WA Gov. Race: Rossi Calls on Gregoire to Support Revote [FReeper activism required]

Washington State Republican Party | 29 December 2004 | Chris Vance

[lonevoice]

Let 'em hear from you:

crouse_la@leg.wa.gov
schindle_ly@leg.wa.gov
mccaslin_bo@leg.wa.gov

[rockrr]

HardStarboard's analogy was inelegant, but much more apt than yours.

You say that it would be better to have more people vote for our guy than they would have vote for theirs (well duh!), and then have a margin for fraud. While this might be an interesting tactic to use for a future election, it does nothing to address the fraud that is occurring now! (BTW: Even if we accepted your premise, what stops the 'rats from padding their vote totals to overcome your vote totals?)

HardStarboard's analogy suggests that, in the midst of a theft, instead of confronting the thief you recommend a passive "We should work harder to do better next time" approach.

What we have on our plates right now is what we have to deal with. Sure we'll learn from the mistakes that were made, and the tactics that were employed, but why shouldn't we avail ourselves of the courts when we've been ripped off?

IMO Rossi made a classic PR move in inviting Da Grinch to play fair (she declined). IF he hadn't offered, she wouldn't have been put on the spot that makes her look small. If all he had done was to make the pitch, he would have come off looking like the wuss some here have claimed. Instead, he did a one-two punch that was the only reasonable thing to do - make an offer to do the right thing, while simultaneously setting in motion the legal protest.

I'm surprised that more here at FreeRepublic can't read the strategies being played.....

[USNBandit]

What would you have said in 2000 if Gore asked for a revote in Florida?.........

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Dino WON this race - twice. He only "lost" a corrupted, inaccurate hand recount, after liberal King County "found" additional ballots NINE TIMES. Over 500 people in one precinct were listed as having the same address - and that precinct went Gregoire in a landslide.

You can't compare Dino to Gore. Dino WON.

[USNBandit]

I don't know where you get the impression I think Rossi received a minority of legal votes. I am just as sure as you that he got robbed. Where I disagree is the remedy.

Okay, you want a revote. Let's say the next result is back to 42 votes for Rossi. Do we get another revote for that? When does it all end? If Rossi can ask for a revote why couldn't Gore ask for a revote in Florida based on stupid democratic voters and the supposed "butterfly" ballot.

Revotes won't cure fraud. Tightening the voting laws will. In the last 10-15 years we have allowed the democrats to loosen voter laws to the point we don't know who is voting or how often. Motor Voter, voter registration through third parties, absentee ballots handled by political parties, no requirements for i.d. at polling places, provisional ballots. These are all the open doors to fraud which I am 99% sure none of the members of this board have ever had to use. If you want to fix fraud, then fix it. If you want to see endless elections year round start revoting.

[HardStarboard]

>>>HardStarboard's analogy was inelegant, but much more apt than yours. <<<

Rockrr, I will grant you two things: 1) yes, my analogy was inelegant and 2) your elegance with words captures perfectly what I intended to imply but didn't take the time.

Thanks

My impression of things as they stand now is that Rossi has offered Gregoire ("Fraudoire" is my preferred appellation), the shoplifter, a chance to put the stolen goods down and exit the store and return as an honest shopper. The shoplifter has refused and thus Rossi has every right to pursue justice. We'll find out on Jan. 22nd what weapon he elects to use.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Okay, you want a revote. Let's say the next result is back to 42 votes for Rossi. Do we get another revote for that?

You don't live in Washington, so I don't know who you mean by "we".

Maybe you don't understand. Right now, the result is so tarnished, so flawed, so corrupted, that the ONLY remedy would be to start from scratch.

You're just plain wrong.

[USNBandit]

Okay, you're right, I'm wrong. You folks don't want to hear from me. Solve it your own way. Revote all you want, but please put it in your state laws and don't drag it into federal court. The last thing the rest of the country needs is legal precedence set for revoting every election from now until eternity.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

No, I guess maybe we don't want to hear from people out of state who don't give a rat's ass that ballots were pemanently altered, White Out was used to turn overvotes into Gregoire votes, military voters were screwed, over 500 "voters" were registered to one building in one precinct that went for Gregoire - I could go on.

We should really just roll over, for the sake of the country. That makes sense.

[USNBandit]

So when you revote, are you going to fix any of your ballot handling problems? Sounds like your election laws either need to be rewritten or they weren't followed in the first place.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

They were changed mid-process to benefit Gregoire.

I'm not saying those things don't need to be changed - they do. I am saying that walking away from this fight would be the wrong decision. Most Washington Freepers agree with me, because we are here and have witnessed everything that has happened. We can't let them just HAVE this without a fight.

We know that one corrupt county, run by extreme liberals, is in control of the whole state - and they stole the election for their candidate. We don't want to send a message that we're all right with that.

[USNBandit]

Right, and I am not saying to walk away either. I think it would be better to have the courts look at those ballots and throw them out.

Peace, sister.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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Just like the Florida of 2000...

all Military Votes must be counted...

in the Washington of 2004.


.."For after all,

they're the ones out there...

risking their lives...

for that Right"..


...stated "ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer in a KNBC-TV Channel 4 Interview at Freerepublic.com's 'Sore-Loserman/Count the Military Votes' Demonstration held outside the Los Angeles Federal Bldg during November 2000.


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[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Peace...(this sucks, actually).

[sefarkas]

Will someone explain why it is so important for Rossi to be governor here and now? The re-voters here make me shudder as much as Gore et. al., did in 2000. The political system is such that no one person can do much damage/good during a single term. There is another election in 4 years, there is your re-vote. WA Republicans need to figure out a way to win by a good margin like G in NYC did after his first defeat. I just assume let the Rat wear the illegitimate-badge for a few years.

[steve86]

Most of them are afraid of new taxes with a dem gov and state legislature. Of course, the present Governor is dem as well, but Locke at times has acted more like a fiscal conservative than some Republicans.

[steve86]

Years ago I got on a demo mailing list because I agreed with someone on one issue -- a land conservation thing. Anyway, I used to read some of the messages and they were constantly talking about a state income tax. I think they temporarily dropped the idea while Locke was in office. It would surprise me if the idea doesn't return at the highest level.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

No, I don't think so - some of that stuff is probably true, but I think the greater issue is that none of us want to accept such an obviously corrupted result. That's my biggest issue, anyway. We don't have to take this, and we shouldn't.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

It's not as important for Rossi to be governor here and now as it is important for us to know the true will of the people, and the Democrats have corrupted the result. King County bungled this badly (we have witnessed what I believe to be blatant cheating), and things across the state have not been handled in an even-handed way. It's not fair to Dino, but more importantly, it's not fair to those who voted for him.

Re-vote. It's the only solution, at this point.