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December 7th, 1941 -Pearl Harbor Remembrance!
Many | December 7th, 1941 | Mixed-Self & Others

Posted on 12/07/2004 6:10:50 AM PST by M. Espinola

December 7th, 1941 -Pearl Harbor Remembrance!

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Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto planned the Pearl Harbor attack. Two things inspired Yamamoto's Pearl Harbor idea: a prophetic book and a historic attack.

The book was The Great Pacific War, written in 1925 by Hector Bywater, a British naval authority. It was a realistic account of a clash between the United States and Japan that begins with the Japanese destruction of the U.S. fleet and proceeds to a Japanese attack on Guam and the Philippines. When Britain's Royal Air Force successfully attacked the Italian fleet at Taranto on November 11th, 1940, Yamamoto was convinced that Bywater's fiction could become reality.

On December 6th, 1941, the U.S. intercepted a Japanese message that inquired about ship movements and berthing positions in Pearl Harbor. The cryptologist gave the message to her superior who said he would get back to her on Monday, December 8th.

On December 7th, a radar operator in Oahu saw a large group of airplanes on his screen heading toward the island. He called his superior who told him it was probably a group of U.S. B-17 bombers and not to worry about it.

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor began at 7:55 A.M. on December 7th, 1941. The entire attack took one hour and 15 minutes. Captain Mitsuo Fuchida sent the message, "Tora, Tora, Tora," to the Japanese fleet after flying over Oahu to indicate the Americans had been caught by surprise.

Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its Government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific. Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese Government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. Very many American lives have been lost. In addition American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounded determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December seventh, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire."



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 1941; anniversary; december7th; doolittleraiders; doriemiller; fdr; hawaii; japan; pacificwar; pearl; pearlharbor; sneakattack; ussarizona; washington; wwii
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Dorie Miller, Messman (1919-1943) Hero at Pearl Harbor

A messman aboard the U.S.S. Arizona, Dorie Miller, had his first taste of combat at Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941, when he manned a machine gun and shot down four Japanese planes.

Born on a farm near Waco, Texas in 1919, Miller was the son of a sharecropper, and grew up to become star fullback on the Moore High School football team in his native city. At 19, he enlisted in the U.S. Navy, and was nearing the end of his first hitch at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack.

On the infamous morning of December 7th, 1941, Japanese bombers and fighters flew over Pearl Harbor and rained a hail of bombs and bullets on the slumbering U.S. Navel base there. Among the battle vessels sunk and reduced to helpless hulks was the U.S.S. Arizona, the ship on which black messman Dorie Miller was routinely going about his duties collecting laundry when the ear-splitting sounds of battle sirens and exploding shells rent the air. Miller rushed up on deck, and instantly hauled his wounded Captain to safety.

Moments later he sprang into action behind an anti-aircraft gun he had never been trained to operate. Firing calmly and accurately, he shot down four zero fighter planes before the cry to abandon ship was heeded by all survivors.

On May 7th, 1942, messman Dorie Miller was cited for bravery by Admiral Chester Nimitz, Commander-in-chief of the Pacific Fleet, who decorated him with the Navy Cross and in doing so acknowledged the nation’s debt to a black man of “extraordinary courage”. The medal did not bring with it an instant promotion, or a transfer to a line of duty, which might have been more in keeping with Miller’s demonstrated aptitude or preferences.

After returning from a trip back to Harlem, in New York City, where he drummed up support for the purchase of U.S. War Bonds, Miller yearned to get back into action. Remaining a messman during the hostilities while aboard the aircraft carrier Lescome Bay, he was subsequently promoted to mess attendant Third Class. He was killed in action in the South Pacific in December of 1943, when his ship was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine.

Sailors on board the USS Hoel saw smoke and flame rise at least a thousand feet when the torpedo ripped into Liscome Bay and detonated her bomb magazine.

At 0533, Liscome Bay listed to starboard and sank (in 23 minutes), carrying Admiral Mullinnix, commander of the Air Support Group, Captain Wiltsie, 53 other officers, and 591 enlisted men down with her. 272 of her crew were rescued.

Miller was commended for “distinguished devotion to duty, extreme courage and disregard of his personal safety during the attack.”

USS Liscome Bay survivor, Robert "Bob" E. Haynes Montrose, CO Dec 2003

The American losses sustained at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, were staggering. The United States lost 160 planes to the sneak attacking Japs, and in the confusion of battle five aircraft from USS Enterprise were shot down by friendly fire. Eighteen ships were sunk or damaged, including USS Arizona, the pride of the Pacific Fleet. The dock and hangar facilities were so twisted and mangled that it took months to repair them. In terms of manpower lost, American casualties totaled 3,581. The effect on morale throughout the nation was devastating. The Japs lost 29 planes and 55 airmen. America's situation could have far worse at the end of 1941 if American aircraft carriers had been at Pearl Harbor. Thank God our carriers were at sea which some months later allowed for the incredible, daring Doolittle Raid on Japan's mainland, April 18th, 1942.

Lieutenant Colonel James H. Doolittle (left front), leader of the attacking force, and Captain Marc A. Mitscher, Commanding Officer of USS Hornet (CV-8), pose with a 500-pound bomb and USAAF aircrew members during ceremonies on Hornet's flight deck, while the raid task force was en route to the launching point.

Lieutenant Colonel James H. Doolittle, USAAF (front), leader of the raiding force, wires a Japanese medal to a 500-pound bomb, during ceremonies on the flight deck of USS Hornet (CV-8), shortly before his force of sixteen B-25B bombers took off for Japan. The planes were launched on April 18th, 1942. The wartime censor has obscurred unit patches of the Air Force flight crew members in the background.

Japanese friendship medal heading back to Tojo air mail.

USAAF aircrewmen preparing .50 caliber machine gun ammunition on the flight deck of USS Hornet (CV-8), while the carrier was steaming toward the mission's launching point. Three of their B-25B bombers are visible. That in the upper left is tail #s 40-2298, mission plane # 6, piloted by Lieutenant Dean E. Hallmark. That in top center is tail # 40-2283. It was mission plane # 5, piloted by Captain David M. Jones. Both attacked targets in the Tokyo area. Lt. Hallmark, captured by the Japanese in China, was executed by them at Shanghai on 15 October 1942.

USAAF aircrewmen preparing .50 caliber machine gun ammunition on the flight deck of USS Hornet (CV-8), while the carrier was steaming toward the mission's launching point. Ammunition box in center is marked "A.P. M2, Incndy. M1, Trcr. M1", indicating the ammunition types inside: armor piercing, incendiary and tracer. Note wooden flight deck planking, with metal aircraft tiedown strips in place of every eighth plank.

Sabine (AO-25) refuels Enterprise (CV-6) in rough weather, during the approach phase of the Doolittle Raid on Japan, April 17th, 1942. Note configuration of refueling gear, and spare anchor stowed on the oiler's after superstructure bulkhead.

USS Hornet crowded with 16 B-25 heads toward Tokyo.

On route to Tokyo, the task force was joined by Admiral William 'Bull' Halsey on board the Enterprise which would finally provide it air cover the rest of the way.

Each of the remaining raiders successfully launched despite stormy seas.

B-25 lifts off from USS Hornet on Doolittle raid of Tokyo.

Doolittle's B-25 waits for the signal from Lt. Edgar Osborn before taking off from the USS Hornet on April 18th, 1942.

Lieutenant Colonel James H. Doolittle, USAAF, (center) with members of his flight crew and Chinese officials in China after the 18 April 1942 attack on Japan. Those present are (from left to right): Staff Sergeant Fred A. Braemer, Bombardier; Staff Sergeant Paul J. Leonard, Flight Engineer/Gunner; General Ho, director of the Branch Government of Western Chekiang Province; Lieutenant Richard E. Cole, Copilot; Lt.Col. Doolittle, Pilot and mission commander; Henry H. Shen, bank manager; Lieutenant Henry A. Potter, Navigator; Chao Foo Ki, secretary of the Western Chekiang Province Branch Government.

Lt. Col. James H. Doolittle

Of the 80 raiders, three died as a result of their landings and eight were captured by the Japanese. The rest escaped to friendly territory with widespread help from courageous Chinese townspeople perhaps hundreds of thousands of which would soon be killed by the Japanese Army in retribution. One of the pilots, Ted Lawson who flew plane #7 the ruptured duck -- would see his story published a year later and a year later that Hollywood had made it into a movie with Van Johnson, Spencer Tracy and Robert Mitchum (i.e. 'Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo'.) Doolittle, who was sure he would be court-martialed for having lost all his planes, was instead awarded the Medal of Honor, promoted to brigadier general and given command first of the 12th Air force in North Africa, then the 14th in the Mediterranean and finally the mighty 8th in England and Okinawa.

Location where three American flyers were executed by the Japanese as war criminals (above). Despite his horrific experiences as a POW, raider Jacob DeShazer (in both photos) after the war returned as a missionary to Japan and helped convert -- among others -- Mitsuo Fuchida to Christianity. Both men remained friends until Mr. Fuchida passed on.

"That morning [December 7th] … I lifted the curtain of warfare by dispatching that cursed order, and I put my whole effort into the war that followed. … [But] after buying and reading the Bible, my mind was strongly impressed and captivated. I think I can say today without hesitation that God's grace has been set upon me." -Mitsuo Fuchida-

Captain Fuchida had many close brushes with death, including six crashes at sea. Shortly before the battle of Midway he underwent an appendectomy on board ship. Though he did not fly, he was in the thick of that battle. A bomb-hit on his ship broke both his legs and hurled him into the sea, from which he was rescued and sent back to Japan. Had he not been out of action he would have commanded the Japanese air force at Guadalcanal and might well have met the fate of many of his fellow officers who died there.

When I began the research for this posting a very different ending was in mind. Being totally unaware of the what transpired between Jacob DeShazer & Mitsuo Fuchida, the ending was changed to what you see. My conclusion is, if these two men could forgive each other, anyone can.

M. Espinola

(This posting is dedicated to my father, Navy Lt., M. F. Espinola, who bravely served in the Pacific theatre & shall be reading this.)

1 posted on 12/07/2004 6:10:52 AM PST by M. Espinola
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To: M. Espinola

Excellent job!


2 posted on 12/07/2004 6:24:02 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: M. Espinola
Very nice photo essay except... On December 7th, a radar operator in Oahu saw a large group of airplanes on his screen heading toward the island. He called his superior who told him it was probably a group of U.S. B-17 bombers and not to worry about it.

The photo is of B24 Liberators.
3 posted on 12/07/2004 6:24:23 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm a monthly donor and all I get is this stupid tagline.)
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To: M. Espinola

Thanks for the posting this.

Not much play in the Press.

Rmember Pearl Harbor!


4 posted on 12/07/2004 6:49:40 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush your enemies; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women - Conan)
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To: M. Espinola

Excellent. Very well done. Thank you.


5 posted on 12/07/2004 6:54:07 AM PST by engrpat
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To: Conspiracy Guy
That was my fault since the photo of the three Liberators would fit size-wise. Not kosher, I know. For graphic effect only.


6 posted on 12/07/2004 7:00:18 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

My mother saw the attack first hand. She was 10 years old living in Pearl City. The following link is of my grandfather that I registered at the WWII Memorial in Washington D.C.

http://www.wwiimemorial.com/registry/search/plaq.asp?HonoreeID=1621815&addhonoreeid=&preview=


7 posted on 12/07/2004 7:00:35 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: M. Espinola

very well done.
I wrote a letter to the editor of the Jackson Mississippi paper 13 years ago during the 50th Anniversary of the Attack on Pearl Harbor when it seemed that the paper's political cartoonist was making light of the number of TV specials.
It would sadden the WWII generation to know how many kids today know more about Sponge Bob than about Pearl Harbor.


8 posted on 12/07/2004 7:07:49 AM PST by WoodstockCat (W2 !!! Four more Years!!)
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To: M. Espinola

I agree one heck of a post. I have a question though;
Has there been an effort to upgrade Miller's medal to the Medal of Honor? It seems to me that he would qualify for it. Any comments would be welcome.


9 posted on 12/07/2004 7:10:37 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: M. Espinola
Well done, good sir!

My father served in the pacific theatre from '42 to '45 as a USN MM aboard the USS Cogswell (deisel-powered destroyer). He's gone now, and I have in my keeping many momentos and artifacts from that war. The places his battle group went reads like a who's-who of the entire war in that part of the world.

Just this morning I was telling my 6-year-old son about the importance and significance of this day. When he gets home from school this morning, I will be showing him this thread to further his education on this day of great sacrifice and courage.


10 posted on 12/07/2004 7:15:25 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: M. Espinola
Thank you for an outstanding post.

You may enjoy this rest of the story by Paul Harvey titled "Surprise Attack".

Surprise Attack


Beginning in 1931 and for the next decade, the same question appeared on every final exam for each graduating class of Japan’s Naval Academy.

Now what would that question be? For ten years, every graduating naval cadet in Japan was asked the same question: “How would you carry out a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor?”

When that question first appeared on the exam, there was no correct answer. Then in February of 1932, nine years and ten months prior to the real attack on Pearl Harbor, the Japanese discovered what they believed was a foolproof plan. That strategy was in fact the one they eventually employed.

Yet for nine years more, the question “How would you carry out a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor?” appeared on the Japanese Naval Academy final exam.

With literally hundreds of various suggestions, gleaned from the fertile minds of Japanese youth, not one could rival the strategy of the 1932 plan. How they really surprised us at Pearl Harbor is the rest of the story.

In the fall of 1941, a Japanese ship arrived at Honolulu. Four members of the crew, who were posing as stewards, were really officers in the Japanese Imperial Navy. Two submarine experts and two surface ship and air operation experts.

Had we been more suspicious at the time, they might have wondered why that particular ship had taken the route it did to the islands. A far-north approach, passing the icy Aleutians.

Today we know that the four Japanese naval experts were testing a plan the Japanese had been counting on for almost ten years. Much to their gratification, the Japanese naval officers sighted neither ships nor aircraft on this far-north desolate swath of sea.

A month later a fleet of Japanese ships would take this same route to Hawaii, only then it would be for real.

The Japanese officers, disguised as stewards, took plenty of shore leave, saw the sights, took snapshots, and spoke with the island natives. They even took tourist plane rides over Pearl Harbor and more snapshots. They were testing a plan, and so far, the plan was on target.

The consulate gave these Japanese “stewards” maps of Pearl Harbor and the military airfields. Just to make certain, they purchased souvenir sets of picture postcards containing aerial shots of Pearl Harbor, views of Battleship Row and the mooring area by Ford Island.

Returning to Japan, the naval officers spies were confident; the plan they had had for a decade was the right plan. Indeed, it was the plan they used December 7, 1941, and the United States was indeed surprised.

In 110 minutes, 8 big battleships and 3 light cruisers had been sunk or damaged, 188 planes had been destroyed, and 2400 men had been killed. The blow not only paralyzed us in the Pacific for the greater part of a year, it also exposed our inexcusable optimism and our unbelievable unreadiness for battle.

Behind our anger was the one burning question: How did they do it?

Before 1950, six investigations were launched in search of an answer.

The Japanese plan of attack was more than theory: it had been proved effective. For in 1932 United States Admiral Harry Yarnell decided to demonstrate the vulnerability of Pearl Harbor by slipping two aircraft carriers in close from the northeast. He launched 152 aircraft that theoretically could have obliterated all airplanes on the ground and sunk most of the ships at anchor.

Japanese naval attaches in Honolulu read about the exercise, were so impressed that they filed voluminous dispatches to Tokyo.

Their report ultimately manifested itself as the Japanese Master Plan.

That’s right.

Almost a decade before the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, we showed the Japanese how to do it!

11 posted on 12/07/2004 7:16:20 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: M. Espinola; January24th

Nice job! Many pics I'd never seen before. Thanks!


12 posted on 12/07/2004 7:19:11 AM PST by Camachee
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To: M. Espinola

Beautiful post, Thank you.


13 posted on 12/07/2004 7:23:21 AM PST by jazzo
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To: MosesKnows

To think the MSM complains about mistakes our military makes today.

I wonder if Michael Moore thinks the Japanese were just defending themselves against the imperialistic Americans?


14 posted on 12/07/2004 7:23:39 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: M. Espinola

Confirmation, Kaminski. I-WANT-CONFIRMATION.


15 posted on 12/07/2004 7:25:49 AM PST by skeeter
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To: M. Espinola

Thank you for this thread.
I knew that a Freeper would remember that it was "Pearl Harbor Day".
There was a "Dorie Miller American Legion Post" in a town near where I grew up. It was good to read about this brave patriot.
Many thanks to your father and my father in law who also served bravely in the Pacific.


16 posted on 12/07/2004 7:28:13 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: M. Espinola

Didn't mean to be a critic. You did a great job but I am a wing nut!


17 posted on 12/07/2004 7:33:50 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm a monthly donor and all I get is this stupid tagline.)
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To: M. Espinola

Great post! Pearl Harbor bump!


18 posted on 12/07/2004 7:39:51 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: M. Espinola

My father was a chief machinest mate in charge of the auxillary engines on the USS Solace on Sunday, December 7, 1941. He was on deck and an eye witness to the entire attack.

I've only heard him tell the story twice. We taped him the last time, he was giving an account to my son's boy scout troop.

Real heros don't talk about what they've done.

And at 95, my father's still going strong. His mind's sharper than mine!!


19 posted on 12/07/2004 7:48:19 AM PST by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: BulletBobCo
I had the honor of knowing Navy Corpsman Joe Hydrusko while growing up. He owned Dick & Dora's Restaurant, a legendary Italian place on the Alhambra Canal in Massapequa on Long Island.

Joe was officially credited with rescuing @ 300 sailors from the burning waters during the attack and the leading the efforts to cut 36 sailors from the burning hulk of the Oklahoma. (as we say in his hometown...you can look it up)

Joe was also a Fleet Boxing Team member (heavyweight) and a legitimate tough guy who beat the snot out of four punks who tried to rob his restaurant..when he was in his sixties.

Joe became a pilot and initiated the annual dropping of the roses over the Statue of Liberty on the anniversary. He continued this until his tragic death in a fueling accident. He was a family friend and a hero.

21 posted on 12/07/2004 7:58:42 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: KosmicKitty

See my post 22 about Joe Hydrusko, a Corpsman from the USS Solace.


22 posted on 12/07/2004 7:59:56 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: M. Espinola

Absolutely excellent posting!


23 posted on 12/07/2004 8:08:32 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: mainepatsfan

Most likely.


24 posted on 12/07/2004 8:09:09 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

Last man to hire me before I went in the Air Force was a navy vet named Porter Ellis. Mr. Ellis was a plank owner on the Hornet, was on board when she launched the Doolittle Raid, and was on board when she was sunk. He was a great guy to work for.


25 posted on 12/07/2004 8:13:23 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Come on you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever?)
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To: bowzer313

May I add:

http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/mainmenu.html


26 posted on 12/07/2004 8:15:41 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Joe Brower
Thank you for sending your post. I fully agree we must instill in our sons & daughters our history.

My father was off Okinawa while on board ship fighting fires from incoming Zeros Kamikaze attacks. He also talks about being involved in the 150 mph typhoon on June 2nd and 3rd, 1945 east of Okinawa. This typhoon damaged 33 ships and destroyed 76 airplanesmostly on the flight or hanger decks of aircraft carriers after the airplanes broke free of the chains holding them down. The storm killed six men on U.S. ships. The tropical storm died at sea without ever hitting land.

I am thinking of doing a posting on that subject later on.


27 posted on 12/07/2004 8:22:24 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Frank_Discussion

The more information we have the better. This is a great listing of links. Well done!


28 posted on 12/07/2004 8:24:08 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
Here's something I pulled off the site: Looks like a recent cartoon to me...
29 posted on 12/07/2004 8:25:25 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: mainepatsfan
Three of their B-25B bombers are visible. That in the upper left is tail #s 40-2298, mission plane # 6, piloted by Lieutenant Dean E. Hallmark. That in top center is tail # 40-2283. It was mission plane # 5, piloted by Captain David M. Jones.

That would mean that the third plane in the picture (the one right at the very bottom) is #7, 40-2261 - aka "The Ruptured Duck" commanded by Ted Lawson and made famous in his book (and the Spencer Tracy/Van Johnson movie) "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo" ...
30 posted on 12/07/2004 8:27:25 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: M. Espinola

Well done.


31 posted on 12/07/2004 8:28:12 AM PST by Christian4Bush (The drive for 60 in the Senate begins NOW: only 680+days left until the Midterm Elections!)
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To: M. Espinola

God bless you for an excellent thread.

Now, a moment of silent prayer in memory of that tragic day, December 7, 1941.

Amen.


32 posted on 12/07/2004 8:34:24 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: M. Espinola

Just excellent beyond belief. What were all the ships we lost again? I forget all the names?


33 posted on 12/07/2004 8:44:48 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Frank_Discussion

The American left has become the America First crowd of 1941.


34 posted on 12/07/2004 8:52:55 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: M. Espinola
One of my favorite stories about the Doolittle Raid was about the crew of Bomber #8. This was the bomber captained by Edward York that landed in the Soviet Union (Vladivostok) instead of going to China. The Soviets held the crew for 13 months until they escaped to Iran in May of 1942.

The thing I've found amusing about this was in an interview with Doolittle years later, he related how every month he would get a call from Henry Stimson who was mad as hell because he had just received another bill for the food and care of these 5 airman detained in Russia.
35 posted on 12/07/2004 8:53:08 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Reporting from the Third World State of New Mexico.)
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To: M. Espinola
I shudder when I think of the immense sacrifice and bravery that this generation exibited in the face of unspeakable evil.

Gold bless them and all who fought to keep this country free.
36 posted on 12/07/2004 8:54:06 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Oh yeah - and F the french too!)
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To: M. Espinola

Just popped in my DVD of "Tora! Tora! Tora!". So far superior to that joke of a movie "Pearl Harbor".


37 posted on 12/07/2004 8:56:43 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

So I fear.


38 posted on 12/07/2004 8:58:03 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: CougarGA7

They were still luckier than the pilots the Japanese caught. Stalin had good reason for not wanting to get the Japanese upset. The last thing he needed at that point was to fight on a second front.


39 posted on 12/07/2004 8:58:33 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

"Pearl Harbor" was a terrible movie. It's a shame they had to have a war break out during that bizzare love triange.

When I saw that movie I had to watch "Tora, Tora, Tora" just to clense myself.


40 posted on 12/07/2004 8:58:37 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Reporting from the Third World State of New Mexico.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

It is politcally incorrect to acknowledge such things.


41 posted on 12/07/2004 9:00:20 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: M. Espinola

Thanks for posting this great memorial.


42 posted on 12/07/2004 9:01:31 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (She calls me *Mini-Merc*)
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To: Frank_Discussion

It's tragic how history is so woefully taught these days. I wonder how many teachers will even bring up the significance of today to their students.


43 posted on 12/07/2004 9:01:42 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: CougarGA7

I was hoping for another "Saving Private Ryan" and instead I got another "Titanic".

Luckily "Band of Brothers" came out later that year.


44 posted on 12/07/2004 9:03:29 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

True, the Japanese were brutal to its prisoners of war. Have you ever heard of Unit 731?


45 posted on 12/07/2004 9:08:19 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Reporting from the Third World State of New Mexico.)
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To: M. Espinola

While stationed on Ford Island in 1979-1985 our Army ship and boats were berthed where the Tangier (NW Side of island) is shown on the map. Many of the bomb creators and bullet holes were still evident at the time.


46 posted on 12/07/2004 9:09:49 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: television is just wrong

As the "Greatest Generation” dies off and its economic political clout wanes it will be up to us to carry on and remember this day that must live in infamy.

47 posted on 12/07/2004 9:10:59 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush your enemies; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women - Conan)
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To: mainepatsfan

It's getting to the point that kids are being force fed a mental diet of "It can't happen again" and "What did we do to make them mad".

Both concepts are immaterial about the reality of what starts war and what ends it.


48 posted on 12/07/2004 9:13:04 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Paved Paradise

Depends what you mean by "lost". Only a few were damaged beyond repair. As far as the capital ships:

Arizona was destroyed and remained where it is today.

Nevada actually got underway and was beached to avoid blocking the channel. It was repaired and took part in action in the war, participating in Overlord, June 6, 1944.

Oklahoma was eventually righted and was being towed to San Diego for extensive repairs when it was caught in a storm and sunk. Still pisses me off when I think about what those guys trapped inside the OK went through after the attack.

Utah was sunk and also kept where it is today.

West Virginia, Maryland, California, Tennessee were all repaired and saw action I think.

Pennsylvania was in dry dock and also came back in to service.


49 posted on 12/07/2004 9:15:54 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (She calls me *Mini-Merc*)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

For me, I will be joining up with the crews that are restoring and presenting the USS Texas. I've fallen in love with that graceful old warwagon, and I want people to know what she did, and what the real history of the world is from that time.


50 posted on 12/07/2004 9:15:56 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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