Islamic cleric urges all Muslims to reject terrorism(One of the most influential clerics speaks out)

I'm sorry .. but it's clear to me - it does.

Some of the leaders of Saudi have been supporting terrorism for years. There is a movement within Saudi to take the kings down .. so either the kings clean their own house, or their homegrown radicals will.

"For goodness sakes, they're killing more of each other in Iraq than Americans."

Right on! And this is something I sincerely hope the people of Iraq, and the broader Muslim world, realizes before they blame the west for all of their troubles.

This is a MAJOR MAJOR step forward.

We discussed this on one of the Iraqi blogs a few months ago. The terrorists have been misusing the term infidel and non-believer to mean anyone who was not a Muslim, even to the point of saying some Muslims were not pure enough and were infidels as well. I learned that the term infidel was coined to identify the "unfaithful" those who do not believe in God. By the same token, a Christian or a Jew are NOT non-believers. The belief is in God.

The terrorists are cherry picking sentences in the Koran to justify murder. Only the Muslim clerics and scholars can fix this.

We can't be blamed for being skeptical, it HAS been an awful long wakeup call.

You know all those terrorists we've been killing? Well, it looks like the knives they've been holding at the moderate's throats are finally beginning to fall away.

I agree that the Bush doctrine should apply, but the reality is, they are our "allies." Our national interests (yes, which include oil) simply don't allow the universal application of the Bush doctrine (for one we just don't have the manpower to do it). Otherwise, the axis of evil would have been a longer list. Moreover, we will simply need to be careful with how we go about engaging and changing the home of Mecca and Medina, just as a matter of protecting our interests in the region. That's just the sad truth.

Yep. They'll complain that none will speak out against terrorism, and then attack any one that does stick his neck out.

I never said it doen't happen in the west, in fact, I was referring to Muslim populations in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and other non-arab countries. And there are Muslims in those states that advocate sharia as well, but there are also many that suggest that islam and politics should be kept separate, and that sharia has no place in the state-centered polity. All I am saying is that suggesting that sharia goes hand-in-hand with islam isn't correct.

the Old Testament doesn't have outdated and some hateful speech......sure it does

Your attempt at moral relativism falls far short of the truth. The OT has very few calls to violence and are always specific against a few specific situations or specific times that will not occur again.

The "holy" Koran, on the other hand, is riddled with blanket calls for ruthless murder of everyone who is not a Muslim.

There is NO COMPARISON. Don't let the appeasers, apologists, propagandists and liars lull you to sleep for an easier kill.

Those mosques that fund terrorism are prosecutable under RICO.

Several Islamic so-called "charities" have been shut down and their officers indicted, since September 11th 2001, for funneling money to terrorists.

That is not a problem. Indeed, it is a Good Thing.

The serious proposals bandied about by some posters here, though, of making Islam illegal in the United States, and of "invading their countries, killing their leaders, and converting them to Christianity" overseas, however, are unacceptable.

ping

The terrorists are cherry picking sentences in the Koran to justify murder.

To use your analogy, The Koran is a huge bowl of cherries with about two or three blueberries in there to throw into the eyes of infidels. "It helps to lull them to sleep for an easier kill."

I have read the "holy" Tome of Terror. You ought to give it a shot.

Ma'a salama!

I'll bet this was the version broadcast in English.

The version broadcast in Arabic is probably different.

And of course the problem is "Definitional";
In that "civilians" is in the eyes of the beholder;
Like the group "Israelis" may not contain "Civilians".

or those who "Attacked Islam" such as the USA.. are valid targets.. home and abroad.

"Suicide" bombing is illegal in Islam.. BUT ... "Martyrdom" is Glorious.

Hmmm... You are one who sees through the Koranic "virtue" of lying. Keep up the good work, my friend. Keep exposing The Throat Slitters of Peace.

That is a common problem. You are right on in bringing it up.

From a different article:

Saudi Arabia’s King Fahd and Crown Prince Abdullah, in a joint speech, urged Muslims to shun terrorism which they said meant “warring against God and his Prophet,” to follow Islam’s teachings of moderation and forgiveness and to unite.

Just because you hear a Muslim condemn "terrorism," you have to ask him/her what the word means. This is how they can say there are no Muslim terrorists or that terrorism is against Islam--because by the definition they use, terrorism is always against Islam; any violence in favor of Islam is not counted as terrorism.

Yes, so is the old testament.

And who is arguing against that?

Nazism is illegal in Germany, it is not a crime in America. Neither is communism, anarchism, or Islamofascism although all three preach sedition.

There have been periods in American history when there have been laws against sedition but they are repealed when the threat has passed.

Interesting little defense mechanism in Islam; when a nation prohibits the exercise of the faith, all Imam agree that is the clear sign that physical holy war/jihad may be waged against a country.

MEMRI compilation of remarks from Al Sudais:

His sermons hold significant weight throughout the Islamic world.

The themes of his sermons are characterized by confrontation toward non-Muslims. Mr. al-Sudayyis calls Jews “scum of the earth” and “monkeys and pigs” who should be “annihilated.”

Other enemies of Islam, he says, are “worshippers of the cross” and “idolworshipping Hindus” who should be fought. Mr. al-Sudayyis has been consistent in calling for jihad in Kashmir and Chechnya, for Jerusalem to be liberated, and for the “occupiers in Iraq” to also be fought. He often claims that Islam is superior to Western culture.

At the Grand Mosque in Mecca on February 1, 2004, Mr. al-Sudayyis called on Muslims everywhere to unite to defeat the world’s occupiers and oppressors.

“History has never known a cause in which our religious principles, historical rights, and past glories are so clearly challenged…The conflict between us and the Jews is one of creed, identity, and existence.”

He told those listening to “read history,” in order “to know that yesterday’s Jews were bad predecessors and today’s Jews are worse successors. They are killers of prophets and the scum of the earth. Allah hurled his curses and indignation on them and made them monkeys and pigs and worshippers of tyrants. These are the Jews, a continuous lineage of meanness, cunning, obstinacy, tyranny, evil, and corruption…”

Mr. al-Sudayyis elaborated on the conflict between Muslims and Jews: “O Muslims, the Islamic nation today is at the peak of conflict with the enemies of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, with the grandsons of Bani-Quraydah, al-Nadhir, and Qaynuqa’ [Jewish tribes in the early days of Islam]. May Allah’s curses follow them until the Day of Judgment.”

“The nation must know that these are people with a disgraceful history and a black record… They want to establish the Greater Israel with Jerusalem as its capital. They also aspire to demolish the Al-Aqsa Mosque and build their alleged temple in its place. They want to liquidate the State of Islam and the Koran, and build the State of the Torah and Talmud on its debris. They will get what they deserve from Allah…

“Our Al-Aqsa is crying out saying all mosques have been liberated, while I — a great holy mosque — am still being desecrated. Is the aspiration of over 1 billion Muslims to preserve their holy places [to be] considered savagery and terrorism? What a great lie, O Allah, O steadfast brothers in struggler and steadfast Palestine, the land of honor, loftiness, sacrifice, jihad, and bravery. The captivity of our Al-Aqsa in the hands of the tyrants makes us sleepless. May Allah please us with its liberation.Victory is coming soon, Allah willing.”

“...Here are the flags of victory looming on the horizon. We can smell it. It is crowned by a brave jihad, an intifada, which is still the winning card and the lit candle in the hands of the devout sons of this nation…O nation of jihad and sacrifice, it is the duty of Muslims to support their brothers in creed in Palestine and elsewhere and to back them with material and moral support. Jihad with money sometimes supersedes jihad with soul, as mentioned in many Koranic verses and the prophet’s traditions.”

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