Susan Lawrence founded Stop the Rod after she found one advertised in Home School Digest.
Susan Lawrence founded Stop the Rod after she found one advertised in Home School Digest.
Why is it that people with calm, compliant children want to force their parenting methods on people who have more challenging children?
Considering that when He returns, it will be with a rod of iron, YES.
Considering that He said, "I come not to change on jot of The Law..."; and condsidering what The Law had to say about punishment, YES.
Gee, this should help stop Christian bashing. Let`s comes across as radical Muslims. On the other hand it probably will help considering how liberals treat radical Muslims.
I figure that IF a slap needs to be administered, an open hand is sufficient, and only once at a time, for children under five. After that age, spanking tends to be counterproductive for most children (then again I don't have a hellion on my hands).
It was accepted by society until Dr. Spoke and his books on raising children permissively came out.
It was accepted by society until Dr. Spoke and his books on raising children permissivly came out.
Lay you odds her "Jesus" won't send anyone to Hell, either.
Dan
re the "christians" who think spanking should be banned... there are plenty of "christians" who think abortions are ok too.. just because you call yourself something doesn't make it so.
As a generation, the boomers haven't shown many ill effects from widespread use of corporal punishment. Among my peers who grew up in the seventies/eighties, I see lots of damage from the effects of divorce, but none from having been spanked by loving parents.
There are many children who would rarely, if ever, need a spanking, and there are others who need it regularly in order to develop self-control and respect for limits. Outlawing spanking would further damage the already threatened parent-child relationship in our society. I think it would encourage a lot of parents to give up on parenting entirely. I shudder for the children of the Yuppie parents who plainly have done just that.
WHAT JESUS DID:
John 2:14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
I was raised with hairbrushes, yardsticks, branches, belts, whatever was handy...and indeed I smacked my children's chubby little thighs from time to time, namely when the child's disobedience presented an immediate danger (ie, trying to run away from me in a parking lot) or when the child's in-your-face defiance demanded immediate correction. I did not like to do it...and there's always a risk of harm when an angry adult reaches for a child. Even in "formal spankings" I never used anything besides my bare hand, but even so, it felt terrible to both of us and rarely resolved anything.
Once my kids reached an age of better comprehension, hitting seemed a very poor way to deal with whatever the problem was. My kids are strong-willed, and spanking was tempting...but I knew there would be a time when they would be too large and strong to punish physically. If I was ruling by fear up to that point, my arsenal would be empty when that confrontation came. I also knew that most schools don't permit corporal punishment (a discussion for another thread) and that the kids whose parents relied primarily on spanking to "control" their kids created little monsters for their teachers.
Spanking didn't make me a better-behaved child...it just made me sneakier. I also felt I could not talk to my parents about my mistakes or ask questions that might make them angry enough to hit me. I also remember that my paramount emotion while my bottom was smarting after a spanking was not "remorse" or "resolve to do better" but "rage" and, when punished unfairly, 'hate"..
By contrast, there are a LOT of teachable moments that come about because my kids know they can talk to me and even confess without fear. They know there will be discipline involved, but they don't have to be afraid of "what I might do to them". Sure, they may still "hate" me from time to time, but I hope that burning rage is never from my striking them and them desperately wanting to hit me back.
Making a choice not to spank doesn't automatically make me "permissive"...just as I would hesitate to call corporal punishment by most parents "abusive". In my own experience, however, other methods of discipline have proven more effective than spanking...and foster good communication instead of vengeful silence. As a side-note, it's interesting to me that nearly identical discussions occur on the dog training forum I read. Most agree that there are better ways to train a dog than striking the dog and most roundly criticize those who confess to hitting their dogs...And yet I can't count how many times I've seen dog owners at the park using the less effective, but "more humane" collars out of fear that they'll hurt their precious doggies who then turn to and smack their kids repeatedly for some minor infraction.
It sickens me to watch some of the things people do to their children in the name of discipline in public. I can't help but wonder if they behave with so little restraint in public, how do they behave behind closed doors? It's ugly and it doesn't really work. And I think the use of plastic rods and special paddles is obscene.
obscene: 1 : disgusting to the senses : REPULSIVE 2. a : repulsive by reason of crass disregard of moral or ethical principles b : so excessive as to be offensive
Usually, only the threat is needed with a normal kid. Some kids do not respond to physical discipline at all, and no kid is the same.
Parenting is a art. That is for sure.
I'm all for corporal punishment, got it then and give it now, but that rod looks a little excessive.
I can't imagine Mohammed using one either. You can't slit a throat or decapitate someone.
I think if parents are going to be using corporal punishment, that rod is a terrific idea.
It's meant to provide a sting but not a bruise.
Of course, I overlooked where this story comes from - SanFagcisco. Those freaks out there only support paddling when it's in conjunction with chains, leather, and same-sex "partners".
When applied properly, spanking can be an effective method of correction for some young children.
I was spanked, but only rarely and as a young child. I think the threat of a spanking was more effective than the actual act. My mom says that the number of times I was spanked could be counted on one hand. I believe the last time I was spanked was when I was 5 or 6. And it was harder on my parents than it was on me!
Spanking was not effective for my brother - redirection when young and timeouts when older were best. He was more of a discipline challenge than I was, being a boy...but eventually mom and dad found methods that worked. He's quite a disciplined and responsible adult (active duty military), so I'd say they did a good job without spanking in his case.
I don't have a problem with parents who choose to spank, but when I have children I doubt I'll do it unless absolutely necessary. There are other discipline techniques that don't involve hitting. As it is I have a bit of a hot temper when I'm upset, and I don't know if I could trust myself to spank judiciously.
A distant relative continued to spank his children well into their teens. There was something very disturbing about seeing him take his 15 year old daughter, pull her pants down (!), and swat her bare rear for what I'd consider a very minor offense.
What's wrong with parents' hands??
LOL! My 1st or 2nd grade public school teacher had a large wooden paddle with the word "CANDY" drilled out. Don't have any recollection of it ever being used though.