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What Happened To The Rare Tribes (Tsunami)
Times Of India ^ | 12-28-2004 | Sanjay Dutta/Chandrika Mago

Posted on 12/28/2004 6:34:30 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 12/28/2004 6:34:30 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Shermy
GGG Ping.

This post is compliments of Shermy.

2 posted on 12/28/2004 6:35:23 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Well, I guess anthropologist have records of these tribes. Now it is time to find the survivors and see if they want to join the rest of the world.


3 posted on 12/28/2004 6:39:58 PM PST by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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To: blam

Fascinating. And sad. Thanks for the information.


4 posted on 12/28/2004 6:40:15 PM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
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5 posted on 12/28/2004 6:41:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: blam

Amazing. I've learned more about the countries in Asia this week than my mind can absorb. I've had a rather provincial view of the southern hemisphere til now. A little while ago I was surfing and caught some of Anderson Cooper on CNN- it was a good show. He interviewed the father of a young man who was visiting a tiny obscure island off Thailand...can't even remember the name of it. He hasn't heard from his son, so he's flying over there and taking a boat (God knows how he'll find one) out to the island to search for his son. I'd no idea so many westerners visited that part of the world...

Prayers to the suffering..


6 posted on 12/28/2004 6:42:02 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: SE Mom

I had no idea, either. When I think about a tropical vacation, I think about the Carribbean. I had no idea so many people vacationed in Southeast Asia.


7 posted on 12/28/2004 6:45:03 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: SE Mom
I've learned more about the countries in Asia this week

We know the cities in Iraq and Afghanistan from recent events, and now some of the islands in the Indian Ocean. That is how Westerners learn geography, war and disasters.

8 posted on 12/28/2004 6:46:35 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: SE Mom

I do a lot of wargaming and a couple years ago I was a player in a game involving a good 20 people that was played by e-mail simulating the naval war between the French and British around India during the American Revolution; when we had a battle we'd fight it out in person using miniature ships.

We spent a great deal of time capturing and recapturing Galle, Batticaloa in Sri Lanka, Madras India, etc. from each other. Sort of weird seeing those names pop up in the news.

I'd read some articles regarding the tribes of the Andaman Islands a couple years ago. Really fascinating. They seem quite close to the San Bushmen of Southern Africa in appearance.


9 posted on 12/28/2004 6:47:41 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: blam

Tourists, locals or rare tribes....... just plain sad and painful.


10 posted on 12/28/2004 6:49:14 PM PST by umgud
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To: Miss Marple

next winter, the carribbean and south florida will be loaded with euros on vacation.


11 posted on 12/28/2004 6:50:36 PM PST by oceanview
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To: blam

very interesting, maybe this will convince them that there is definate advantages to joining the modern world (like Tsunami detection grids).


12 posted on 12/28/2004 6:51:15 PM PST by Ksnavely
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To: Strategerist
"They seem quite close to the San Bushmen of Southern Africa in appearance."

I agree.
The San Bushmen have Mongoloid Spots. I wonder if the Andaman tribes do?

13 posted on 12/28/2004 6:52:45 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Could I be put on your "Gods..." ping list? Thank you.


14 posted on 12/28/2004 6:53:01 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Atheist against Chrsitian-bashing)
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To: oceanview

I doubt it; there's no sex trade in small boys there...


15 posted on 12/28/2004 7:00:49 PM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: eccentric
Now it is time to find the survivors and see if they want to join the rest of the world.

What, and ruin the private playground of these Anthropologists? /sarcasm

Most of these tribes have more contact than the naive anthropologist think, and have learned to avoid strangers because they end up being victims one way or another. And some tribes in the Amazon have been playing the antropologists for years.

No one ever seems to question the ethics of these anthropologists for working with governments to keep these "pet" humans for their private study, watching them die of easily preventable diseases, while refusing to offer help for fear of "contaminating" the population.

16 posted on 12/28/2004 7:05:51 PM PST by konaice
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To: blam

I'm not gonna weep for the inhabitants of the Nicobar islands - there have been some sad stories about Western tourists going there and not coming back. Some areas have always been sealed off.

Why?

Because they are cannibals. Real ones.


17 posted on 12/28/2004 7:08:39 PM PST by Kitten Festival (The Thug of Caracas has got to go.)
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To: Miss Marple

The eurotrash's great secret.

I vacationed there too but I always preferred the company of charming friendly easygoing Aussies on Bali to unsmiling German eurotrash package tourists on Phuket. Just my taste, I guess.


18 posted on 12/28/2004 7:11:18 PM PST by Kitten Festival (The Thug of Caracas has got to go.)
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To: RightWhale

It's a big world. I know far more than the average American about world geography/history - as, I suspect, do most Freepers. I still don't know a tenth of it.


19 posted on 12/28/2004 7:11:26 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: Strategerist

They're cannibals. The pot-boiling kind. Good riddance.


20 posted on 12/28/2004 7:13:03 PM PST by Kitten Festival (The Thug of Caracas has got to go.)
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To: SE Mom

Asians in general are very cool people - all of them, in all the glory of their differences, whether sino asians, malay asians or indian asians. I love them all.

They're never supercilious, always interested, wonderfully exotic and couldn't be less like annoying eurotrash.


21 posted on 12/28/2004 7:14:39 PM PST by Kitten Festival (The Thug of Caracas has got to go.)
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To: blam
Thank you for the post. Half a world away, it is tough to absorb all of the implications from this catastrophe.

Once again, we are a very changed world.

22 posted on 12/28/2004 7:19:06 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: Miss Marple

German Tourism Companies have been very agressive over the last 20 years in setting up/building destinations in CHEAP, yet beautiful places.


23 posted on 12/28/2004 7:19:58 PM PST by jungleboy
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To: derheimwill
I still don't know a tenth of it.

Thanks to Web browsers and the eagerness of FReepers to help, we can view an amazingly detailed topical map of anyplace where something is happening, and not just on earth. Our world already includes Mars and the moon will be coming on line soon. Not to mention Hubble views and maps of the entire visible universe all the way out. We know the geography of Kashmir and the wild back country of Pakistan or anywhere OBL is sighted next better than most know the geography of their next county, except for those who actually live in Kashmir or Pakistan.

24 posted on 12/28/2004 7:20:56 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: blam

This most certainly falls perfectly inline with the prophecy of the end times to have "Earthquakes in DIVERSE places"


25 posted on 12/28/2004 7:24:02 PM PST by diverteach (signs of the times. whatcha gonna do... \o/)
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To: diverteach
This most certainly falls perfectly inline with the prophecy of the end times to have "Earthquakes in DIVERSE places"

Problem is the evidence is that there have been earthquakes in "Divers places" for the entire 4 billion year history of the planet.

26 posted on 12/28/2004 7:25:52 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: blam

I'm a geography buff; these lands have always been my "fantasy" islands: the Andamans and Nicobars, the Maldives, Seychelles, etc. Much of their charm is their unfamiliarity to westerners. Not anymore.

Sadly, I've never been to any of them. It was just nice knowing that exotic, mysterious places like these still existed.

Lay off the cannibals.


27 posted on 12/28/2004 7:26:25 PM PST by Jhensy
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To: Kitten Festival

The last cannibals were converted to Christianity in the 70's. There's a saying: the whore is closer to God than the theologian.


28 posted on 12/28/2004 7:34:22 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: Kitten Festival
True story ~ found this one in a comprehensive history of postal services of the world.

Back in the old days there was a regular mail service between the King of England and his "interests" in Nederland.

A small sailboat was used since there really wasn't all that much mail involved. The fellows on the Nederland shore at Middelburg, which was then an island, set up a watch every day to catch sight of the mailboat. It was very important that they do this before the folks in the surrounding swamps did so because they would not only kill and rob the crew of the mail boat, they had been known to eat them!

To assist them they had a small 3 power telescope.

Galileo mentioned that he'd gotten the idea from someone in Middelburg.

It is presumed the telescope had been invented there for a very practical purpose. Watching for the mail from the King of England may well have been that reason, and the cannibalism rampant in the fens!

Remember, the Euros are only a few hundred years "ahead" of the primitive fuzzy-wuzzies out on those islands, and sometimes not even that.

29 posted on 12/28/2004 7:41:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: fire_eye

"I doubt it; there's no sex trade in small boys there..."

Haven't been in Hati lately, eh?


30 posted on 12/28/2004 7:41:49 PM PST by GladesGuru
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To: SE Mom
Some years ago, I sold some specialty petroleum via tanker to a company doing business in Balikpapan, Indonesia. The government wanted a 100 percent of value bribe before they allowed the product to be transferred.
31 posted on 12/28/2004 7:43:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Strategerist
These places aren't particularly "divers" either ~ earthquakes and volcanic explosions along the Strait of Sunda have served to bring civilization to the brink of destruction several times.

Be happy this big quake happened at the Western end of Sumatra, and not the Eastern end. That's where Krakatoa is located! One explosion possibly brought about the Dark Ages in 538 AD.

32 posted on 12/28/2004 7:43:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: derheimwill
Cannibalism continues to this day in some parts of the Congo. Perpetually famished North Koreans sometimes eat their own dead for sustenance. And I believe that there remain some cannibals in very remote highlands on the island of New Guinea, but they may have converted in the past decade or so. Most cannibals today, insofar as I can tell, only eat the corpses of the deceased as an alternative to burial; they do not kill people for the purpose of eating them.

But the people mentioned in this article are almost certainly NOT cannibals. Cannibalism is fairly rare in part because consumption of infected flesh presents and easy conduit for the transfer of disease. A cannibalistic tribe in Indonesia was dying rapidly in the past century because of a rogue prion (Crutzefelt-Jacob disease?) transferred by consumption of infected flesh.
33 posted on 12/28/2004 7:46:13 PM PST by dufekin (Four more years! Liberals, learn: whiners are losers every time.)
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To: konaice
No one ever seems to question the ethics of these anthropologists for working with governments to keep these "pet" humans for their private study, watching them die of easily preventable diseases, while refusing to offer help for fear of "contaminating" the population.

Can't violate The Prime Directive, you know.

Just because that star is going to go nova is no excuse to do any more than watch the non-warp capable autochthons be wiped out, rather than contaminate their "primitive" culture.

34 posted on 12/28/2004 7:48:48 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: blam; Kitten Festival; SunkenCiv
Head Hunting Cannibals: The Facts
Alongside the perfectly accurate image of swimming elephants, another rather less correct assumption about the Andaman Islands has become part of popular folklore: don’t set foot on any of the more remote islands or your crew will be massacred and eaten by headhunting natives.

Or, as a collection of Arab notes dating from 851 puts it, "The inhabitants of these islands eat men alive. They go naked and have no boats. If they had, they would devour all who passed near them. Sometimes ships that are windbound and have exhausted their provision of water, touch here and apply to the natives for it; in such cases the crews sometimes fall into the hands of the latter and most of them are massacred."

This view was to persist amongst mariners for the next 1,000 years or so until very recently, despite the fact that the Andamanese have always insisted that they have never been cannibals. In fact, as is often the case with most indigenous tribal communities around the world, the natives have much more to fear from interlopers than vice versa. Despite the best efforts of the Indian government to help preserve their culture, the Onge, Sentinelese and Jarawa, who are of Negroid descent and live on the Andamans; and the Shompen and Nicobarese, who are of Mongoloid descent and live on the Nicobar Islands, are on the verge of extinction and are vastly outnumber by the immigrant Indian population. Visiting the tribal areas on Little Andaman Island, Strait Island, and the western coast of South and Middle Andaman is strictly prohibited to tourists.

The modern myth of the headhunters can be attributed to one tiny island in the chain: North Sentinal, which lies 29 kilometres off the west coast of South Andaman. The Sentinalese are one of the last remaining Stone Age tribes on earth and virtually nothing is known about them. The Indian government has attempted to make contact on several occasions before being driven from the beach by primitive spears and arrows. Needless to say, North Sentinal is to be avoided at all costs and boats should not attempt to approach it – apart from being completely illegal, it could be a potentially fatal experience. However, sailors can be confident of a friendlier welcome elsewhere in the archipelago.


Other info points to the likelyhood in centuries past, of Malay pirates perpetuating the cannibal stories to keep people away.
35 posted on 12/28/2004 7:51:03 PM PST by visualops (It's easier to build a child than repair an adult.)
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To: SE Mom
I'd no idea so many westerners visited that part of the world...

That has surprised me as well.

36 posted on 12/28/2004 7:51:07 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: dufekin
Cannibalism continues to this day in some parts of the Congo.

Thank you for the correction. I was only thinking of the south seas.

37 posted on 12/28/2004 7:51:49 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: konaice
Most of these tribes have more contact than the naive anthropologist think

I don't recall the exact details now, but a few decades ago I read a hilarious article about how anthropologists visited a primitive remote tribe somewhere, and were studying their culture, when the tribe leader asked them if they'd like to hear one of their traditional songs passed down through generations. The anthropologists said, "sure", and turned on their tape recorders as the tribe gathered for the performance. The anthropologists about fell over in surprise when the tribe launched into a four-part harmony version of some old classical music piece from the West. It was something like the "Hallelujah Chorus" from Handel's "Messiah", if I recall correctly.

Apparently a century or so ago, some traveling missionary had passed through and taught it to them.

38 posted on 12/28/2004 7:58:33 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: visualops
the Andamanese have always insisted that they have never been cannibals.

There are Amerindian tribes that swear the same thing...but studies of their ancestor's cooking pots put the lie to that. Of course, it is VERY un-PC to point that out.

39 posted on 12/28/2004 7:59:50 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: blam

Very sad. Hadn't thought of rare tribes being wiped out.
Did wonder about the monitor lizards in Sumatra/Borneo.


40 posted on 12/28/2004 8:01:20 PM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: oceanview

This winter they are all here on Maui. I can tell by the traffic in front of my house.


41 posted on 12/28/2004 8:07:56 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: blam

Bump


42 posted on 12/28/2004 8:08:03 PM PST by Darnright
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To: WestTexasWend

Smarta$$;)


43 posted on 12/28/2004 8:08:19 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
If you are referring to the cooking pots in Arizona, those were owned by the Aztecs who had moved up to the area. They were cooking the ancestors ~ they weren't the ancestors themselves!

Aztec cannibalism was not unknown.

44 posted on 12/28/2004 8:08:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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Thank goodness the dinosaurs are gone!!


45 posted on 12/28/2004 8:09:40 PM PST by It's me
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To: blam

Has anyone seen any reports from Bangladesh. I'm getting a bit worried as the country cold be devastated for many miles inland by a tsunami.


46 posted on 12/28/2004 8:11:14 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby!)
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To: muawiyah

I was once banned from a school for pointing out Aztec "peculiarities."


47 posted on 12/28/2004 8:12:42 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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To: All

60K+ people have died, and they are worried about a handful of stone aged cannibals?


48 posted on 12/28/2004 8:13:06 PM PST by Blast_Master
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To: derheimwill

Let's hope that you didn't "point out" those peculiarities in a live demonstration in front of the class. Such events are frowned on!


49 posted on 12/28/2004 8:15:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Unfortunately, no.


50 posted on 12/28/2004 8:16:50 PM PST by derheimwill (Love is a person, not an emotion.)
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