The Dems' Week From Hell: They're in a hole, and they keep digging.

The Weekly Standard ^ | February 14 / February 21, 2005 | Noemie Emery

[libertarianben]

The LP is not only about ending the WOD. They are for much more than that. Go to www.lp.org to find out if you want.

[Paulus Invictus]

They are in the final circles around the whirlpool, soon to disappear by going down the drain into history's political sewer. Could'nt happen to a more deserving party of leftist losers. Other than that, I have no stronger opinions on the matter.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Bumpity bump!

I think this is hilarious:

As a method of expanding the vote of an ever-shrinking minority party, this tactic stunned some observers, who concluded the scheme had been cooked up by Karl Rove.

Yep, Karl Rove did it.

I'm watching the Super Bowl. Hope you're having a nice evening.

[okie01]

The war on drugs is a failure much like alcohol prohibition was.

So, what? That doesn't address my point.

So long as the signature issue of the Libertarian Party is the legalization of drugs, they're going nowhere.

If the party wants to have any positive influence in American political affairs it will have to stand for much more than legal weed.

[esoxmagnum]

I never assumed you were a junkie, don't care if you are. I'm talking to ALL drug addicts and users, period.

Telling me that I look stupid because I want to protect my family from such drug users sounds sooo, ummm, Democratic, and it sounds like a debate I would hear over at DU.

Yes, the freedoms of OTHERS and the safety of OTHERS always trumps your own in this nation. You DO NOT have the right to burn down buildings full of people. You DO NOT have the freedom to drive drunk. You DO NOT have the freedom to burn tires in your own back yard if you are in an urban area.

So long as drug users cause society costs (moral costs and financial costs) I will be opposed to its legalization. Don't even argue back about the poor old grandma with glaucoma or cancer, because Lord knows 99 out of 100 of these medical headshops is NOT in the business of dispensing medical care.

Incidentally, I am NOT against smoking or drinking, but I am for laws that prohibit those people who have died from smoking to receive any sort of government aid, I am against anyone with a liver destroyed from years of alcohol abuse from every being put on an organ donor waiting list, while children still need livers.

For cripes sake, we even have people in prison with life convictions getting these organs, on the guv'ment dime while your average person cannot.

If you my friend is what libertarian represents, then I'm afraid that your me me me me me attitude is of the same ilk and cut as the rest of the trash that I see walking around DC with their protest signs.

And finally (I hate to start a sentence with the word and), don't assume the person you are talking to is NOT a drug addict or alcoholic, because my friend, I am formerly BOTH, and have the experience to testify to the damage that both can cause you and your family. It is a life that I am deeply ashamed of, and at the same time, I will fight tooth and nail to do my part, to prevent drugs and alcohol from ever creeping into the lives of my children, or any other child out there.

That is not just my right, but as a former addict, that is my OBLIGATION to my nation and to God Almighty.

[Northern Yankee]

Hey there...

Busy day here... Had to usher for Mass last night, which gave me time to take wood over to my mom's this morning for her fireplace.

Attended a wake this afternoon for a colleague, who's mom passed away.

Just finished watching the Super Bowl at home. I think the Eagles need to work on time management.

Heard on FOX News the interview with VP Dick Cheney while driving to the wake. Sure am glad he's our VP then the other fellow.

Have a great week at school.

[libertarianben]

I cannot stand the democratic party or what I like to call them the American Socialist Party and most of what they stand for. Why is it that if someone god forbid disagrees with a fellow freeper that they are considered a troll of DU? I didn't say you have the right to drive drunk or high. No one does. I said that people have the right to abuse their own body as long as they don't interfere with someone's rights or safety. Driving a car drunk or high does endangers ones safety. That why it should remain illegal. Alcohol causes more death than pot, why don't you try banning that? That's right they tried. It was a failure. Fatty foods cause people to become fat and all the health risk that go with that. Government should be more concern with violent crime (rape, murder) than non-violent crime (gambling, wearing seat belts, possession of drugs).

[libertarianben]

They do. Read about them before making a snap judgement. You might find out we have some agreements.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

[okie01]

They do. Read about them before making a snap judgement.

That's my point, don't you see? Irrespective of what might be on the party's website, in the public eye, the Libertarian Party stands for one thing and one thing only: drug legalization.

It's the only issue that the party leadership and its more vocal membership really seem to care about.

[ozzymandus]

Personally, I hope they never learn a thing. I look forward to lots of RAT politicians supporting pseudo-Indian and pseudo-revolutionary ward churchill.

[NoCmpromiz]

That is not just my right, but as a former addict, that is my OBLIGATION to my nation and to God Almighty.

And as a former alcoholic I agree.

[esoxmagnum]

Justifying one bad action with another doesn't wash.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

[libertarianben]

There is no point in debating you. You mind is too closed. I'm a member of the LP and know what they stand for. I agree with most, disagree on some.

[libertarianben]

I not saying do drugs. I'm saying government should stay out of people's personal lifes. If a person wants to abuse their body they can as long as they does mess with anothers rights.

[okie01]

There is no point in debating you. You mind is too closed.

Please, don't take it personally. I'm not debating you. Nor am I questioning your beliefs. Nor what is expressed on the LP website.

I'm explaining what the LP has come to stand for in the public mind (not in my mind, note, but in the public mind). It is perceived as a one-issue party that favors legalization of drugs. Ask a hundred people what the LP stands for and a.) ninety of them will never have heard of it, while b.) nine of the remaining ten will respond "drug legalization".

The one-in-a-hundred remaining in the sample is a member of the party, like you, who knows better. Do you not see the problem the party confronts?

[libertarianben]

Of course, not many people have heard of the LP. The media rarely covers them or at least in great detail. They don't have the money and network of the Republican or Democratic parties. They are the third largest party and with over 600 people elected in public office. Much more than the other "third parties". If some ignorant people only think of the Libertarians as anti-government people who want to smoke crack, then it's their fault for not doing their homework.That's like me saying "The Republicans only care for cutting rich people taxes" or other such nonsense.

[okie01]

If some ignorant people only think of the Libertarians as anti-government people who want to smoke crack, then it's their fault for not doing their homework.

Actually, it's not up to the voters to do their homework, anymore than it's up to the consumers to research their brand of pancake mix. Instead, it is up to the parties to sell themselves.

And that is where the LP is falling short.

[John Lenin]

They are funding their own downfall with TeR Ray Za, who is funding all the radical groups in the US. Isn't it sweet ?

[libertarianben]

Hard to sell yourself when you don't have the money like the two major parties have. Both try to get other parties off the ballots.