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Radical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country


Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

* * *



Omar Ahmad (Click Photo)
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
President and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies.
A Palestinian who grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan.

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ......
Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-Omar Ahmad



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Ibrahim Hooper
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(Click
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"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promotethat. I'm going to do it through education.""CAIR does not support these groups publicly." (when asked about CAIR's record of supporting Hamas, Hezbullah and other official terrorist groups)
  -Ibrahim Hooper

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Muslims in America

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Num. of Muslims in the U.S.:  7  million
Num. of American Muslims associated with a mosque:  2  million
Num. of mosques in the U.S.:  1,209
% of regular mosque participants who are male:  75%
% of regular mosque participants who are African-American:  30%
% of regular mosque participants who are Arab:  25%
Source: "The Mosque in America: A National Portrait," a study conducted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Hartford Institute for Religion Research
(April 26, 2001)

34 posted on 12/05/2004 8:23:49 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
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To: SSG USA

Nothing will "snap" Europe out of its complacency, I believe. If blowing up train stations brings about a electoral surrender, blowing up the Eiffel tower would bring a Muslim Coup d'Paris.


35 posted on 12/05/2004 8:25:47 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Issaquahking
The islamic fundy's remind me of a medusa; cut one head off but it grows another. It appears to be leaderless at times...

That is because the leader is hidden...Islam is Satanic (it is a big stretch of mind to consider that we actually might be at war with something not human...it uses human soldiers, but it is the category of "other").

Your descriptions paint a pretty clear picture. Of course, I might be wrong.

36 posted on 12/05/2004 8:38:37 AM PST by weenie (A corner is being turned and there is no return from that new world)
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To: Issaquahking
The way we treat the southern border of the U.S. makes me shudder thinking about who is coming here unnoticed...

Don't think we are just sitting by an letting people waltz in like we used to. The heat has been turned up but not fast enough.

I was on the Texas/Mexico border recently. One great concern is that the IslamoNazis and the Hispanic gangs like the Mexican Mafia will hook up. LEO's and the Feds. are watching this very closely. They are very concerned that Mexican gangs will be provided some MANPADS and use them. The Mexican gangs will do ANYTHING for money. Without a second thought.

37 posted on 12/05/2004 8:49:30 AM PST by isthisnickcool (John Kerry in 2008!)
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To: Mamzelle; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass

                                                     

38 posted on 12/05/2004 9:19:59 AM PST by devolve (http://00access.tripod.com/GreenGrass.html http://00access.tripod.com/CountryRoads.html)
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To: Happy2BMe

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 12/05/2004 9:35:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Happy2BMe

Death To all Islamofascist terrorists ~ Bump!


40 posted on 12/05/2004 9:50:11 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Happy2BMe

We shall defeat these satanic Koraniacs were it to be the very last thing we do...and erase them from the earth.


41 posted on 12/05/2004 10:31:15 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: Siamese Princess

"I suspect that the Leftists see the Muslims as useful idiot allies in their war against the West but think that the Left will always be in control of the situation."


I think you hit the nail on the head. The Left are perfectly comfortable embracing fanatics as long as they are useful and they think there is no threat to their own power. When the recognition that radical Islam is in fact a grave threat to their own ideology finally hits home, things will change. It appears they are already changing, but overall they will probably try to hang onto an obsolete picture of reality until the roof caves in on them.


42 posted on 12/05/2004 10:34:34 AM PST by nosofar
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To: nosofar
I think you hit the nail on the head. The Left are perfectly comfortable embracing fanatics as long as they are useful and they think there is no threat to their own power. When the recognition that radical Islam is in fact a grave threat to their own ideology finally hits home, things will change. It appears they are already changing, but overall they will probably try to hang onto an obsolete picture of reality until the roof caves in on them.

Frankenstein's monster comes to mind. Some European leftists realize the monster in their midst -- the late Theo Van Gogh was one.

43 posted on 12/05/2004 10:59:30 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: ApesForEvolution
Aw, how mean you are to the sweet Religion of Bloodthirsty Peace!
44 posted on 12/05/2004 12:08:31 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: devolve
Which just goes to show that this nation needs to get back to its Christian roots. When I was in the eighth grade we read a Bible verse before class started every morning. We had a Jewish boy in our class and he always read from the Old Testament. There was no problem there. I believe that we must show respect for all religions, but whatever happened to the majority being able to express themselves? The minority may leave the room and have their own time of prayer or not if they are atheists. And, we should teach our daughters not to get involved with Muslim men. They should see the movie "Not Without My Daughter" and real life clips of the lives of Muslim women.
45 posted on 12/05/2004 12:26:09 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: SSG USA
Well, they can destroy a monument, but please, no more killing of innocent people. Enough of that has been done.
And guess who will have to go in and save the Franchises hides? You guessed it. The good old USA as always.
46 posted on 12/05/2004 12:30:57 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Truthsayer20
If they need more immigrants, how about the Mexicans? They are Christian and willing to work. No problem with them. They just need to learn to speak English if they don't already. I say that we should shut the door to Islamic immigrants unless they have been thoroughly checked out and they are in danger of being killed because they are loyal to the United States.
47 posted on 12/05/2004 12:40:59 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Goodgirlinred

France and Mexico both share Latin cuturle base.


48 posted on 12/05/2004 12:55:06 PM PST by John Will
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To: John Will

What does that mean? Sorry, I am not up to your standards yet. I am an R.N., not a political science major.


49 posted on 12/05/2004 1:16:53 PM PST by Goodgirlinred (Four More Years!!! Goodgirlinred)
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To: Siamese Princess
I watched the short clip out of Van Gogh's movie for which he was killed. While the movie was probably a soft "R", it wasn't so much the flesh that would have bothered anyone, it was the way the mooslim man (men) treated their (possession intended, this is not a grammatical error) women. It was a great expose` of what the fundy's don't want anyone to know, was the way I read it. Anyone planning on doing an expose`, heads up and keep the heat close!

Not to sound like a radical, but the elephant is in everyone's country, and he knows he's been spotted. personal advice? Know your firearms. Take a tip from the Mormons about having a healthy supply of food stashed. Live life to it's fullest. The day that some goofs attack America with the intension of taking it, will make 9/11 look like child's play. Anything that faintly resembles Mideast (right, wrong, or indifferent) will probably be dead within a week. Then the games for finding the "others" will start. I'm not suggesting violence or anything, it's just a dark look at the future if we don't get control of what's attacking our underbelly currently.
50 posted on 12/05/2004 1:47:15 PM PST by Issaquahking ( Bush won, PROTECT OUR BORDER'S- NOW! We'll handle the PC and the ACLU losers.)
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