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FIRE DREIER LIAR JUNE 2005 PRIMARY Thursday, Dec. 9

Posted on 12/08/2004 6:07:49 AM PST by occutegirl

FIRE DREIER LIAR JUNE 2005 PRIMARY RALLY

IF YOU ARE FURIOUS OVER DREIER'S VOTE ON THE INTEL BILL COME VOICE YOUR FURY AT A RALLY IN FRONT OF Dreier's OFFICE. Let's send the message to Dreier he will be ousted June 2005 Primary

FIRE LIAR DREIER JUNE 2005 PRIMARY RALLY - BRING A SIGN, MAKE A SIGN, Join in

Date: Thursday, Dec. 9 Place: Dreier's Glendora Office 2220 East Route 66, Glendora, CA 91740 Time: 4-6pm

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Call David Dreier - let him know we his constituents are mobilizing for the JUNE 2005 Primary and email Dreier!

if you have already called Dreier, call him again!


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; dreier; dumbidea; idiotconvention; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; intelligencebill; misplacedfury; whatever
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1 posted on 12/08/2004 6:07:49 AM PST by occutegirl
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To: occutegirl

There ya go! Throw the baby out with the bathwater why don't you?

Why don't you concentrate on removing Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, or Maxine Waters instead of committing politcal suicide?


3 posted on 12/08/2004 6:10:58 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: valuesvaluesvalues; occutegirl
I hope Dreier turns it around in the next session of Congress and gets on board with some better legislation. I'm not holding my breath.

Wow, Dreier talked tough but when it came down to it, he gave a hearty middle finger to everyone on immigration.

Thanks Dave.

4 posted on 12/08/2004 6:15:24 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: SolutionsOnly

1. Because the issue is more important than the person.
2. I Live in Orange County
3. A Republican might actually do something about immigration.


5 posted on 12/08/2004 6:15:38 AM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: Ron H.; gubamyster; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; stevie_d_64

Please see OP Thanks


6 posted on 12/08/2004 6:18:19 AM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: occutegirl

I like Dreier too. I think John and Ken are out to lunch for whupping it up against DDreier. There are bigger problems by far -- Barbara Boxer, for one. He's good for the San Gabriel Valley in many ways, he is a Republican -- both of those things count for a LOT in my book.


7 posted on 12/08/2004 6:19:17 AM PST by bboop
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To: occutegirl

I'm as angry about weak republicans as you are, just don't shoot yourself in the foot by ending up with a Dem in Drier's seat. good luck.


8 posted on 12/08/2004 6:19:21 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: doug from upland

see my OP Thanks


9 posted on 12/08/2004 6:19:26 AM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: SolutionsOnly
Why don't you concentrate on removing Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, or Maxine Waters instead of committing politcal suicide?

Why? Because the Democracts DON'T COUNT. You could replace all three and idiots like Dreier will still sell us out.

The Republicans have a majority in BOTH houses and have the presidency. They are the ones calling the shots and if they (the Republicans) drop the ball then they should be removed.

Why? Because Dreier is the #3 man in the House and if he goes down the rest of the running dogs will take heed and grow a pair on this issue.

10 posted on 12/08/2004 6:21:08 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

Ok, but be careful what you ask for....


11 posted on 12/08/2004 6:23:57 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: SolutionsOnly
Ok, but be careful what you ask for....

I am asking for the government to stop selling out the country on immigration just because there is money to be made. Is that too much to ask for?

12 posted on 12/08/2004 6:26:41 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

Absolutely not. I'm with you on that. Dreier is carrying water for Bush's nutty amnesty plan and it ticks ne off, too. Yes, hold his feet to the fire, just don't end up with a Dem in his seat because that would be even worse...

So don't start talking about firing him before you've found an ELECTABLE replacement.


13 posted on 12/08/2004 6:35:30 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: occutegirl

"Call David Dreier - let him know we his constituents are mobilizing for the JUNE 2005 Primary and email Dreier!"

Fools. Go ahead and eat your own.


14 posted on 12/08/2004 6:36:11 AM PST by jbstrick (This tagline has passed the "Global Test")
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To: occutegirl

Sorry, you are on your own in this. I won't support replacing of any Republicans in California, no matter what. They are still far better than the alternative.


15 posted on 12/08/2004 6:41:56 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: SolutionsOnly
So don't start talking about firing him before you've found an ELECTABLE replacement.

Karl Rove and the State Republican party will see to it that no real conservative challenges Dreier for his seat.

But if one does, they (the state party, et al) will back Dreier all the way and the Kool-Aid drinkers on this board will moan about replacing an "experienced"(or some other such pablum) Republican with a newbie and how we can't afford an untested person.

16 posted on 12/08/2004 6:42:22 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: SolutionsOnly

I'm unfamiliar with this district but if it is like 90% of congressional districts in this country it is so gerrymandered that only the incumbent party can win it. So with that said beating Drier in a primary, (long shot) won't cost us a seat.


17 posted on 12/08/2004 6:46:02 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Harry Reid is an embarrasment to the Senate)
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To: occutegirl

This is idiotic. Please focus your retarded energy on attacking Democrats.


18 posted on 12/08/2004 6:47:43 AM PST by montag813
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To: occutegirl

What congressional primary happens in 2005?


19 posted on 12/08/2004 6:50:59 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: AreaMan

You must mean June 2006, but CA people really "believe" in the Dreier candidacy.


20 posted on 12/08/2004 6:53:14 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: montag813
This is idiotic. Please focus your retarded energy on attacking Democrats.

Dreier is exactly like the the Democrats on this issue.

The Democrats are irrelevant on this issue because they don't hold power in the Congress.

Our energy, retarded or not, will be focused on taking out someone who can make a difference on this issue but CHOOSES to f**ck us all.

21 posted on 12/08/2004 6:57:14 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: SolutionsOnly
There ya go! Throw the baby out with the bathwater why don't you?

The same could be said of you, every time a Republican is campaigned against, even in a primary, there are so many cliche filled arm chair strategist spouting sayings just like that.

Why don't you concentrate on removing Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, or Maxine Waters instead of committing politcal suicide?

Uh, kind of like how we can't fight in Afganistan and Iraq? We are, so stop your whining.

In case you aren't keeping score, Boxer's approval rating is hovering around 50%, yet she won in a landslide because of the weak "candidate" the CA GOP put up. Besides, this girl from OC is doing her duty as a citizen, opposing all enemies foreign and domestic.

22 posted on 12/08/2004 6:58:57 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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To: montag813
This is idiotic. Please focus your retarded energy on attacking Democrats.

Just keep insulting them until they get back to circle jerking about the irrelevant minority party so we can all feel good about ourselves, please?

23 posted on 12/08/2004 7:00:55 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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To: Theodore R.
You must mean June 2006, but CA people really "believe" in the Dreier candidacy.

Yes, whenever the primary is scheduled. But the groundwork for the primary probably starts in 2005, especially if the candidate will be fighting his own party to get out a lifer RINO like Dreier.

The people are creatures of habit and the level of political awareness is low. Dreier was saved mainly by the absentee ballots. Had the campaign against him started earlier he might have lost.

24 posted on 12/08/2004 7:01:08 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: jbstrick
what do you suggest.... when we can't count on our own .We have the majority and it doesn't mean jack. He's talking out of both ends. He's not in my district... Chris Cox is and he voted same as Drier. It's going to take a few whacks over the head for them to know we are serious about this issue. It's an uphill battle in So. Orange County to keep it Red... They have to keep him on his toes. We are not democrats that blindly follow the leader. We are Republicans and do have some control to make a change.
25 posted on 12/08/2004 7:04:54 AM PST by newfrpr04
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To: SolutionsOnly

Amen! It is going to take a moderate Republican to win in California in today's society if a Republican is ever going to win. Once you get some moderates in, you can build the party and work on getting more conservatives in after that. Instead of attacking Dreier so hard, I'd be pushing him to run for US Senate in two years. He might have what it takes to beat Feinstein.


26 posted on 12/08/2004 7:18:05 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: bboop; All
John and Ken!
Those two morons were railroaded out of NJ! They supported Florio and McGreevey.
How yoo say een Ingleesh, LOOSERS!
They are the Rula Lenskas of radio!
27 posted on 12/08/2004 7:28:00 AM PST by olde north church ("My nostrils have a right to flair, I'm in command." Major F. Burns)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA

wow, there are so many erroneous assumptions in your reply to me that I'm having a laughing fit right now.


28 posted on 12/08/2004 7:34:17 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Once you get some moderates in, you can build the party and work on getting more conservatives in after that.

Hey, we already have that. Dreier is a "moderate" Republican, now we are focusing on getting a conservative in his place.

29 posted on 12/08/2004 7:37:51 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
Karl Rove and the State Republican party will see to it that no real conservative challenges Dreier for his seat.

You gotta get off the kool-aid. What does Rove have to do with it?

I see that because of the tremendous success the GOP had in CA with prop 187, you must have in mind finishing the job(sarcasm). Are you a Democrat?

30 posted on 12/08/2004 7:41:31 AM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: AreaMan
I meant at a higher level. The process is working well so far with Schwarzeneggar as Governor. Move Dreier on up to the US Senate (you have to admit that he would be better than Feinstein!) and then elect a conservative to replace Dreier. Dreier is in a safe Republican seat, correct?

From everything I have heard, the structure of the California Republican Party has been in shambles for the past few years. Personally, I think this is the best way to rebuild it.

31 posted on 12/08/2004 7:46:43 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: SolutionsOnly

I don't buy that for an instant. Name one.


32 posted on 12/08/2004 7:53:36 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
From everything I have heard, the structure of the California Republican Party has been in shambles for the past few years. Personally, I think this is the best way to rebuild it.

I think you may be right but I wonder if Dreier were:
(pick as many as you like):
for tax increases
for gun control
pro-abortion
anti military

Which one, or combination of these, issues would cause the party loyalists to seek to replace him? And why is being an open borders sellout ok?
This is more a rhetorical question than one directed at you.

33 posted on 12/08/2004 7:54:45 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: occutegirl

Um... yeah. Good luck with that.


34 posted on 12/08/2004 7:55:35 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Mister Baredog
I see that because of the tremendous success the GOP had in CA with prop 187, you must have in mind finishing the job(sarcasm).

What's prop 187? I remember a vote by the people that overwhelmingly passed on something logical, but the Republicans let that get fillibustered in the courts. Their only failure with the California people is how they continue to show what feckless, callow cowards they are.

Are you a Democrat?

Are you always this desperate? The guy made good points. Next you'll be asking when he stopped beating his wife.

35 posted on 12/08/2004 7:56:52 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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To: AreaMan

I understand what you are saying. But, do you honestly believe he would not be more in tune with your values and philosophies than Feinstein? And, can you think of another California Republican that would have a stronger chance of beating Feinstein than Dreier?


36 posted on 12/08/2004 8:01:11 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: bboop
He's good for the San Gabriel Valley in many ways, he is a Republican -- both of those things count for a LOT in my book.

Actually that's only one thing. I can ad more though to help you out; "Republican (1) David Dreier hold a congression seat for the Republicans (2) for 24 Republican (3) years of being in the Republican (4) party."

There, that's 4 reasons for you, I bet those count for even MORE for you, and that is a LOT.

Meet exhibit A of the proverbial Kool Aid Drinker. My goodness.

37 posted on 12/08/2004 8:01:18 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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To: TommyDale
Sorry, you are on your own in this. I won't support replacing of any Republicans in California, no matter what. They are still far better than the alternative.

So, if the guard at the gate has an (R) after his name, you'll feel better on the way to the gas chambers?

Be rational for once, and NOT just a "brand loyalist"....if Ted Kennedy suddenly got an (R) after his name...would his votes AGAINST what you truly believe be OK somehow?

Or is THAT the problem that the Blinders, MK I crowd of Pavlovian (R)'s have...there IS no overriding principle....it's all about having that (R)...whether or NOT they back the issues?

Having one more (D) that votes like the current (R) makes no difference...it still sells out America!

Dump ALL the RINO's...if we lose control...TEMPORARILY...we do. But, by pressing the ACTUAL issues that concern Americans...stemming ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS...securing the borders...Conservative ideals wil win back what we DO NOT HAVE as long as RINO's can SCREW us!

38 posted on 12/08/2004 8:02:23 AM PST by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: Mister Baredog
You gotta get off the kool-aid. What does Rove have to do with it? I see that because of the tremendous success the GOP had in CA with prop 187, you must have in mind finishing the job(sarcasm). Are you a Democrat?

The last primary was the example I had in mind. Sonny Sardo, a businessman from Dereir's district challenged him in the primary.

Sardo was more conservative the Dreier on most any issue you could name. What was the response from the State party.....(sounds of crickets).

Ok, so Rove probably didn't care about it because he new Dreier was a shoe-in.

Prop 187 was a success, it passed with a great majority even among latinos. The Democrat governor let it die in court.

The, "Are you a Democrat?" line is typical when you have nothing else to go on.

39 posted on 12/08/2004 8:03:09 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
And, can you think of another California Republican that would have a stronger chance of beating Feinstein than Dreier?

I don't know. It would be great to get Feinstein out.
I just have a hard time believing that in the nations most populous state there are no better candidates than Dreier for senate. But what do I know?

40 posted on 12/08/2004 8:05:25 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

I would agree that there are better candidates . . . for us. But, the state as a whole is a little left of center. You have to find a candidate that can pick up some cross-over voters.


41 posted on 12/08/2004 8:10:43 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: AreaMan

Maybe he is exactly like the Dems on this issue (and then again, maybe not...), but there are MANY important issues, other than immigration to look at, like GUN CONTROL, NATIONAL DEFENSE and truly supporting our military, TAXES, etc. The majority of the dems are on the wrong side of almost every important issue, so don't slam Dreier for this one issue. Write letters and email to let him know what you think about this issue and his stance on it, BUT... as some of the other posters said, lets run the demonrats out of town before we start "eating our own".


42 posted on 12/08/2004 8:11:05 AM PST by DocH (Release ALL your Navy records AND your private journal Kerry!)
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To: occutegirl

I was at the first Fire Dreier rally just outside his office in Glendora. I left with a bad taste in my mouth. It was the first time I went to a John and Ken appearance since moving here a year ago, and it'll be my last. Well, I was at the Temecula event August 13th screaming at ASSa and Issa, but I don't really consider that a John and Ken event.

If John and Ken expect to build a ground force they better learn how to treat people who show up.

They could do so much more good if they had a volunteer organization leader to fill ranks and coordinate events.

I bet Dreier could have been ousted had they been serious and had someone with the skills and drive to deploy a volunteer army.

If they really expect to Fire Dreier during the next primary, they need a paid volunteer leader. No, I'm not applying.


43 posted on 12/08/2004 8:13:09 AM PST by Kluster
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To: Itzlzha

Dreier has been a good conservative for years. Punishing him over one vote is ridiculous, especially since they are going to introduce the illegal immigrant subject with another bill in January. For crying out loud, be a bit patient. He is much deeper congressman than just a single issue. He was possibly threatened with withheld funds for his district if he didn't vote for the bill. That's the way the game is played. He will get his chance in January to make amends.


44 posted on 12/08/2004 8:15:31 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: DocH
The majority of the dems are on the wrong side of almost every important issue, so don't slam Dreier for this one issue.

Agreed, he is on the right side of many issues and the Dems are not.

I don't know if you live in Calif. or have had a chance to hear Dreier expound on many issues but he is fairly commie when it comes to taking power away from the professional politicians.

Examples, Dreier was against the Recall of Gov. Davis but once he saw the way the crowd was going he stepped in front and claimed leadership.
He is against the Proposition and Initiative process in California, IOW he doesn't like the great unwashed having that kind of power.

The State of CA bears a multi billion dollar burden of illegal immigration and Dreier does virtually nothing to offset that cost either with federal money or by addressing the immigration problem.

That's just my take.

45 posted on 12/08/2004 8:24:06 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: TommyDale
Punishing him over one vote is ridiculous, especially since they are going to introduce the illegal immigrant subject with another bill in January. For crying out loud, be a bit patient.

you are right, one vote is not enough to condemn. There is more to it than that.

I will wait for January. Bear in mind, Dreier is a hardcore LIFER as he's been in power since 1984.

If we are any more patient Vincente Fox will be the next Governor of California.

46 posted on 12/08/2004 8:27:31 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: TommyDale
Punishing him over one vote is ridiculous, especially since they are going to introduce the illegal immigrant subject with another bill in January. For crying out loud, be a bit patient.

you are right, one vote is not enough to condemn. There is more to it than that.

I will wait for January. Bear in mind, Dreier is a hardcore LIFER as he's been in power since 1984.

If we are any more patient Vincente Fox will be the next Governor of California.

47 posted on 12/08/2004 8:27:44 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Are you always this desperate?

On the contrary I'm laughing at this whole thing. I guess that includes you.

If you want to discuss activist judges overruling the voters we can talk, this idea of "taking out" senior members of the GOP because they don't meet your "litmus test" on a given issue is simply, shall I say STOOPID.

I'm sure DUmbocrats will have difficulty hiding their GLEE with so much help coming from their opposition.

Since my Rep. is Diane Watson(black and elected for life) I would much prefer ANY Republican to her, unfortunately MY vote has been reapportioned into oblivion.

48 posted on 12/08/2004 8:43:40 AM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: AreaMan
Prop 187 was a success, it passed with a great majority even among latinos. The Democrat governor let it die in court.

Hey I voted for 187, I just don't like the results. The GOP used to have a chance in CA, not anymore.

Why not go after the judges, they're the real problem and getting worse every year?

Drier is NOT the enemy, that's MY opinion.

In 1992 I voted and worked for Perot, I got Clintoon, never again from my standpoint.

49 posted on 12/08/2004 8:49:04 AM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA

Dems count. They nullify GOP votes.

We can't fight wars in Afghanistan and Iraq at the same time. Says who?

There's two - and I'm not wasting any more time with you.


50 posted on 12/08/2004 8:49:49 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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