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MORE DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS TO BE REGULATED?
FreeMarketNews.com ^ | Dec 20, 2004 | Michael A. Morning

Posted on 12/21/2004 9:55:45 AM PST by FreeMarket1

MORE DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS TO BE REGULATED?

Dec 20, 2004 - FreeMarketNews.com

by Michael A. Morning FMNN Health and Nutrition Correspondent

SPECIAL TO FREE-MARKET NEWS NETWORK, DEC. 20, 2004 -- In the past year, two significant federal dietary supplement legislations have banned previously legal supplements. But these initiatives are just the beginning of a renewed effort to actively pursue legislation against the dietary supplement industry. In Congress right now are three bills with much more far-reaching implications than the two passed this year.

There are those who oppose this trend, arguing that individual consumers should have the right to choose among nutritional products – and to determine what they should and should not ingest. The Health Information Independence Act (HR.4004) – opposing the trend of restricting nutritional choice - calls for a “restoration of rights” for American consumers who wish to retain the availability of a wide selection of dietary supplements.

In a speech introducing this bill, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) – a long-time free-market advocate - said the FDA’s “grocery store censorship” violated consumers’ First Amendment rights by preventing them from taking steps to improve their own health and further noted that, “the American people have made it clear they do not want the federal government to interfere with their access to dietary supplements.”

Looking out for the Consumer?

The new spate of proposed dietary regulations may be seen as a reaction, in part, to the steroid-scandal now engulfing Major League Baseball, in which several of the nation’s most prominent players have been linked to ingesting muscle-building – and health damaging - supplements. Proponents of increased regulations maintain that further safeguards are needed to ensure the nutritional protection of the American public.

The first and most visible of these proposed laws is S.722, the Dietary Supplement Safety Act, introduced by Senator Dick Durban (D-IL). This bill carries a number of weighty initiatives apparently aimed at counteracting certain freedom-of-choice safeguards contained in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) while opening the door to future FDA regulation and bans.

S.722 carries the following initiatives:

• Requires manufacturers to submit “adverse event reports” to the FDA for all complaints received regarding their products, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the “event”.

• Gives the FDA the authority to demand a manufacturer conduct market surveillance of any given product to check for adverse experiences from use and submit their findings to the FDA.

• Requires manufacturers to gain approval before bringing to market any product defined as a stimulant.

• Would place all products associated with or marketed for “muscle growth” under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

• Effectively shifts the burden of proof of a product’s safety from the FDA to the manufacturer, in direct opposition to the intent and wording of the DSHEA.

• Could allow a product to be banned following the submission of just a single isolated “adverse event”.

The bill has been portrayed by Senator Durbin and his supporters as a positive law for consumers – especially those searching outside of the remedies offered by the modern medical industry, and who may not be capable of sorting through manufacturers’ claims of various nutritional benefits.

Opponents maintain that the bill will increase bureaucracy and expense for supplement manufacturers, thereby hurting the free market development of new advancements and shutting out smaller companies from the ability to compete.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and The National Health Federation oppose S.722.

Less Visible but Stronger

A second, less visible bill pending in Congress is also much stronger than S.722. The Dietary Supplement Access and Awareness Act (HR.3377), introduced by Rep. Susan A. Davis (D-CA) simply suggests drug-like regulation of any and all products not classified as either a vitamin or mineral.

According to the specific wording of HR.3377, a “supplement” under the DSHEA would be amended to say any product that “does not bear or contain an herb or other botanical, an amino acid or a dietary substance used by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake”.

Under this bill, only basic vitamins and minerals would be left standing under the protections of the DSHEA and everything else would be reclassified and regulated as a drug.

Additional Funding

The third bill before Congress, less obvious in its regulatory aims, seeks millions more in funding for the FDA. The DSHEA Full Implementation & Enforcement Act of 2003 (S.1538), introduced by Senators Tom Harkin (D-IA) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT), is an appeal for more than $100 million dollars spread out over several years to see to better enforcement of the DSHEA.

While the DSHEA contained significant nutritional freedom-of-choice safeguards, opponents fear that so much money flowing into the FDA earmarked to enforce DSHEA will ultimately result in a regulatory regime that will have a dampening effect on the entire supplement industry.

Senator Tom Harkins’ record is that of an avid proponent of federally-mandated consumer protection – and his new bill notes that eventually the FDA may require between $24 and $65 million dollars per year just to “enforce” the DSHEA.

Building on Previous Accomplishments

The above bills are part of a larger wave of laws recently passed that aim to reduce or eliminate the availability of various nutritional supplements that are seen by opponents as potentially hazardous to health.

The first of these came this past April in the ban of the popular weight-loss herb ma huang (ephedrine). While ephedrine has been used in Asia for thousands of years, the recent, highly-popularized death of at least one top U.S. athlete – inaccurately linked to ephedrine-ingestion – helped fuel support for the bill in Congress.

Next, the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004, was signed into law by President Bush last October and will become effective January 22, 2005. This bill bans all muscle-building supplements known as “prohormones”, with the exception of the mild testosterone-precursor dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), used typically by older males for combating the rigors of age on virility.

Prohormones drew the attention of mainstream America when it was learned that baseball home-run king Mark McGwire was using the then-popular prohormone androstenedione. Though considered safe and relatively mild ......... For the complete article visit us @ FreeMarketNews.com


TOPICS:
KEYWORDS: codex; consumer; diet; dietarysupplement; fda; feds; government; health; nannystate; supplements; vitamins

1 posted on 12/21/2004 9:55:46 AM PST by FreeMarket1
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To: FreeMarket1
"...arguing that individual consumers should have the right to choose among nutritional products – and to determine what they should and should not ingest."

Should have the right???

We already have the right.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, SHALL NOT be construed to DENY OR DISPARAGE others retained by the people.

The "people" have the "retained" right to ingest the chemicals of their choice in the quantities of their choice, for the reasons of their choice.

2 posted on 12/21/2004 10:04:15 AM PST by tahiti
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To: tahiti
We already have the right.

And they intend to correct that error as soon as possible. Thank you Orin Hatch (R) and Thomas Harkin (D).

[end sarcasm]
3 posted on 12/21/2004 10:08:25 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: MizSterious

Ping....


4 posted on 12/21/2004 10:08:31 AM PST by underwiredsupport (for the shape of things to come!)
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To: FreeMarket1; neverdem
• Would place all products associated with or marketed for “muscle growth” under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

Very worrisome, vague wording. There goes protein powder out the window. And all protein, for that matter. Will they outlaw chicken beef and turkey too?

According to the specific wording of HR.3377, a “supplement” under the DSHEA would be amended to say any product that “does not bear or contain an herb or other botanical, an amino acid or a dietary substance used by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake”.

this wording is unclear to me. Does this mean that amino acids are OK or not? Gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA?)

As far as I'm concerned the DEA can stick to monitoring supplement manufacturing facilities for cleanliness. They don't even do that very well.

5 posted on 12/21/2004 10:11:39 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: FreeMarket1

A key thrust of this legislation is to assist pharmaceutical companies in ridding themselves of competition...competition in the form of comparatively inexpensive nutritional supplements that are increasingly demonstrating effectiveness in helping to maintain health and prevent/treat various disease conditions...when taken in appropriate concentrations.

Some of these bills (similar to those being adopted by the EU) would allow some (but not all) subtances to continue to be sold, but only in concentrations that would force one to buy/consume perhaps hundreds of capsules to get the equivalent dosage that can currently be obtained in 2-3 capsules.

Follow the money...


6 posted on 12/21/2004 10:12:14 AM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: FreeMarket1

I do think some regulation is in order - like when you overdose on those penis enlargement pills...


7 posted on 12/21/2004 10:19:20 AM PST by talleyman (Merry Christmas! ("And God bless us every one!"))
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To: Magic Fingers

DUMB ASS DEMOCRATS are at it again.


8 posted on 12/21/2004 10:20:15 AM PST by jocko12
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To: jocko12

"DUMB ASS DEMOCRATS are at it again."

Yep, with a little help from their RINO friends. The nanny-state always knows what's best for us.


9 posted on 12/21/2004 10:24:17 AM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: Magic Fingers
assist pharmaceutical companies in ridding themselves of competition...competition in the form of comparatively inexpensive nutritional supplements that are increasingly demonstrating effectiveness

As long ago as 1985, the pharmaceuticall industry was investigating supplements as a possible profit center. I met a department head from Eli Lilly on vacation in Germany back then. He was there checking out German homeopathic remedies. And btw, I've never taken a BioForce homeopathic that didn't do exactly what it promised. Very interesting stuff. And extremely cheap, so far at least.

When I asked him how his company tested new drugs on humans, he said that they did not do so. They just put new drugs on the market hoping they'd work as well as they worked in animal testing. Scary!

10 posted on 12/21/2004 10:25:18 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Might be of interest to you...


11 posted on 12/21/2004 10:32:56 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: jocko12
DUMB ASS DEMOCRATS are at it again.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Hatch, supporter of one bill, isn't a Democrat (at least not officially). And the Republicans are typically the party that supports big business. Guess who want the homeopathics/naturals regulated? Pharmaceutical companies. Wonder why? Guess who were in the closed-door-with-Republicans meetings that developed last year's medicare pill bill fiasco? Pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies.
12 posted on 12/21/2004 10:33:33 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: FreeMarket1
"• Could allow a product to be banned following the submission of just a single isolated “adverse event”. "

Imagine what would happen if we could do the same to the drug industry? Aspirins give me headaches, should that mean it's banned for people who don't get headaches from it? This is absurd, and dangerous. How can we stop this thing?

13 posted on 12/21/2004 10:35:36 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious; All

It gets even worse. Google CODEX. WTO is trying to take ALL supplements away from us. Evidentally have already succeeded in Germany and Sweden. Every citizen who knows the benefit of taking supplements needs to figure a way to stop this before it affects us here in the USA.. which could be 2005 after the every other year meeting in Rome of the drug companies pushing for full implementation of CODEX -- they want to turn us into a nation of "prescription" pill-poppers." or.... maybe they know that some of us are living longer and healthier thanks to nutritional supplements, herbs and homeopathy and they don't want that??????


14 posted on 12/21/2004 6:32:24 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: TomGuy; underwiredsupport; Veto!; Magic Fingers; jocko12; FreeMarket1

Pinging all of you to Arizona Carolyn's post #14 on this thread!


15 posted on 12/21/2004 6:42:37 PM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious; Arizona Carolyn

Thanks for the ping! This is my main field of interest and has been all my life. I'm very worried about having my supplements "approved" by the WHO Codex Alimentarium commie fascists.

Here is an excerpt of article about supplements in Canada that I just found online. Canada seems to be moving faster than we are toward lockstep dictatorial control of the nutrition industry. We may not be far behind. You can read more at http://sumeria.net/health/hpb-codex.html


EXCERPT:
The three Nazi-connected German drug companies have stated their main purpose as being to "...create a set of international standards to guide the world's growing food industry and to protect the health of consumers." If you really believe that, I have some ocean front property for you at half price in Saskatoon. The drug company backed proposals call for the following:

1. No vitamin, mineral, herb, etc., can be sold for prophylactic (preventative) or therapeutic reasons.

2. Natural remedies can be sold as food but they must not exceed the potency (dosage) levels set by the commission. This means that consumer access to dietary supplements will be limited to the RDA dosage as a maximum limit for vitamins (vitamin C - 60 mg, vitamin E - 15 mg, etc.). Supplements without an RDA (e.g. coenzyme Q10) would be illegal to sell because they would all become drugs.

3. Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding, eliminating the escape clause within the General Agreement of Tariffs and Trade (GATT) that allows a nation to set its own standards. This applies to all member countries of the U.N. Any nation that does not accept and apply these new standards will be heavily fined by the World Trade Organization (WTO), creating the potential for crippling entire sectors of the nation's economy.

4. All new supplements would be banned unless they went through the Codex approval process.

Five steps have already been taken in the Codex process over the past few years. Remember Canadian Bill C-7 which was passed eventually in Canada as C-8? The similarity of the process, the secrecy, and the wording between the Codex proposals and the Canadian laws is uncanny.

Voting in favour of adopting the German proposal has been overwhelming (16 for and 2 against in the most recent vote). (WITH ONLY UK AND USA VOTING AGAINST( The Codex process is now at "Step Five" - formalization and debate concerning the specific features.

In two years, Codex could jump from step 5 to step 8 to finalize these restrictions. The Codex proposals already exist as law in Norway and Germany, where the entire health food industry has literally been taken over by the drug companies. In these countries, vitamin C above 200 mg is illegal as is vitamin E above 45 IU, Vitamin B1 over 2.4 mg and so on. Shering-Plough, the Norway pharmaceutical giant, now controls an echinacea tincture which is being sold there as an OTC drug at grossly inflated prices. The same is true of ginkgo and many other herbs. Only one government controlled pharmacy has the right to import supplements as medicines which they can sell to health food stores, convenience stores, or pharmacies.

According to Dr. Matthias Rath, researcher and author who discovered a correlation between vitamin C deficiency and heart disease, the three Nazi-linked drug companies pushing so hard for the German proposal - Hoechst, Bayer and BASF - are also manufacturers of heart drugs. Obviously, with the vitamin competition gone, nothing will stop their profits.

The Spies Among Us

"HPB is interested in receiving any information for purposes of following up on any firms that continue to sell or distribute DHEA in violation of the Food & Drug Act and Regulations".
-- D.W. Shelly, Chief, Drug & Environmental Health Inspection Division.

HPB Chief Shelly is asking you to report any of your colleagues obstinate enough to sell DHEA. This sort of unpaid spy work was a favorite tactic of totalitarian regimes like the Nazis before WW II and the Communists before the Berlin wall came down. How economical!!
About a month ago, I was asked by Alive magazine to write an article about Codex. At the time, Rhody Lake, editor of Alive was told by representatives of both the HPB and the CNHPA (Canadian Natural Health Products Association) that Codex was not a threat to public access to natural health care products.

The facts do not support this belief. While the CNHPA says that it works on behalf of the natural products industry, it appears to support the HPB's removal of products from health food store shelves.

For example, in an Oct. 9, 1996 press release, the CNHPA said, "In light of the recent crackdown by Health Canada on the sale of the hormone, melatonin, in health food stores, the Association recommends that stores cease the sale of DHEA immediately."

Is the CNHPA in collusion with the HPB? Their actions seem to indicate that. So do their words: "...the Supplement Manufacturers' Committee is in almost daily negotiations with Health Canada in the area of regulatory affairs and working, with some success, toward special recognition..." What success? The reality is that these "daily negotiations" have been a dismal failure, making public access to health products worse than at any time in the history of Canada. According to John C. Hammell, legal advocate for the U.S. based Life Extension Foundation, the Nazi-linked proposals have the backing of Canadian and French Codex commission representatives.

In June of 1996, the Codex Executive committee created an "expert panel" on herbs which was expected generate a "negative list" to prevent public access to certain herbs internationally. The formation of this "expert panel" was advocated by none other than the Canadian and Austrailian representatives.

During the October 1996 Bonn, Germany Codex discussions only the United States and the United Kingdom voted against such a list and against limiting other supplements to a maximum international RDA.

Why then are the HPB and the CNHPA denying that the Codex proposals will have any impact on the availability of nutritional supplements in Canada? Either spokespersons for these two groups are ignorant about the proposals or they are lying to the public in order to protect drug company interests. After all, several voting member companies of the CNHPA are owned by or are subsidiaries of major drug manufacturers or pharmaceutical chains.

Neither group can be trusted to give the public straight answers about the Codex scam when, in fact, they are a part of the group trying to outlaw melatonin, DHEA, Kava kava, amino acids, and several dozen herbs. Some members of the CNHPA are in a clear conflict of interest since they stand to gain financially when the supplement prices are boosted through the roof. It should be noted that the CNHPA was formerly called the Canadian Health Food Association. Did changing its name have anything to do with drug company wishes? Further evidence of Canadian involvement with Codex is the HPB position on what is or is not a food or a drug. For example, garlic, ginger, licorice, and peppermint are considered to be foods when sold as spices. If a grocery store manager makes claims for their therapeutic effects, they then become drugs via a hocus pocus mechanism which still remains to be defined. Perhaps one of the drug owned supplement firms that are members of the CNHPA can explain how this occurs.

If Codex and the HPB have their way, your favourite supplements will be replaced by expensive, patented, over-the-counter or prescription drugs. Just look what has already happened to amino acids like tryptophan. Once available for under $20 for a bottle of 100 tablets of 500 mg at your local health food store, the same tablet is now only available by prescription at a cost of over $120 by prescription.
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Please ping other interested freepers. We all need to get off our respective and collective tushes and hammer on the doors of our US senators and congresscritters. My local congressional rep is a far-left liberal. And you know what? He'll go to bat for our side on this issue. Question is, what will Republicans do? Bush can't seem to give enough to the drug companies. He'd better hear from his loyal conservative constituency on this topic all day every day from now on.


16 posted on 12/21/2004 7:53:54 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: neverdem

neverdem, i think your ping list might be interested in this topic. See posts 14 and 16 besides the initial article. Bad things are afoot in the nutrition world thanks to the WHO who wants to deprive the world of vitamins, supplements, etc.


Check it out. thanks.


17 posted on 12/21/2004 8:00:53 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; ..

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

This was a special request. I take a multivitamin daily. As far as other supplements and herbs, I can't say much as I'm not that familiar with the research besides vitamin C for colds and as an adjunct to oral iron therapy for iron deficiency anemia.


18 posted on 12/21/2004 9:20:09 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Veto!

That sounds like Hillary Care.


19 posted on 12/21/2004 9:24:45 PM PST by cyborg (http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/flamelily.html)
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To: FreeMarket1

Any time you see Tom Harkin or Dick Durbin's name attached to ANY legislation, you KNOW it's to further the socialist agenda.


20 posted on 12/21/2004 9:30:47 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: neverdem

Oh great. It looks like I will have to order more stuff throught the mail.


21 posted on 12/21/2004 9:40:31 PM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: cyborg
From the wording, it sounds like Congress's usual power grab at the behest of lobbyists...this time inspired by Bobby Bonds.

Friggin' corksuckers! --you know, the stopper on a bottle.

What did you think I meant? ;-)

22 posted on 12/22/2004 5:52:10 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: F16Fighter
BTW, Harkin is very much in FAVOR of preventitive nutrition, etc., according to the late Dr. Atkins (Dr. Atkins' Vita-Nutrient Solution copyright 1998 by Robert Atkins, MD, First Fireside Edition, p. 245):

"Some pollen-producing companies still use all three apiary product together. One such product administered together in large doses in a single morning played an important historical role in creating the federal Office of Alternative Medicine (OAM). The beneficiary was Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, and the quick eradication of his allergies led him to conclude that alternative therapies may be worth looking into. Harkin has since become the Senate's foremost champion of alternative medicine and the driving force behind the OAM."

In that light, please remember to implore him politely to KEEP up the good work on supplements, and not throw out the supplement baby with the DHEA bath...
Please check up the prior posts and see what they say about 'herbs, amino acids, vitamins'...

Cheers!

23 posted on 12/22/2004 6:00:14 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: neverdem; cyborg
Thanks for pinging your health and science list, neverdem. That sounds like Hillary Care.

Right you are, cyborg. Americans certainly don't deserve to be any healthier than people living in mud huts. By all means, let's "standardize" nutrition worldwide so Hitlery can feel virtuous.

24 posted on 12/22/2004 8:01:52 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: FreeMarket1
Could allow a product to be banned following the submission of just a single isolated “adverse event”.

Let's ban Prozac, too. There have been many adverse events. Ohh, I forgot, Prozac benefits politically connected drug companies, while unregulated supplements are a threat to them.

While we're at it, we'd better add water to the list, too. Water poisoning sometimes afflicts overzealous exercisers who drink too much of the suspicious stuff.

25 posted on 12/22/2004 8:47:09 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: Veto!
Thanks -- that's the article I read on it earlier in the week. So..... what do we do? Perhaps find a way to arrange for hearings in congress where we can enlighten them on the necessity of supplements?

I have a question that came to me last night -- these "steroids" they are screaming about baseball players using... are they talking DHEA? Personally I consider DHEA a good thing if used correctly. I work for a MD and he became interested in DHEA and started at his own expense running DHEA tests in blood tests for his elderly patients -- what he found was the sicker the patients were the lower their DHEA levels are... I could tell you so many stories of health-restored from correct use of supplements instead of drugs... but, everything aside this control over our lives by the WTO and big business is getting REALLY old!!!!

26 posted on 12/22/2004 12:36:47 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
he found was the sicker the patients were the lower their DHEA levels are...

Are you taking it? How much? A chiropractor friend suggested it to me, gave me the number of a testing outfit butI never followed up. And no, I don't think that's what athletes take, but I could be wrong. I think they get special designer steroids.

I could tell you so many stories of health-restored from correct use of supplements instead of drugs...

Yes indeed. A great diet and mega-supplements always work for me and mine. When he was 7, my son was always sick, finally ended up in the hospital for a week for testing, but they discovered nothing. Meanwhile I read a book by Adele Davis, famous nutritionist of her day. Her chapter on Vitamin C sounded just like my son, so I brought him home, gave him mega-doses, and his condition cleared up and stays cleared up as long as he takes his supplements. So easy!

. but, everything aside this control over our lives by the WTO and big business is getting REALLY old!!!!

It's extremely frightening. Maybe we can find organizations that are fighting Codex Alimentarium and lend our support.

27 posted on 12/22/2004 12:49:44 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: neverdem
Add me... by the way in addition to my own health; supplement restored my mothers' health back in the 70's. She suffered from Chronic Serum Hepatitis caused by a blood transfusion and the doctors had given up and said she was going to die -- they took her off all drugs since they weren't working.

At the time Adele Davis was the only "expert" out there and Rodale Press was really getting a foothold -- from Davis's book Lets Get Well we followed the instructions for the liver (not cheap even back then) and she actually started to improve.

Her improvement had the doctors scratching their heads and finally she fessed up to what she was doing -- the doctor laughed and laughed and then said it "couldn't hurt" anything but he knew if the drugs didn't work vitamins certainly weren't going to do any good -- finally she was feeling so well that he put her back into the hospital -- did a new liver biopsy -- and then came into her room and asked her what book she read because he wanted to read it himself -- her liver had totally regenerated itself. That was back in the 70's. Today my mother is in her mid-70's and manages a very busy real estate office in California.

That is only one of several stories... there is our dog we kept from having major surgery on both hips by giving her the correct supplements while they stabilized her for surgery... today, 18 months later, she is painfree and still surgery-free.. she received a Boswella capsule each day for her joints... which, by the way, Boswella is a natural substance that is a safe alternative to Vioxx, Celebrex, Aleve (all on the list of NSAIDS that may cause heart problems).. so, no the drug companies don't want us to have access to these things, might make them unnecessary!

Oh, yes, I heard yesterday that Aleve is made by Bayer (one of the three German offshoot companies from WWII)...

28 posted on 12/22/2004 12:53:22 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FreeMarket1; hobbes1

Dang. And I thought the opprossevive nanny state thing was atleast domestically inspired.


29 posted on 12/22/2004 12:58:27 PM PST by NeoCaveman (If you can't be a good example, atleast be a billboard of what not to do)
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To: Veto!
It's a good idea to have your level determined before taking the supplement... take for 3 weeks and off a week and after three months of the supplements have your levels checked again. Women seem to hold the levels better than men for some reason. It is a hormone (one of the mother hormones). I have taken it, but I never take it for more than a few months at a time before giving it a rest.

Right now we have a dog with CUshings SYndrome and she is getting DHEA as part of her nutritional regimine ( sometimes it seems I spend more on supplements for my dogs than my husband and myself)...

It's interesting if you set your supplement according to blood test results you can with time restore your body to balance... we've been doing this with my husband who actually suffered from too low cholesterol (89) and I found on Dr. Mercola's site that this is actually a problem brought on from the "Low Fat Diet Craze" and there was a specific supplement he recommended that worked to get rid of the "sludge." We ordered it (not cheap -- and not from Mercola) and sure enough took about 6 months to see complete turn-around but it worked along with tweaking a few other things.

What's too bad is that more doctors don't work with your blood work and the patient to restore health rather than mask poor health -- but then I remember -- if they "cure" you they lose a patient (no offense to doctors on Free Republic) same with vets and our dogs.

30 posted on 12/22/2004 1:01:10 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
if they "cure" you they lose a patient

The worst example I ever saw: I was married to a man I absolutely loved. He was a diabetic, saw his doctor monthly and followed his diabetic diet to the letter. Trouble was, he poured in a quart of vodka daily too and became a seriously nasty alcoholic. I made an appointment to see his doctor who affirmed, surprise surprise, that alcohol was terrible for a diabetic. "Will you help me get him off it?" "No, I'd lose him as a patient."

I like Dr. Mercola too and consider his advice the best on the Net.

Thanks for the info on DHEA. Interesting about your dog . My grrrrrrrrl's blood tests reveal a similar conditionn creeping up on her. May I ask how much DHEA per pound you give your dog?

I discovered pregnenolone, a pre-hormonal substance, tried it out, and got excellent results. Very energy enhancing. It is, however, the one thing my doc, thankfully very hip to nutrition, wants to keep an eye on and test for from time to time. I've run the rest of my program past him and he likes it. A couple of years ago, he had to put me on a weeklong course of steroids for very inflamed ground hornet bites. Was that ever fun! I was leaping tall buildings and can readily see why athletes use them. They make you feel 100% stronger and give you incredible endurance. My daughter and her friend had come to the big city to shop with me that weekend and I ran both of them into the ground. I only wish I could maintian my Mom on Steroids status. LOL

31 posted on 12/22/2004 1:35:50 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!
We took a 25mg tablet and split it into 1/4 pieces and she is getting one a day. She weighs 24 pounds. All the information I found indicated that for the Cushings it was helpful in low dosage. She is getting PS (phosphatidyl-serine) adrenal cleanse, greens plus, COQ10, Transfer Factor, fish oil in the a.m. and flax seed oil and ricotta cheese in the p.m. and 6mg of melatonin at bedtime.... and, of course, lysodren (now on maintenance dose)... doing very well (knock on wood) and boswella for her hips.

Flaky skin is no longer flaking, hair is growing back and she's lost 2 1/2 inches off her waistline.

32 posted on 12/22/2004 8:21:36 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: dubyaismypresident
Are you surprised ???? that fuc@ing communist Durbin has been at this for years...though I bet there is a hidden money trail somewhere, since Dick....bag...is also a proponent of pharm.drug bene. legislation.
33 posted on 12/22/2004 8:45:48 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1

The only thing I'm slightly suprised is the whole NWO angle. Of course the first rule of the NWO is no one talks about the NWO.


34 posted on 12/22/2004 8:49:19 PM PST by NeoCaveman (If you can't be a good example, atleast be a billboard of what not to do)
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To: Veto!

"As far as I'm concerned the DEA can stick to monitoring supplement manufacturing facilities for cleanliness. They don't even do that very well."

Many makers of supplements have facilities superior to those of the big, expensive drug manufacturers.

I hope that this can be beaten back. If not many of us are in grave trouble unless we can get out of the country to purchase what we need.


35 posted on 12/23/2004 9:54:10 AM PST by Spirited
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I hope that this can be beaten back. If not many of us are in grave trouble unless we can get out of the country to purchase what we need.

Where will you go? This is a UN project to be applied to every country in the world. Germany and Norway have already caved. Most countries represented at WHO have caved except the UK and USA. If our country caves, we'll have to set up sub rosa manufacturing in our basements and make our own vitamins. Sort of like bathtub gin during Prohibition.

36 posted on 12/23/2004 10:29:58 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Rightfootforward

Read on through the thread and click the link at my post #16. Whenever you have surfing time, google Codex Alimentarium from time to time for updates, which are hard to come by as this commie UN subagency operates on the sly.


37 posted on 12/24/2004 2:18:16 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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