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Liars, Lying Liars, and Harry Reid
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 5 February 2005 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 02/03/2005 6:06:36 PM PST by Congressman Billybob

I’ve never before used a long quote from anyone who has, in Dave Barry’s words, the IQ of a kumquat. But there are exceptions to every rule.

The following appeared on an exceptionally paranoid website known as the Democratic Underground. See for yourselves that this quote is typical of DU.

"The Iraq vote is making me sick this morning

"All the media keeps talking about is how happy the Iraqis are, how high turnout was, and how ‘freedom’ has spread to Iraq. I had to turn off CNN because they kept focusing on the so-called ‘voters’ and barely mentioned the resistance movements at all. Where are the freedom fighters today? Are their voices silenced because some American puppets cast a few ballots?

“I can't believe the Iraqis are buying into this ‘democracy’ bullsh*t. They have to know that the Americans don't want them to have power, because they know that Bush is in this for the oil, and now that he finally has it he's not going to let it go. This election is a charade. The fact is that the Iraqis have suffered during the past two years more than any people on earth at the hands of the American gestapo. Maybe they're afraid and felt they had to vote. That's the only way I can explain it to myself.

“OR... maybe they're smiling because they're using the Americans own game to defeat them. They're voting in candidates who they know will widen the resistance, take the fight to the streets, and finally drive the occupying forces out of their country. Perhaps they're smiling because--right under the American's noses--they're planting the seeds of a bigger and more effective resistance movement....

“... if the Iraq vote is seen as a success that spread ‘freedom’--the world is screwed. Bush's inaugural speech left little doubt that he has other countries on his list to spread ‘freedom’ to. They will be his next targets, and the world will burn because of it.

“Let's hope the resistance got voted in, or if not, they only increase the fight and take down those who betrayed their country today by voting in this fraud election.”

The scary part is that there are maybe a few million Americans who are just this ignorant about American ideas about government. There are hints of this aggressive ignorance in comments by Senator Ted Kennedy before the Iraqi vote. And in the comments made by Senator John Kerry the day AFTER that extraordinary vote.

Have these people never read Aristotle, John Locke, Montesquieu, Thomas Jefferson, or Abraham Lincoln? Dictatorships are the most common government in history and are still a majority of the United Nations. But do these Democrats really think human beings prefer to live under dictatorships, rather than have elections and a free press?

The political future of the human race does not lie in dictatorships, religious or secular. Neither does the future of transportation lie in better horses. Nor the future of communications lie in words printed on paper. Add your own examples, ad nauseam.

While we’re talking about boneheaded foolishness, let’s look at Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid. In his Democrat rebuttal to the President’s State of the Union, he talked about the “one trillion dollars in additional debt” for the “initial costs” of the Bush plan to save Social Security.

Now, the President’s plan will include the sale of US bonds to make up for the changeover, when younger workers choose to put a some retirement contributions into private accounts, rather than into the Social Security. But is this “additional debt”?

The citizens are already alive, who will eventually receive Social Security. The law which defines their benefits are already on the books. Based on anticipated life spans, it adds up to at least $10 billion dollars. That unfunded liability IS THERE, TODAY.

So the bonds for the changeover do not represent “new” debt. Even Harry Reid is not dumb enough to miss this point. So I conclude that he, and others peddling the “new debt” claim, are bald-faced liars.

While we’re taking about Harry Reid’s lies, add this. Today, he claims that allowing younger workers to put some of their money into private accounts will “destroy” the system. But on Fox News Sunday, on 14 February, 1999, Reid said “Most of us have no problem with taking a small amount of the social security proceeds and putting them into the private sector.”

Either Harry (“My father was a hard-rock miner in Search Light”) Reid was lying then, or he is lying now. He should pick one and explain the other.

About the Author: John Armor is a First Amendment attorney and author who lives in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina. CongressmanBillybob@earthlink.net


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KEYWORDS: aristotle; davebarry; demresponse; dictatorships; du; harryreid; iraqivote; reid; resistencefighters; socialsecurity; sotu
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These are already lively issues on FreeRepublic. This is my contribution to the public debate.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 02/03/2005 6:06:39 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: PJ-Comix
PJ,

Here's my latest weekly column. As I told you early in the week, your fine work in turning over wet rocks and DU and presenting what scurries out, was the inspiration for me. And it logically segued from DU to Harry Reid. LOL.

Feel free to ping this out to your loyal readers.

John / Billybob
2 posted on 02/03/2005 6:11:11 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Well done. Always appreciate your insight.


3 posted on 02/03/2005 6:11:56 PM PST by pharmamom ("You treat that cat better than you treat me." - the husband)
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To: Congressman Billybob
it adds up to at least $10 billion dollars

Don't you mean $10 trillion?

4 posted on 02/03/2005 6:11:59 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Congressman Billybob

Did Harry Reid mention that he grew up in Searchlight, Nevada?

He should have done something like that.


5 posted on 02/03/2005 6:12:11 PM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Congressman Billybob

BTTT. As usual, great column (though the typical DUmmie has the IQ of the average pebble, not the smarter kumquat).


6 posted on 02/03/2005 6:15:00 PM PST by steveegg (The secret goal of lieberals - to ensure that no future generation can possibly equal theirs.)
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To: PMCarey
You are absolutely right.

Sending correction to my publishers, even as we speak.

John / Billybob
7 posted on 02/03/2005 6:15:08 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

He said his mother was a sk8t3r who told him she wanted to be a little boy with a washboard under his arm at a lighthouse with a cafe. Or something.


8 posted on 02/03/2005 6:16:03 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Excellent post except I think you misplaced a decimal point. Isn't it 10 trillion instead of 10 billion?


9 posted on 02/03/2005 6:16:21 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: Congressman Billybob

The fact is the Democrats say the private accounts would take money 'out of' social security. Not true, the private accounts will be the new social security system. The money, apparently, will only be taken 'out of' the hands of Congress who spends it and turns it into debt.


10 posted on 02/03/2005 6:17:59 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Make sure you catch the repeat of Special Report on Fox tonight. Said to have the quote by Reid and one by FDR from the 1930's saying the system should have private accounts.

Also, it has tape of Kennedy's afternoon rant against the Iraqis. If I find a thread on it, I'll link it here.

11 posted on 02/03/2005 6:20:12 PM PST by CedarDave (Democrats don't speak -- they rant!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

And a great contribution is is! Thanks Billybob!!


12 posted on 02/03/2005 6:22:33 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: CedarDave
Thanks. I was on the Roosevelt/Reid SS thread. I chose to use the Reid one, but left the FDR one out.

Also, I chose not to further attack the human zipcode, Ted Kennedy, in this column. He has it coming, as always. But one cannot attack all targets of opportunity in 750 words.

John / Billybob
13 posted on 02/03/2005 6:24:35 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I think Harry Reid is saying whatever Nancy Bellicose-y tells him too.


14 posted on 02/03/2005 6:32:50 PM PST by msnimje
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To: Congressman Billybob
And it logically segued from DU to Harry Reid. LOL.

How do you know that it wasn't Harry?!!!

(C'mon Harry...What's you screenname? ;'}
15 posted on 02/03/2005 6:39:10 PM PST by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Harry Reid on Social Security


Voted NO on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted NO on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted NO on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted NO on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)
by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)


http://activote.ontheissues.org/AVA/Senate/Harry_Reid.htm



Members of Congress are covered under one of four different retirement arrangements, financed through a combination of employee and employer contributions:

• Full coverage under both CSRS and Social Security;
• The "CSRS Offset" plan, which includes both CSRS and Social
Security, but with CSRS contributions and benefits reduced by the amount of their
Social Security contributions and benefits;
• FERS (Federal Employees' Retirement System) plus Social Security; or
• Social Security alone.

Senators and Members of Congress covered by FERS also pay 1.3% of full salary to the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund. Members covered by the CSRS Offset pay 1.8% of the first $87,900 of salary, and 8.0% of salary above this amount, into the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund.

According to the Congressional Research Service (CRS), a nonpartisan department of the Library of Congress, as of October 1, 2002, 411 retired Members of Congress were receiving federal pensions based fully or in part on their congressional service. Of this number, 340 had retired under CSRS and were receiving an average annual pension of $55,788. Seventy-one Members had retired either with service under both CSRS and FERS or with service under FERS only, and their average annual pension was $41,856.

http://reed.senate.gov/socialsecuritymyth.htm




16 posted on 02/03/2005 6:41:05 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: All

I only read a little of the article. I'm wondering if some medicine exists that could ease these DUer's symptoms.


17 posted on 02/03/2005 6:51:04 PM PST by AlienCrossfirePlayer (Time for Roe to go.)
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To: AlienCrossfirePlayer

Laxative and marihuana!


18 posted on 02/03/2005 7:02:19 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (Slava Ukraiini!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

The SS System has grown into nothing more than a SLUSH FUND for the DUMMO'S. That is ready money they can get their hands on whenever they wish and account for it which ever way they choose!


19 posted on 02/03/2005 7:04:19 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Excellent job. Thanks very much!


20 posted on 02/03/2005 7:04:44 PM PST by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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