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We must reach the Liberals
12/18/04 | self

Posted on 12/18/2004 1:03:09 PM PST by coffee260

I see a culture of lost souls, who are misguided and need leadership. Noone who is a liberal dare disagree with other liberals The Liberals in our country need our help. They have no leadership or anyone to guide them when they are morally adrift. Face it the liberals think that morals were concocted by Carl Rove to win reelection. We have to help our countryman out. They don't know right from wrong. They don't have a clue what is going to hold our culture together. They are somehow pre-programmed to accept as truth the exact opposite of what conservatives believe. Just compare our truths with there's. The only reason someone ends up in this situation is without the truth being taught to them. Just think for a second, your expected to hate your country, stay away from god and hope the war your in is lost.. Conservative have literally taken the conservative issues from them and there only alternative is to oppose or to join us. We have to start helping them at least have a ship that is navigatible. Of course they will think we are trying to trick them every time we reach out. We have to save our brothers and sisters. No human on earth feels great about themselves knowing the choices and positions are dead wrong. I lay in bed every night after my talk with god and feel humble knowing that what I believe in and hold dear bring me such joy. Then I wonder what my lost brethren would do in the similar situation. Sturring with hatred tring to fill that emoty whole, knowing in your heart abortion is wrong yet lying to youself. Lets give them an issue of ours that will start as a building block back to a Strong belief in God, Country, Family and self. I choose as an issue to protect us from the ACLU.


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To: coffee260

If we can't reach them, perhaps they can be made into a nutritious snack food. Soylent red maybe...


21 posted on 12/18/2004 1:21:44 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: sheik yerbouty
You will have to talk there language. Win a little confidence and take it slow. Emotionalize your debate. It will work.
22 posted on 12/18/2004 1:22:46 PM PST by coffee260
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To: OSHA

Sturring with hatred tring to fill that emoty whole

Two of your suggested steps may not be needed!


23 posted on 12/18/2004 1:23:36 PM PST by aroostook war
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To: coffee260

Well, gee, do you suppose "re-education camps" a la the Soviet gulag system might work? They seem to like the Soviet way of doing things alot. Just a suggestion.


24 posted on 12/18/2004 1:24:25 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: SSG USA
Guys, it's useless to try to convert these people. They know exactly what they're doing - and that's trying to destroy this country, on the long shot chance that they can later grab power.

We need to do just what the Republicans did. Identify our fellow conservatives and strengthen them. Give them the confidence to fight hard. We outnumber the enemy, so we can do that. If we match their intensity, we can condemn them to the ash heap of history (to borrow a line from Carl Marx, on of their heroes).
25 posted on 12/18/2004 1:24:25 PM PST by BobL
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To: dansangel
The ones that want to be saved will eventually come around. The others cannot be forced or coerced.

It's no good to try to force or coerce a liberal, to be sure; what one can do, however, is try to set them up so their own leaders will be their own undoing. Try to formulate something you think their leaders will do which would be totally outrageous. Suggest politely to the liberal that you think their leaders are going to do such a thing, and try to get them to argue that such a thing would be so outrageous their leaders wouldn't possibly do it. When the leaders do it, don't rub it in or you'll trip up the liberals' defenses. Just be on the lookout for something else outrageous the leaders might do.

The key requirement is that the person must have decided that what the leader was going to do was outrageous before the leader did it (since anything the leader does is otherwise automatically self-justifying). If you again mention the leader's actions, that will justify it in the mind of the liberal. But if the liberal knows that something is outrageous and the leader does it anyway, there is no defense.

26 posted on 12/18/2004 1:24:51 PM PST by supercat (To call the Constitution a 'living document' is to call a moth-infested overcoat a 'living garment'.)
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To: coffee260

"Sturring with hatred tring to fill that emoty whole..."

A. What?

B. No matter what, no thanks!


27 posted on 12/18/2004 1:25:50 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: BobL

One of the great things about our constitution is that in a 60/40 country, the 40% are virtually powerless.

Since we are the 60%, let's finish off the 40%.


28 posted on 12/18/2004 1:26:48 PM PST by BobL
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To: coffee260
I am also a former liberal. My take is that liberalism is a mental disorder and socialism is a disease. Most of my former associates are still liberals; I don't talk to any of them anymore, because they are currently incapable of seeing the truth. For years I used to try to convince them that socialism was nothing but communism by another name and that the latter can only work if one is willing to destroy a large portion of their fellow citizens.

I used to consider these people as merely the "loyal opposition"; today I see them as the enemies of freedom. We are engaged in Civl War II in this nation. Some call it a culture war. So far it is a war of words. It has not become a hot war - yet. Massive civil unrest can still be avoided; but time is running out. The economic reality of trying to sustain an unsustainable welfare state on the backs of the working American is going to become apparent soon. When that happens all bets are off.

29 posted on 12/18/2004 1:27:29 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: MisterRepublican
"re-education camps"? I'm thinking more like internment camps. Segregate them from the rest of the population and let then fend for themselves.
30 posted on 12/18/2004 1:28:07 PM PST by SSG USA
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To: spodefly
Trust me I know what we are dealing with. It can and must be done.

If you take note of how fast the whole lib ilk gets on the same page and spews there talking points. It is almost instantly. That is a sign of an easily influential mind.

We conservatives need our facts...
31 posted on 12/18/2004 1:30:41 PM PST by coffee260
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To: elbucko
I agree with you.
And as I read your assessment, I'm amazed at the similarity of your description to that of a drug addict.
32 posted on 12/18/2004 1:32:25 PM PST by wolfpat
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To: supercat

It's great, in theory. In reality, it requires too much planning and the gift of clairvoyance.


33 posted on 12/18/2004 1:33:26 PM PST by dansangel (Thank you Veterans past and present!)
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To: coffee260
We don't need to help the libs. The libs have been sticking their elitist noses in our business trying to run every aspect of our lives.

Screw em.

34 posted on 12/18/2004 1:34:00 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: coffee260

I humbly suggest we wait them out. Sooner or later they will grow up and join the adult portion of the population.


35 posted on 12/18/2004 1:34:15 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: spodefly
How will you appeal to them? Through reason? Rationality? Forget it. The intellectual dynamics of reason and rationality are a vestigial organ in them. Emotion is all they can muster, and that, only in a manner that places them at the pinnacle of human evolution, and you as a theocratic, oppressive, racist, fear-monger. They have no God but themselves, and to appeal to that God is to acquiesce to their dim world view, their relativist stew of valueless existentialism. They will project on you their own fetid inclinations. They will see in you only that which they despise and fear.

Liberal puppets live in a universe which bears a certain resemblance to reality, but also some major differences. If the world fails to operate as their reality suggests that it 'should', they explain this discrepancy within their reality as being the work of the VRWC.

Many liberal puppets are moral people, but their views of morality are based upon their perception of reality. Indeed, if the universe actually worked as liberals believe it to, liberals' actions would be moral and conservatives' immoral. The difficulty in debating liberal puppets is not that they're emotionally-driven, but rather that their universe doesn't share some of the same fundamental premises that drive the 'real' one.

Note that I talk about debating the liberal puppets. The liberal leaders are very much aware of reality, and debating them is pointless unless liberal puppets who hear the debate might recognize the leaders' lies. Even this is doubtful, however, since in the liberal puppets' universe, almost any wrong by the leader is justifiable.

36 posted on 12/18/2004 1:34:40 PM PST by supercat (To call the Constitution a 'living document' is to call a moth-infested overcoat a 'living garment'.)
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To: coffee260

I have a best friend who has been Unionized his whole life, and thus, as one would suspect he is a Democrat. Not a Liberal ,but Democrat. It is sometimes difficult for us to be friends.

We try not to talk political, since, it has created stinks. Last night, his wife started talking about Jimmie Carter being on Jay Leno. I never watched it. I never watch Jay Leno. When she got into the part where Leno was saying how he was such an honest man, my pressure switched popped open.

In a polite, but somewhat irritated way, I told her how he had fooled alot of people, about him being an upright, honest, and christian man, including myself.

My friend then popped his pressure switched. He went from Carter to calling Bush an idiot for being in Iraq, and for killing all of the troops, to making them stay over there when their time was up. He can be very loud, he was very loud.

I tried cooling my tone down and talking rationally about his accuasations. I told him, everything he spoke of, he got off of the MSM, which were so bias, they couldn't tell the truth, if their lives depended on it. Only thing I couldn't come back at him with, was the part about Bush making the troops stay longer in Iraq and in the service when their time was up.

I have to say, I don't go along with this myself. Is it in their contract that this can happen? Is it really happening?

What is the deal?


37 posted on 12/18/2004 1:34:51 PM PST by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: 45Auto

"...because they are currently incapable of seeing the truth."

Right On!!

Let's get past this niceness and start fighting back. They are not misguided. They are basically an insurrection and must be disposed of. In this country we can do it at the ballot box. So let's all finish the job.


38 posted on 12/18/2004 1:35:01 PM PST by BobL
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To: dansangel

I know that to be true...


39 posted on 12/18/2004 1:35:19 PM PST by coffee260
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To: supercat

On the big issues the libs are dragging this country down, no doubt about that. They are responsible for their own actions. When they attack and undermine our President and his cabinet, when they demoralize our troops, and when they embrace the likes of Michael Moore and George Soros, they are responsible for that. They own that, and if they want the perception of them to change THEY need to change their behaviors and hateful words.
I went through a lib phase in college but I never, ever, ever dreamt of trying to sabotage our nation.


40 posted on 12/18/2004 1:37:03 PM PST by KJC1
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