I can't imagine Mohammed using one either. You can't slit a throat or decapitate someone.
Posted on 02/06/2005 4:18:14 PM PST by SmithL
Arlington, Mass. -- To raise a child, one needs three invaluable allies: the Bible, the help of an extended family and "biblical-based resources" -- 9-inch-long spanking paddles of blue polyurethane, according to Steve Haymond from Bakersfield, who sells the paddles online for $6.50 apiece.
Twyla Bullock, in Eufaula, Okla., swears by the Rod -- a 22-inch, $5 white nylon whipping stick her husband designed and produced until recently. Named after the biblical "rod of correction," the Rod provides "a faith-based way to discipline children ... and train them as Christians," Bullock explains.
Susan Lawrence, a devout Lutheran from Arlington, Mass., is appalled.
"Christians are supposed to listen to Jesus," Lawrence said, bringing the Rod down with a thump on the seat of her living room futon and looking at the resulting dent with incredulity. "Can you imagine Jesus teaching to use the Rod?"
Corporal punishment has long been an accepted method of child discipline among evangelical and fundamentalist groups, but an increasing number of Christians are raising objections, arguing that advocates of spanking wrongly cite Scripture to justify a practice that should be banned. Lawrence, who peppers her conversation with quotes from the New Testament, says striking children defies the Golden Rule from the Gospel of Matthew: "In everything do to others as you would have them do to you."
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Horse manure!
Parenting requires many different tools. You can never take any of them off the table.
Done properly, there is nothing immoral about it, and you ignore this tool to you and your child's peril.
There is a big difference between a spanking and a beating. And I agree that spankings are for little children. Older ones get limits, and it works if they know that you mean it and stick to it.
I can't believe all these sadists around here. My parents beat the snot out of me for every deed or misdeed. By my teens I was in full rebellion and hated both of them.
We never laid a hand on our kids. They are all grown, paired off well, and excellent people. My wife and I stopped alcoholism and child abuse in one generation and are darned proud of it. This "whack em, hit em, beat em" crap is so much hogwash.
You clearly didn't have a young child who was like me.
There are natural consequences to bad behavior. For example, what would happen if a cop pulled you over and you told him to "go F himself"
and he told you to get out of the car and you said no
Eventually your going to get whacked with the club.
There is a distinction between discipline and punishment. It seems your sister-in-law doesn't know what it is.
If this thread holds true there will be not one post asking a non-beater how well their methods worked and what techniques they used.
well, put bluntly: your parents were abusive fools.
there were exactly two rules in my parents' house which entailed beltwhipping for violations:
1. You will not lie
2. You will not steal
all punishments were served COLD. No anger involved (though the appearance of anger was sometimes needed).
I and my siblings turned out quite well, thank you.
"Use corporal punishment, but only do so rarely, else it will lose its effectiveness."
Exactly. What worked for me were my mom's THREATS to spank me. She rarely needed to, but I understood that she would, if pressed. If such things were outlawed, such threats wouldn't work too well.
What's more, she often combined the combined the threat with humiliation, too - "Do you want me to pull your pants down and spank you right here in public?" - in such a way that would gall any touchy-feely, self-esteem types - but it was 100% effective.
Not if they've been brought up correctly.
After we were sure that we were under control, we asked the child to come into a quiet room. We explained what the child had done to deserve discipline. We showed them how their disobedience violated one of God's commandments. The child had an opportunity to apologize. Then we administered the spanking in a very dispassionate manner. After we were finished, we would comfort and hug the child, showing that the offense was forgiven and forgotten.
It was all very sweet. The children were always happy and cheerful for the rest of the day.
Spankings should be orchestrated for effect.
The parent should never do this while angry. My favorite method was to schedule it like a execution. Set the time and place. Make the kid consider the the error of his ways for several hours.
Sometimes, they can be pretty convincing when asking for a pardon. If they are, I would often put them on probation. It worked well in most cases.
As to age, I don't recall using it much after age 9 or ten. (boys)
The girls usually learn how to avoid such things much earlier.(around 6 or seven)
I raised three, and probably actually delivered three or four actual spankings. (can't really recall..........gettin to old I suppose)
I'm all for corporal punishment, got it then and give it now, but that rod looks a little excessive.
exactly.
my mother had an interesting trick, for those times when we'd start mouthing off in public (as three-somethings often do)
she'd reach across the table...
grip our lower jaws...
squeeze to the point of pain...
drag us face-first across the table...
until we were nose to nose with her...
and then she'd his in the deadliest of whispers: "You can be quiet, or I will give you something to scream about."
I believe my sister needed that "something" only once, and I needed it twice.
needless to say, we did not scream in public for no reason after we got the point.
The important thing: she was never angry, never excessive, and never inflicted hurt without clear cause.
No, they were all boys.
I gather you think you were some kind of bad child. I doubt you started that way.
A parent should never use a hand. Hands are for hugging. It's hard to find a good spanking implement. You want something that will sting, but not bruise or injure. You want something with a long enough handle to allow the parent to get a real swat properly aimed so that it doesn't hit the leg or back. And you want something that is known as the instrument of instruction. We used to put rods in every room of the house so we were prepared to go through our discipline ritual as needed.
I can't imagine Mohammed using one either. You can't slit a throat or decapitate someone.
My aunts told me about my grandfather who would wash their mouths out with soap if they used foul language. He used to say you had something in your mouth that I wouldn't want in my floor and apply the soap to their tongues. It made a definite impression. All those kids turned out great and LOVED my grandfather.
I wasn't bad, I was just impulsive and willfull.
What happened when you told your children to do something and they said no. That had to have happened at least once.
I think if parents are going to be using corporal punishment, that rod is a terrific idea.
It's meant to provide a sting but not a bruise.
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