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F***ing with Freepers: Sex catapults me to the big time
Creative Loafing (Atlanta) ^ | 1/13/05 | CLIFF BOSTOCK

Posted on 01/14/2005 7:57:27 AM PST by madprof98

Woo hoo! I've made the big time. Last month, the website Free Republic featured a thread about my Nov. 18 column, "Queers Who Don't Act Right." You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic. Free Republic is so far right that wing-nut gay muckraker Matt Drudge and Lucianne Goldberg, one of the architects of the Clinton-Monica Lewinsky brouhaha, both left the site in 1999 because it was too extreme, even for them.

In the years since, the site has become the contemporary version of a marathon meeting of the old John Birch Society and the KKK. Most recently, Free Republic was in the news when John Corsi, one of the Swift Boat Veterans who authored a book attacking John Kerry, turned out to post embarrassingly racist messages there. (Of course, he argued his racist insults were all "a joke." Talk about your Clintonian rhetoric.) The site also was in the news recently because someone correctly posted that Dan Rather had relied on phony documents to impute President Bush's National Guard service.

Free Republic is so extreme that it's a blast to read. Don't bother to explore the site with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts. Your post will simply be deleted, despite its owner's celebration of freedom of speech. The site has no hesitation in reprinting copyrighted material, like my column, even though the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times both successfully sued to stop such theft. In other words, as is generally true of the lunatic far right, the truth, free speech and the law only matter when they support their point of view.

Of course, Freepers, as the creepy wing-nuts on the site are called, were not alone in being outraged by my column. I received quite a lot of mail, mainly from other gay people, questioning my argument that LA Fitness at Ansley Mall overreacted when it closed its sauna because of some occasional sex and reopened it with a new picture window overlooking the locker room. As an update, I might add that the window has effectively eliminated unseen sexual interactions inside the sauna and made room for another, more open form of sex between people on either side of the window: exhibitionism and voyeurism.

Most of my correspondents argued that the occasional discovery of sex in the sauna merited involvement by the police and the health department, reconstruction of the sauna and a report by one of the local TV stations. And, as usual, they concluded that because I called that overreacting, I must favor sex in public spaces. No matter that I said I find the behavior annoying. To be righteous, I must find it -- what? -- criminally actionable.

I wasn't surprised by the reaction. Sex troubles people more than anything. That's why Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob, while Bush was re-elected despite lying about a war that has killed thousands. Gay people's oppression is the result of their sex lives, so it's not surprising that they are hypersensitive to anything that might add to the picture of deviance. But it has become obvious that the very effort to make all deviance disappear and to assimilate -- to marry, for example -- increases prejudice.

The Freepers, of course, took outrage over my column to dizzy heights, fabricating arguments I did not make. This began with the man who posted it, "madpro98." He said that I dismissed "all sexual conventions, including common decency, as so much homophobia." Actually, I wrote no such thing. Then, of course, the Freepers concluded that the case of LA Fitness means every gay man is a sauna whore. For example, "Sender" writes: "Does anyone else think it's strange that gay men often have sex in a public toilet stall? ... Even if we had unisex public restrooms, somehow I can't imagine a man and a woman eyeing one another while washing their hands, then just jumping in the stall for a go."

The writer obviously has never been to Buckhead on a Saturday night. But what cracks me up is that the Freepers are so anxious to bash someone like me that they don't even realize when they are supporting a contrary argument. For example, "buffyt" quoted my statement that I don't like "stumbling upon any sex scene to which I have not been invited." Then she riffed obsessively about heterosexual couples at Mardi Gras "coupling all over the place" while the police ignore them. Exactly. Heterosexuals spoil the view with public sexual interactions every bit as much as homosexuals, arguably more, when they can find a place to do it. Nobody followed up on that post, of course.

I'm not going to quote the mind-boggling illogics and endless sophomoric fag-bashing (despite arguing they aren't homophobic). But I will thank "Jack Black," who wrote: "I think this was very well written. He is writing for the audience of radical homosexuals as one, so I have trouble twisting my thoughts enough to get to his point of view, but I still think the writing is good." Kiss me, dude!

Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology. Write him at cliff.bostock@ creativeloafing.com.


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To: null and void

Your right I am real comfortable with it.


121 posted on 01/14/2005 8:24:22 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Saberwielder

In the words of Sideshow Bob, "Eeeeugh!" (with shutter).


123 posted on 01/14/2005 8:24:37 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Paradox
He is right about a few things, there ARE some whacko's here, and there are some threads that are embarrasing.

That's the problem. The Lefters and DU'rs will compile as long a list they can of these and hold them up to the world to show how "nuts" we are. They will do anything to find even the smallest trace of hypocracy or extremism and formulat propaganda around that incident. It's how they play politics, too. Any forum has a broad spectrum of posters and there will be extremes at either end in any given one. On the other hand, we could make a longer list of the juvenile whining on the DU, but my sock drawers neds organizing.

124 posted on 01/14/2005 8:24:59 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: DainBramage

OMG - ROTFLMAO


125 posted on 01/14/2005 8:25:28 AM PST by colorcountry (If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you.......)
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To: hiredhand
At your service

Mr. Bostock,


126 posted on 01/14/2005 8:25:32 AM PST by Saberwielder
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To: madprof98

Brain Damage


The lunatic is on the grass.
The lunatic is on the grass.
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.
Got to keep the loonies on the path.

The lunatic is in the hall.
The lunatics are in my hall.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more.

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

The lunatic is in my head.
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane.
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me.

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

"I can't think of anything to say except...
I think it's marvelous! HaHaHa!"


127 posted on 01/14/2005 8:25:40 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: madprof98

at least he realizes FR is "big time".


128 posted on 01/14/2005 8:26:13 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: drt1

"Geepers, Creepers, where'd you get those FReepers!?"


129 posted on 01/14/2005 8:26:16 AM PST by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: newsgatherer
"Homophobic is the fear of homosexuals"

I say that every time some mentions 'homophobia'. I may not approve of their lifestyle, or support their agenda, but I certainly do not 'fear' them. This term goes into the newspeak dictionary somewhere ahead of 'right to choose' as an attempt to change people's thought process.

131 posted on 01/14/2005 8:26:39 AM PST by SCALEMAN (Super Cards/Rams Fan)
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To: madprof98

Okay, I'll cop to "wing-nut", but "creepy"?


132 posted on 01/14/2005 8:27:20 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: madprof98
You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic.

I thought it was 'no name calling' week?

133 posted on 01/14/2005 8:27:24 AM PST by Terriergal (...the fool has said in his heart 'there is no God')
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What was Corsi's handle here on FR?

On another subject, I don't remember Lucienne leaving because FR was too extreme. She and Jonathan started their own BBS (with links to FR) at the time. I do recall that she was involved in some very acrimonious flame wars right before she left, but it escapes my now senior memory as to who the two primary libs were that she was battling with.
134 posted on 01/14/2005 8:27:42 AM PST by enigma825
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To: madprof98
What where the Swifty comments that where so racist? I was lurking here around then, but don't remember anything like that. Anyone know??

I also love the fact that this member of a "special class" feels free to call Drudge gay as an insult. Which since it is right next to wing nut, is clearly meant to be degrading to Drudge. Yet would probably call us racist homophobes for doing the same

Gotta love hippie hypocrisy
135 posted on 01/14/2005 8:27:54 AM PST by Wisconsin155 (newbie)
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To: madprof98
Your post will simply be deleted, despite its owner's celebration of freedom of speech.

The owner has stated that he will delete as needed, preserving his site for the furtherance of his vision of conservatism. Free speech doesn't rule at FR, never has, and Jim Robinson never promised free speech.

This doesn't conflict with celebrating free speech in society overall.

136 posted on 01/14/2005 8:29:05 AM PST by secretagent
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To: madprof98

Man, do I need some popcorn for this one...


137 posted on 01/14/2005 8:29:26 AM PST by Maigrey (Ask my Viking Kitty Hoard about their diet of Free Range Tuna..... and Freerange Sumoo Sushi)
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To: TheForceOfOne

Hey, I always loved that song. Now I know who it was about. Thanks for the info!!


138 posted on 01/14/2005 8:29:28 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: madprof98

You get the idea this guy is just another angry, bitter homosexual?


139 posted on 01/14/2005 8:29:33 AM PST by Houmatt (Thank you, Terri, for showing me I had a heart. Because you broke it.)
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To: madprof98
"Queers who don't act right: Of gay sex, marriage and the sauna,"

That guy did it now.... descration of the sauna is a capitol offense.

140 posted on 01/14/2005 8:29:45 AM PST by Terriergal (...the fool has said in his heart 'there is no God')
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