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ACLU Inauguration Fiasco
Personal | 1/14/05 | Hubert D. Rabon

Posted on 01/14/2005 5:57:02 AM PST by hdrabon

The ACLU's "constitutional" lawsuit with this Tuesday's Presidential Inauguration is a three-way taxpayer hit:

1. By act of Congress, the ACLU is allowed to bill (likely at the highest rate possible) the government/taxpayers for the costs of bringing the suit, and automatically is paid, regardless of the suits' outcome.

2. By operation, the cost of defending against the suit is charged to the taxpayers, again, likely at the highest rate.

3. By function, the cost of hearing and adjudicating the suit is at taxpayer expense.

Of course, it was members of the legal industry, Congress's largest and only functional built-in lobby, who made the law!

Our imperial legal industry -- Minor risk and guaranteed high return. The setup against liberty is becomming more and more clear.

Hubert D. Rabon


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1 posted on 01/14/2005 5:57:03 AM PST by hdrabon
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To: hdrabon

Should have been dismissed as soon as it was filed. Frivolous.


2 posted on 01/14/2005 6:00:38 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: hdrabon

Its time to put brakes on these sharks.


3 posted on 01/14/2005 6:01:09 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: hdrabon

American
Communists (and)
Liberals
Union

Needs to go away.


4 posted on 01/14/2005 6:01:12 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: hdrabon

I'm curious as to what percentage of all annual lawsuits are filed by W/OACLU!


5 posted on 01/14/2005 6:02:10 AM PST by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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To: HMFIC

Write your congressman and have them take the law off the books that allows the ACLU to collect taxpayer money for these lawsuits.


6 posted on 01/14/2005 6:03:47 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: mlc9852

Yeah, it will be a cold day when someone of consequence and appropriate legal ability files a Rule 11 against the ACLU for not doing due diligence and filing a frivolous lawsuit. To do so would open a can of sabre-tooth worms for the imperial legal industry. HDR


7 posted on 01/14/2005 6:05:16 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: An Old Marine

OK, then lets talk about finding out-of-the-box ways of starving the legal industry's cash cows, and returning the legislative and judicial branches of our government to the people! -- HDR


8 posted on 01/14/2005 6:06:59 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: HMFIC

Anti Citizen Lawsuit Union -- HDR


9 posted on 01/14/2005 6:07:34 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: 100%FEDUP

Since the legal industry controls Congress, and Congress gives the money for research such as this, it isn't likely that we will ever get to know under the current anti-citizen environment engendered by the legal industry. -- HDR


10 posted on 01/14/2005 6:09:25 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Piquaboy

Right -- But pick a Congressperson who IS NOT an attorney by trade, or someone not in attorneys' pockets.


11 posted on 01/14/2005 6:10:23 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: hdrabon

BINGO!

We're gonna have to ditch the entire lot as defective items and start over. Rule #1: One CANNOT hold office IF THE ARE or EVER HAVE BEEN a stinking land shark!


12 posted on 01/14/2005 6:11:31 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: hdrabon

Gee! that would really make it hard. Most of those people are lawyers.


13 posted on 01/14/2005 6:14:41 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: HMFIC

Obviously -- The problem is, though, that most citizens are not aware of the Antitrust nature of the legal industry. Most of us never have to go to court and learn the hard way the justice is not the first order of business for our local courts. The first order of business is the growth and perpetuation of the local legal industry.

If the media were not so set or avaoiding these issues, or were not afraid of the legal industry. . . . -- HDR


14 posted on 01/14/2005 6:15:05 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: mlc9852

Not only that, but they should have been fined.


15 posted on 01/14/2005 6:15:18 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: hdrabon

good post.


16 posted on 01/14/2005 6:16:34 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: Piquaboy

Yep -- We get what we pay for, especially when we choose to be ignorant, sleepy, and naive. The War on Terror requires diligence on all fronts. We are dealing with an industry that is an internal threat, and that thrives on our divisions (Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Black/White/Hispanic).

But you certainly have the idea of what is actually going-on behind on the more obvious problems in our country. -- HDR


17 posted on 01/14/2005 6:17:41 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

That's what a Rule 11 would do, but bringing something like this into the mix (as well as any civil-suit mix where a Rule 11 is clearly justifiable), would begin to expose the realities of the industry. To much risk, not enough benefit. -- HDR


18 posted on 01/14/2005 6:19:27 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Blessings,

HDR


19 posted on 01/14/2005 6:19:57 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: hdrabon

ACLU - Anti Christian Liberties Union.


20 posted on 01/14/2005 6:20:14 AM PST by Living_the_life_of_Dilbert
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To: hdrabon

"someone of consequence and appropriate legal ability files a Rule 11 against the ACLU"


Would you please elaborate? This is of great interest....


21 posted on 01/14/2005 6:20:56 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly DEMAND the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts!)
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To: Living_the_life_of_Dilbert

I think I remember Jimmy Swaggart using THAT one! HDR


22 posted on 01/14/2005 6:21:25 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Piquaboy

EXACTLY. Here's a GREAT place to e-mail them and tell them to STOP THIS INSANITY!

www.visi.com/juan/congress/


23 posted on 01/14/2005 6:21:32 AM PST by Jazzman1
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To: Blurblogger

An ethical lawyer?

Actually, I THINK the defense "counsel" has to file the Rule 11. Regardless, it probably ain't goin' to happen.

I'm certainly not an attorney, but I have spent the last three years of my life studying the legal industry.

HDR


24 posted on 01/14/2005 6:24:09 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Blurblogger

I meant my reply to you to begin, "An ethical lawyer, PERHAPS?" This, of course, would be followed by much gasping and laughter.

hubert


25 posted on 01/14/2005 6:25:56 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: hdrabon
Legal acknowledgement of the existence of God is the most fundamental tenet of American law:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident

that all men are CREATED equal,

that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights..."

The most basic and fundamental statement of American law is that men are CREATED. The clause that follows it identifies Him Who CREATED us as the CREATOR.

The recognition and legal acknowledgement of the CREATOR precedes and supercedes all else--even equality and human rights.

26 posted on 01/14/2005 6:29:29 AM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: Piquaboy

"Dear Barbara Boxer ...." (MY Congressman).


27 posted on 01/14/2005 6:29:54 AM PST by bboop
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To: hdrabon
How many Congressmen or Senators are not lawyers? My impression is that most members of both houses are lawyers.
28 posted on 01/14/2005 6:30:32 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: mlc9852

Time for rule 11 sanctions!


29 posted on 01/14/2005 6:30:52 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: hdrabon; OldMarine; HMFIC; 100%FEDUP; Blurblogger; Jazzman1

Under the aegis of its Foundation, the ACLU could get away with financial murder. Within that structure all kinds of financial misdeeds can be hidden.

For example, it would be interesting to know what kind of financial activities officers of publicly-traded corporations engaged in and whether their donations to the ACLU were properly accounted for on company financial statements, whether shareholders were duly notified of corporate ACLU donations, whether the donations were made from corporate funds in the names of private individuals, and whether the ACLU itself properly accounted for these donations when filing official statements.

If the ACLU rigged its federal and state funding statements in collusion with officers of publicly-held companies who filed false financial instruments, that would be considered aiding and abetting the commission of federal and state crimes.

Employing fraudulent accounting practices in order to cover-up corporate wrongdoing would have jeopardized the financial interests of stockholders, corporate associates and partners, which would compel the SEC to step in.

If you're a shareholder confronted with this problem, you can contact the SEC here: enforcement@sec.gov


Furthermore, as part of the Tax Exempt Compensation Enforcement Project, the IRS intends to examine non-profit organizations (NPO), to learn more about the practices nonprofits follow as they fill out Form 990, the main public disclosure documents for charities and foundations, and whether accounting fraud and tax evasion is taking place, and whether the compensation of specific individuals is excessive and, and whether instances of questionable compensation practices may evade IRS, banking and SEC laws.

The IRS will examine NPO insider transactions, such as (1) loans, the (2) sale, (3) exchange or (4) leasing of property to non-profit officers and others. In particular, the IRS will look to see how organizations report (5) "excess benefit transactions" on Form 990, and (6) executive pay.

The IRS could determine whether the ACLU----through its Foundation----is properly accounting for all of its activities including tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether the ACLU is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. Form 990, the main public disclosure documents for NPO's, including charities and foundations, could determine whether accounting fraud and tax evasion is taking place, and whether the compensation of specific ACLU individuals is excessive and, and whether instances of questionable ACLU compensation practices may evade the IRS, and US banking laws.

We need to know whether the ACLU might be engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices using tax dollars for personal expenses, for example, and whether the ACLU is cooking the books.


30 posted on 01/14/2005 6:32:16 AM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: longtermmemmory
Absolutely - and maybe if that's done enough, Mr. Newdow could be disbarred!
31 posted on 01/14/2005 6:33:19 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Savage Beast

Yes, keeping the LEGAL issue God and government at the forefront of all our minds and hearts, while slipping its hands on our crotches is certainly a legal industry specialty. Please pardon my frankness -- HDR


32 posted on 01/14/2005 6:37:03 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Thus, the Antitrust problem facing America by the industry entrusted with the care and proper operation of another branch of government, the judicial.

With this monopoly, separation of powers means whatever the legal industry wishes it to mean. It is what is, is. . . . HDR


33 posted on 01/14/2005 6:39:20 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

These looser gets paid suits are a product of unfunded mandates. In essence the congress is creating an enforcement arm without creating an new department.

If anyone can figure out a way to attack these unfunded government mandates, be advised the 11th DCA is a good circuit to take your fight. (its not the 9th circuit)


34 posted on 01/14/2005 6:39:58 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Liz; Buckhead; Congressman Billybob; Southack; All

Liz, and all thanks.

Ye who I pinged, can you add more to this thread? Let's make this thing snowball and break the ACLU's back. I think $147 MILLION in their foundation is enough.


35 posted on 01/14/2005 6:44:00 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly DEMAND the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts!)
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To: hdrabon

The mentally, morally, and spiritually healthy Americans--those of the Heartland--must seize the initiative and clobber the Left with the facts--including the fact that the recognition of the Creator is the foundation of U.S. law.


36 posted on 01/14/2005 6:44:05 AM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: Liz

The problem is that the legal industry, unlike all other industrys, is exempt from public viewing of its self-policing. If a medical doctor, for example, is brought before the medical board for some supposed misdeed, it gets on the news and we get to watch the process and progress. Not so with complaints brought to the the American, or State, Bar Gang(s).

It doesn't matter the entity, agency, government function, or private practice with which the legal professional is associated. The American public has no access to understanding the investigative functions, etc. If your district court is being investigated by any controlling authority, you may never know about it, or how it was mitigated. HDR


37 posted on 01/14/2005 6:45:06 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: mlc9852

Barely even a starting point, but a starting point nevertheless. HDR


38 posted on 01/14/2005 6:45:54 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Savage Beast

Forget this issues of left, and right, etc. These are what the legal industry hopes we will focus upon as the real problems before us. In light of the wrongs being done to us by the Legal Industry in the name of American Democracy, those of us who have been led to believe that we are on one side or the other, have much more to fear than our philosophical, social, and political differences.

In the long run, the Legal Industry does not care about whether you are on the left or right, as long as you are blindly under its thumb. HDR


39 posted on 01/14/2005 6:50:03 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: mlc9852

I have always had the impression that Mr. Newdow is trying to get revenge on the mother of his daughter via some perverse means. "You take my daughter, I take away god."

I wonder if he gets benefited by this looser gets paid rule.


40 posted on 01/14/2005 6:50:06 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members

Anti-ACLU Page


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


41 posted on 01/14/2005 6:51:21 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


42 posted on 01/14/2005 6:52:02 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777

Thank you SO much for the great information and links!

The ACLU, though, is only the public face of the large problem with America's legal industry.

Ping me as you wish,

HDR


43 posted on 01/14/2005 6:53:04 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: All

A Call To Arms

Why do so many sit aside, holding their anger inside, as activist secular organizations such as the ACLU assault our religious expression? Why do so many do nothing, as activist secular judges rule in favor of these anti-Christian organizations? Why do we stay uninvolved?

We have a constitutional right to express our religion. Don’t allow these groups to take that right away under the disguise of a fictional “Seperation of Church and State” clause, that does not even exist. The answer to the question posed above may lie in the fact that many people don’t know what they can do in order to fight this anti-Christian agenda.

To begin with you can contribute to groups that are already fighting the agenda of these activist organizations. Some of these groups include the ACLJ (www.aclj.org), The Thomas More Law Center (www.thomasmore.org ) , The Alliance Defense Fund (www.alliancedefensefund.org), The Rutherford Institute (www.rutherford.org), and The Stop the ACLU Coalition (www.stoptheaclu.org).

These groups actively fight the ACLU in the court systems. Many think this isn’t enough, because of the activist judges legislating new laws instead of interpreting them. Some want to sue the ACLU for violating their rights, and some want to lobby Congress to amend a now existing law (42 U.S.C., Section 1988, of the United States Code) which allows judges to award attorney fees to plaintiffs in civil-rights cases brought against local governments, thereby putting the taxpayers on the hook and oftentimes funneling public money to the ACLU. They want the law changed so cases involving the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment would not apply. Some want to form an organization to promote the awareness of the already existing organizations fighting the ACLU agenda. And others want to form an organization to counter the ACLU.

The truth is that all of these things need to be done. What it takes is organization, funds, and skills. It needs volunteers. The cause needs lawyers willing to work pro-bono towards suing the ACLU and defending religious liberty against them. It needs people with computer skills to set up websites to promote the cause. It needs people with funds to back the cause. It needs leadership skills and organization from people who care.

In summary, the fight to preserve religious liberty needs to be centralized and focused. We need to make everyone aware of the assault that is taking place around them, and what they can do to stop it. It needs a united front of people who care. It needs a call to arms. I call on all those who care about religious freedom to unite and fight….before its too late. John Stephenson

Contact info: john.stephenson@rs.af.mil


44 posted on 01/14/2005 6:53:05 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Jay777

One more time -- It's more than just religious freedom. Religion/morality/etc. is only one of the battlegrounds between American citizens and the Legal Industry's control of the WHOLE governmental landscape of our country.

We've lost more ground altogether than we ever realized, and it's to those who "facilitate" our property rights, our courts, our interpretation of laws, etc., etc., etc.!

HDR


45 posted on 01/14/2005 6:58:24 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: hdrabon; Liz; Congressman Billybob; Buckhead

"the legal industry, unlike all other industrys, is exempt from public viewing of its self-policing."

Time to trot out yet another of my strategies: How about a campaign for the Popular Barring/Disbarring of Court Officials?

Not just electing judges--let the public vote whether to license/void licenses to practice law. The Constitution doesn't say we have to have an "electoral college" type organization (the bar assns.) for attorneys/jurists.


46 posted on 01/14/2005 6:59:50 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly DEMAND the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts!)
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To: Blurblogger

I'm in. I've been in. Tell me what to do.

HDR


47 posted on 01/14/2005 7:01:51 AM PST by hdrabon (No surprise here!)
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To: Blurblogger

Whoever else has an ACLU ping list...add me. Let me know who you are and I'll add you to mine.


48 posted on 01/14/2005 7:02:19 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: hdrabon

the activist tyrannical judges, lawyers and politicians have anice racket going, don't they?

They write the laws
they enforce the laws
they judge the laws
they collect from the laws

Ever wonder WHY we used to have the part of the Constitution that saud something about the SEPERATION OF POWERS?

No longer - now we have rule by judicial decree and there will be only one way to get our country back from these tyrants.


49 posted on 01/14/2005 7:02:19 AM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: hdrabon

I wonder what would happen if everyone in the nation all at once refused to pay their taxes. :D


50 posted on 01/14/2005 7:03:28 AM PST by Fruitbat
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