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Proof of the Boy Scout's Policy [on Homosexuality] is Working, Catholic Church should Follow
Our Lady's Warriors ^ | Michelle Parker

Posted on 12/05/2004 5:18:10 PM PST by Coleus

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1 posted on 12/05/2004 5:18:10 PM PST by Coleus
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


2 posted on 12/05/2004 5:19:06 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

homosexuality must NEVER gain sanction in this country.


3 posted on 12/05/2004 5:22:00 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Coleus
This is the epicenter of cultural terrorism in this country.
4 posted on 12/05/2004 5:24:32 PM PST by Mulch
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To: Coleus

I have taken a lot of heat for stating that every homosexual was a latent Pedophile. Doesnt change the fact.


5 posted on 12/05/2004 5:28:59 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (If God doesnt destroy Hollywood he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.)
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To: Coleus

Anyone seen James Dale, lately???


6 posted on 12/05/2004 5:31:16 PM PST by Waco
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To: sgtbono2002

You are correct. I spent 20 years dealing with these maggots. Only fear keeps them out of the "chicken patch"


7 posted on 12/05/2004 5:34:15 PM PST by investigateworld (( Another Cali refugee in Oregon ))
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To: sgtbono2002

Here in SD a Boy Scout leader was just caught with many pictures of child porno on his computor.

and on a side note, this from South Dakota Politics


However, it is also time for people to take a good, hard look at its citizens. People involved in the Daschle campaign said they became alarmed during the last month preceding the election at the downright viciousness and hatred exhibited by ordinary people. One campaign leader said, "The fact is that these are not nice people. Why would anyone want to live among them?" Again, South Dakotans tend to mouth all the cliches about the clean and crime-free way of life they cherish while some of the meanest and most bigoted people in the nation are setting a malicious and perfidious tone to everything they touch. It is time to address what some of the citizens of South Dakota are really like.


8 posted on 12/05/2004 5:48:28 PM PST by South Dakota
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I think the argument that priests should be allowed to marry is about creating a larger pool of potential priests who might not otherwise enter the priesthood, rather than as a cure for sickos.


9 posted on 12/05/2004 5:51:33 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: sgtbono2002

You are right - and I like the point about how all of these Catholic "sexual abuse" cases involved HOMOSEXUALITY. Was there one case where a priest bedded a young woman?


10 posted on 12/05/2004 5:53:18 PM PST by GianniV
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Here in SD a Boy Scout leader was just caught with many pictures of child porno on his computer. >>

The rate of scout leaders doing this sort of thing has decreased tremendously since the bsa yp was started. It's not perfect but it works.
11 posted on 12/05/2004 5:57:09 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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The Catholic Church's VIRTUS program (Nat'l Catholic Risk Retention Alliance), an education program required of all persons working with children in any Catholic Church setting, states that homosexuality and pedophilia are NOT related. They really made a point of it, too.

So, it's not just turning a blind eye to the problem, the Catholic Church is promulgating this misinformation.


12 posted on 12/05/2004 6:00:07 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: madameguinot

I think the argument that priests should be allowed to marry is about creating a larger pool of potential priests who might not otherwise enter the priesthood, rather than as a cure for sickos. >>

Could be. It's a fact that it won't work for the sickos since the rate of protestant ministers abusing children is almost equal to that of priests. Marriage isn't the solution for preventing child abuse in the ministry. It may help in garnering more catholic priests in the future as you stated.


13 posted on 12/05/2004 6:00:31 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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I've always thought that the BSA should just restate its policy on scout leaders, changing it to: "Mindful that scout leaders will often be placed in intimate unsupervised settings with scouts, no individual who is sexually attracted to males will be allowed as a scout leader." This would encompass both females and homosexual males and thus remove the homosexual argument from the discussion.
14 posted on 12/05/2004 6:10:32 PM PST by PMCarey
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Was there one case where a priest bedded a young woman?

I know of one. She was 13, if I remember correctly. That particular priest was laicized in the first round.

15 posted on 12/05/2004 6:15:59 PM PST by Desdemona
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This would encompass both females and homosexual males and thus remove the homosexual argument from the discussion

Until the first lesbian and her lawyer shoed up. ;-0

16 posted on 12/05/2004 6:19:23 PM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Coleus
Sadly, in an effort to be more welcoming and tolerant, the Church compromised its own written principles...

Follow the money...and I'm not Catholic bashing. In 53 years I have not found an organized religion that doesn't cater to to the money. Most of the people I've run across are good and decent folks...the wealth-seeking higher-ups have always desecrated the main purpose.

FMCDH(BITS)

17 posted on 12/05/2004 6:20:02 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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There's actually a wealth of psychological and anthropological evidence to suggest that adult male homosexuality is an obsessive disorder (I'm not saying that it therefore is not a sin; all kinds of sins are also obsessive). It occurs when the normal bonding of males with other males in childhood is prevented or corrupted, or is associated with cruelty and humiliation. So the homosexual male "knows" that he has always felt attracted to other males, because in point of fact he always has. But his mistake is in thinking that he is alone in this regard. All males long for those bonds -- those friendships, those blood brotherhoods.

They long for them more -- and, sometimes, more achingly -- than women can imagine. When this longing is frustrated by a cruel or absent father, or by repeated humiliation at the hands of the other boys, or by a possessive and sissifying mother, or, horrible to think, by an actual incident of seduction and molestation, the jig is up. At puberty the unfulfilled longing becomes sexualized.

Anyone notice how strange it is that male homosexuality should focus so obsessively, not only on youth, but on such pre-puberty fascinations of boys as urination, defecation, voyeurism, and so forth? They are fixed at the emotional age when everything first went wrong.

SO THEN, THESE are the people you want anywhere near boys??? Most, no doubt, will NOT act on their impulses. But they will feel those impulses (as heterosexual males, if they are normal, feel absolutely nothing in the presence of some 12-year-old girl). They will feel them, and they will not be able to help REACTING from them, in the form of a funny word or two, or too much interest in the boy's life, or a squeeze of the shoulder, or an inappropriate joke, or a suggestive revelation about what life is REALLY like, or something. In no case is it a healthy situation.


18 posted on 12/05/2004 6:23:59 PM PST by Alighieri
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Mindful that scout leaders will often be placed in intimate unsupervised settings with scouts, no individual who is sexually attracted to males will be allowed as a scout leader.

Well, DUH!

Are heterosexual males allowed to take Girl Scouts on unsupervised unchaparoned overnight trips?

Of course they are not.

19 posted on 12/05/2004 6:28:37 PM PST by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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" It's a fact that it won't work for the sickos since the rate of protestant ministers abusing children is almost equal to that of priests."

I find this statement entirely unbelievable. Can you cite a reputable source, especially one relating to abuse of boys?

20 posted on 12/05/2004 6:31:05 PM PST by Irene Adler
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